Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental) (Part 2)

[Malkuth]

@Dark

For those of you running a track solo, would you say it’s more optimal then running 2 at once? Asking in terms of recon, speed of results and ability to stay focused on what you’re running (avoiding shinny object syndrome and FOMO).

It’ll be faster and lighter.

Whether that means ‘better’ is subjective.

But it sounds pretty appealing to me. @Simon has written about some similar ideas in the past. He called it the ‘surgical’ approach vs. the ‘kitchen sink’ approach. (If you search for ‘sink’ or ‘kitchen sink’, you’ll find it.). (EDIT: I think Saint may have first described it as ‘surgical’ and then Simon added in the ‘kitchen sink’ term.)

My own brain tends to work in large 3-5 year plans. For example, I am just now getting to the action point of a plan that I started back in Summer 2020.

So my situation tends to look more like this:

But probably precisely for that reason, I can super-appreciate a situation that looks like this:

[Dark]

Reading through @Simon’s post convinced me to try the surgical approach again, I have trouble with long term planning so I think I’ll be able to optimize my results this way.

Now for another question, would a 2 core, 20 module custom be part of a surgical approach plan?

Here are the modules

Emperor Core
Quantum Limitless ST4 Core
Mosaic
Machine: Action
Productivity Unleashed
The Lines
The Single Point
DEUS
I.Q. and Cognitive Booster
The Streams
Submodel Alpha
Khronos Key
Carpe Diem Ascended
Ultimate Writer
RAIKOV
Omnidimensional
Unlimiter
Unrelenting Wealth Motivation and Energy
Financial Success Reality Shifter
True Sell

[Deadpool]

Damn, this is sick.

[gdbdboy]

Except for the Emperor’s romance scripting , this custom looks sharp as a surgical weapon

[Dark]

In my opinion it’s a bit scattered as I rushed into ordering it without properly finalizing my plan. I’m considering remaking it as I’m not satisfied with all of the modules I included.

[Sub.Zero]

The ‘surgical’ approach is really great provided that you’ve build the necessary foundations and that requires of us the ‘sink’ approach first depending on how many “basic” areas we need to work on to get to the point where our “ultimate” sub may be run successfully. I use the ‘spiral’ approach ( ) so running foundational subs and moving towards my ideal sub narrowing down my ‘transmutation recipe’ when it comes to its ingredients and their power.

Of course, the ‘surgical’ approach is great when it comes to addressing specific issues or goals provided they’re basic (e.x. healing and strengthening our masculinity - GLM) or our level is “good enough” to tackle our main issue or some lofty goal.

I guess many people experience a lot of recon (=healing) because they want to speed up their transmutation process or jump “too high” in their “evolution” whilst patience is the best approach.

I think @Houdini could tell us more about speeding up the transmutation process and not only about that. I you were so kind.

[SaintSpring]

if you run ZP for 13 years, results will not fade away even after 10000 years, lol

[Deadpool]

I am not sure, we have to prove it in real-life experience.

[SaintSpring]

agree. let me run RICH ZP for 13 years straight and I’ll tell you how I do feel after 10000 years.

[Kyuss]

If you used it all the time and didn’t see results you might get money back

[SaintSpring]

and that would be the first result for me if I was super hyper mega ultra hardgainer hahaha

[Lion]

@Dark

For those of you running a track solo, would you say it’s more optimal then running 2 at once? Asking in terms of recon, speed of results and ability to stay focused on what you’re running (avoiding shinny object syndrome and FOMO).

Am only running Ascension right and I have tried running a stack of 2 and 3 titles.

In addition to Ascension being light, the recon for it is barely there and there is more room for a single title to breathe and manifest.

Plus it is easier to know which title is giving you results which allows you to pinpoint and keep track of your progess and hence enhancing your subliminal experience in an easy to undestand way.

Reminds me also of the time I was a tester for WANTED ZP by itself and even then, the results were fast and marvelous (especially the nonchalance and being wanted aspect).

It’s worth running a single title for a month or two. Nothing better than personal experience to see how it feels. Highly recommend.

EDIT: regarding shiny object syndrome, I am over it now after a week of Ascension. Now is it because of Ascension or because of running only a single title? A bit of both.

Since running a single title causes less recon, it could help avoid shiny object syndrome because many times recon does push us to change our stack.

[Dark]

@Lion

Since running a single title causes less recon, it could help avoid shiny object syndrome because many times recon does push us to change our stack.

I think your point about recon might be spot on. Khan and WANTED sound like a great combo to get recon especially if you still have a lot of hang-ups that you haven’t dealt with. I spent a few hours in the sun today, went for a group run where I was able to talk to people, had a crap load of sugary foods, and took a nap. After waking up my mind feels very clear so I can say with confidence that I was going through recon. I’ve decided to drop WANTED for now as I’ll be using it later on down the line in one of my customs, for now, though I’ll be focusing on Khan Solo.

[Billions]

I’ve been thinking a lot, and realized there’s a big hole in the Sub Club titles that I hope will one day be filled.

There is no alpha multi-staged subliminal.

And you might be thinking

What are you talking about, haven’t you ever heard of Khan?

To which I would say,

OF COURSE I’ve heard of Khan, it’s one of the best SEDUCTION subliminals out there!

But what do we have in terms of multi-stagers for someone that wants to be an alpha male???

Mogul has EOG for a multi-stager
Sage Immortal has the Alchemist
Regeneration has Dragon Reborn
Primal Seduction has Khan
Ascension has ???
Chosen has ???

Where’s the multi-stager for someone who wants to put 100% of their focus on MASSIVE transformation in their internal and external status, without the distraction of a title that gets you obsessed with sex.

Maybe the experiences that @SaintSovereign has had making all of these Chosen products titles will culminate in a 4th product in the Chosen line… a multi-staged product that encapsulates the first three programs into one perfect multi-stager and focuses on the ultimate non-romantic alpha multi-stage subliminal? Or perhaps a combination of Ascended and Chosen, both of them pushed to their absolute limits

[Geoff]

@Billions

Where’s the multi-stager for someone who wants to put 100% of their focus on MASSIVE transformation in their internal and external status, without the distraction of a title that gets you obsessed with sex.

Finally, someone said it. THANK YOU

This is exactly what I would love to see. There are a lot of titles I won’t run due to the sexual side. I for one have been trying to overcome my sexuality and running Alpha/sexual subs would be to my detriment if my goal was the opposite.

Thanks Billions, You’re awesome

[Billions]

Let’s get it trending!

[SubliminalUser]

Most likely, tech has advanced enough for single stage, where healing can be handled by ZP primer. If really needed, a dedicated sub for healing can be stacked on.

[Lion]

@Billions, @Geoff, @SubliminalUser - it’s a great idea. It’s something I would love to run after I finish Ascension.

Have added it to the Roadmap (with due credit to @Billions) so do upvote it.

CHOSEN: ASCENDED ALPHA is the working title:

CHOSEN: ASCENDED ALPHA | Subliminal Club

[Avengers68]

@Billions that’s also what I was thinking. I stopped listening to Emperor because it was making me too super horny and a lot of sexual thoughts. An Alpha title with strong confidence etc but without the sexual part would be perfect !

[Billions]

I didn’t think this would be so popular! @Invictus, thoughts? @Monarch