I always want to say thank you when I get a response on the support tickets, but I also don’t want to reopen it and cause double work by needing them to close it again. I appreciate their hard work to help answer.
But also, sometimes I want to get a peak at what wild stuff comes through there. I am so curious
I ran mostly new titles last year and only felt recon from RoS. Even EoG with out antirecon didn’t feel heavy.
But this year I started with QL1, KB1 and a LB+Ascension Custom (with I AM ATMAN) and felt the recon as soon as I felt the results.
I’m easily irritated and feel it clearly.
@SaintSovereign the support agent ai didnt respond to all the questions. do check #33020 to look at this bug.
I wonder what this will mean for. KB, RoM, RoS 
I remember reading something about going to the original vision.
Could maybe even be the same with EB, C&C and others.
Future of SC is bright.
Just to clarify, it’s not an AI support agent, lol. There’s a human at the helm. It’s AI-assisted. I was demonstrating the system today, missed the last question.
Completed understand and thank you for sharing this with us @SaintSovereign. I will stop being annoying now and I’m really grateful for everything you’ve done for us 
I think also you see less recon in the community because people are now becoming more aware of how to use subs rather then trying to blast themselves with lots of loops thinking that more exposure will equate to faster results.
They are now being more patient and doing less then more.
I fully agree with this. My experience with anti-recon has only been positve. It’s put my own “Anti:R practice” into automation. What previously needed some 20-30minutes of silence is now done automatically throughout the day as I notice my own reactions to stuff.
But there is one thing that is bothering me. - I don’t think recon is a problem anymore, but I also think there is room for one more thing. - This is obviously just ideas. But the same manner that you have “anti-recon” now built into the scripts, is there any chance for an “execution booster”?
Or is that all just dependent on the person making their own progress in regards to the zero-point and their own self-discovery in the archetype of the subs?
I’m specifically ruminating on Michel’s breakthrough on Wanted after 3-4 cycles, compared with Azriel’s and my own experience with HoM/RoW.
The closest I’ve gotten is the socratic method for “positive results” - do you have any ideas or does this spark any ideas on what you/Fire can do within the subs as well?
Yes please 
That’s an interesting take.
Couple of thoughts, slightly different angle, similar conclusion:
[Sorry for the wall of text in advance.]
I used E:E and now use E:E (rebalanced).
At first I had the feeling that E:E brought stronger results than E:E(r), but, reflecting upon it, they are just slightly different in two ways: With E:E (w/o anti-recon) the hurdle to take for results was just higher, so more energy/movement was put into it (while still landing on the same spot) and the results with E:E(r) are, well, more balanced, so while I had happy 14 hour work days on E:E, it’s now 10-12 with quality relaxation. Way more sustainable. As results with antirecon are more natural they often IME don’t feel as striking, because they just don’t stick out (anymore).
That being said, I totally agree with you regarding The Push.
For one: When all the hurdles for growth are lowered already, a strong push (as energetic as Khan oder E:E) would bring us much further on the trajectory. I sometimes feel when there isn’t enough movement forward I just fall back into old structures and habits even though there would be the readiness to move forward, but I don’t know exactly where to. ZP is quite self-referential in a way.
And on a related second note: When I used DR:Regeneration, I chucked out an incredible amount of baggage in a very short time, without any kind of recon. But after a couple of weeks, I felt the “empty spots”. The subconscious was asking like: “And now what?” (More on that: Logbook Through the Starlit Sea (Schedule, Results, Mood & Currents) - #403 by TheGreenMan). And these moments are a big chance for change IMO. Very receptive mind. Very open to new ideas and a lot of movement.
I had an incredibly strong hunger for direct input. Not the self-reflecting ZP input (this is shorthand), but more along classic (Q) sub lines. Sorry, if this is all a bit fuzzy. Kinda difficult to put into words. If this could be brought together, it would be great!
For me most subliminals have broadly 3 phases in their use (similar to the old 4stager concepts):
Stage 1 is healing, Stage 2 is learning to handle your tools, Stage 3 is moving forward.
Just fantasy footballing here, but I would kinda love to see ZPU moving into a direction with 2-3 different subs for the 3 stages. (I know more SKU/subs are bad, but bare with me for a minute.)
Healing is the most poignant aspect: Once you dissolved all the hurdles/wounds/traumata regarding the subs’ topic, well, they are gone. And with the tech from DR:Regeneration they are gone incredibly fast. There isn’t much necessity to keep on listening to the healing scripting.
Let’s say every product line gets a healing title based on DR:Regeneration and the NGAF scripting from WDB:
E. G. EoG: The Golden Spa focussed on all the wealth related problems (wealth ceiling, selfworth etc.) and total relaxation mixed with The Love of Gold. (I suspect mixing total relaxation with a unique aspect will work quite well.) or WANTED with The Mirrored Spa dissolving a bad selfimage and mixing the total relaxation with radical self love etc.
These would be perfect preperation for the actual sub and it wouldn’t take too long. (Would some people skip the warmup and jump right in? Sure they would.) And it would eliminate the danger of the healing taking over the whole stack: It would be organized in cycles, with a time for healing and a time for action.
Learning the tools isn’t as clear cut. For some subs (e. g. the whole RM line) the NSE/learning the tools will IMO always be the most critical aspect. For others… not so much. If you’ve learned to let go with the AoH, you can let go. Or the Daredevil line: One could argue that you will always be able to refine and master social skills even more, to become an even better orator or storyteller but the most important part then is IMO the energy/push/motivation to get out, orate and tell your stories. Then again: With this extra energy/push/motivation you would have more opportunities to learn with the NSE.
This last paragraph isn’t fully thought through. I would love something like an Execution Booster as @Bobby called it, a relentless push forward (wasn’t ZPU originally a union of ZP & Q?) and some RAIKOV scripting in addition to the Zero Point, for more inspiration from others.
Wondering about this also. I’m very curious about how it would play out.
From what I’ve noticed, I still have a bit of those immediate switch with all these new subs, results come in fast and hot. Probably my subconscious gets excited when listening to those new ideas.
Then it kinda slow down, we could say it get’s to a searing coal type of results, which are more discreet and less “in your face”.
I’m not necessarly sure what happens after that, you stay in that zone for few months and realise how much progress you’ve made? You do make progress, but sometime it’s hard to measure exactly how much.
I like the new tech exactly like it is.
Since Regeneration everything is working better, trauma healing and taking action is easier than ever.
Things that kept coming up mentally but didn´t really stick in my core identity are now integrating rapidly and with very little friction. I´ve made more progress, initiated more life changes and took more action on the new tech than during the entirety of 2025.
What do you think about disclosing it in the support page? I think being transparent about the process involving real humans with AI assistance is better than the customer thinking “did my ticket just get answered by AI??”. AI has a distinct way of speaking after all. It would be nice to know that there’s a human behind it.
if I remember correctly，we have a title called Sanguine：Elixir ，which share a same base with the OG Sanguine but with healing script….we know that Regeneration also is really similar to Sanguine ….and Sanguine ：Elixir has not been upgraded yet…when it‘s finally upgraded at one point，how to distinguish it from Regeneration ？ 
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I don’t think that’s necessary. Once the system is complete, these bugs and the such will vanish, since the support agents will be more involved in the ticket response process and you’ll be able to tell. Yesterday was a stress test, where I deliberately limited my own interactions with the system to see how fast and accurately we can answer questions during high demand.
I was able to clear the entire queue, with the only issue being what @oloy pointed out, which was human error – my error. I pulled the ticket, and just forgot to scroll down to see he submitted multiple questions on the same ticket.
By now, you all should know how we operate. MVP model. Minimum viable product, then we run it through cycles and cycles of refinement based on customer feedback. In the phase we’re in right now, we’re ONLY concerned with the quality of the answers, whether the customers are happy with the INFORMATION provided (not methods that we used to produce the information) and equally as important – whether the human support agents are happy.
Don’t worry about that. Go ahead and reopen (or submit another ticket, which is actually easier for us to manage at times, but you can choose) and ask your questions.
You did a great job with my ticket and gave me a good solution
