Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental) (Part 2)

Have you made a final list of the modules you want?

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This is the best example for how to build a custom Iā€™ve seen. Is this going to be in the support articles? I think it would be really useful, especially the use of themes to narrow things down more.

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Well, pretty much the latest update I have :thinking: @bombayduck check this out :ok_hand:

  • Khan St4 - > Boldness, work and sex, unifies
  • Sex & Seduction - > Sex
  • Sanguine - > Boldness
  • Alexanderā€™s Play - > Sex
  • Stress Displacement - > Boldness
  • Yggdrasil - > Sex
  • DEUS
  • Omnidimensional
  • SPS: Endocrine System - > Sex, boldness, work
  • Unrelenting Wealth Motivation and Energy - > Work
  • Carpe Diem Ascended - > Work
  • Productivity Unleashed - Work
  • Machine : Action - > Work
  • Natural Winner - > Boldness
  • Furious Ascent - > Boldness
  • Wayfinder - > Boldness
  • ARES - > Boldness
  • Mosaic - > Put it together
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@SaintSovereign @Fire I think we have a support article vote :point_up:

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As for your hormones:

A/SPS: Organs

APS: Head

Asclepius

Beast Within Ultima Core

Deus

Emperor Fitness ST4 Core

Epigenetics & DNA Modulator

Fusion Optimized

Health Codex

Informaticon

Mosaic

Omnidimensional

Paragon Complete Ultima Core

Pragya

Serum X

SPS: Endocrine System

SPS: Immune System

SPS: Nervous System

SPS: Reproductive System

The Architect

Unlimiter

Yggdrasil

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Sweet, I like the organization of it all - I think the fact that boldness is the center of the custom helps a lot with both sex and work.

Have you thought about adding Deus and/or Omnidimensional along with Mosaic, just to try to boost the performance of the entire sub in general?

Could be interesting, my only drawback regarding making a fully focused hormonal sub is that I think I am near a good equilibrium. When I started Khan St1 I had good libido (felt like masturbating few times a day).

When I started Wanted ZP (when it came out), I had balls aches, indicating an increase in testosterone.

Now, my libido is lower, last sunday I saw my fwb and came once, took me a long time to get turned on again. Usually I can get hard and turned on 15-20 min after I came. Sunday, well after I came I wasnā€™t so in the mood :joy:

I still made her came for fun after because I enjoy it, but itā€™s not like I was feeling the burning sensation in my dick.

So I think to maximise my libido and all, chances are SPS : Hormone will be good as Iā€™m probably not too far from having a good equilibrium.

Also, if I make another custom for hormone, it means that I have to run it with this custom, which means I will have less loops with the custom I am making, and more energy for my mind to invest in processing this other subliminal. I could also run paragon as a side sub.

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Every single part resonates and is absolutely what I didnā€™t know I needed to see.

To the bookmarks!

In all seriousness. Thank you. I hope this helps others as well.

Your advice will be particularly important for those of us that have planned or will be planning ZP customs, given what Saint said in the pinned post.

Thanks again, my friend.

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Man, your such a help. :pray:

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I have a question, looking at your list, what can all these do in general, does the subconscious mind take all that in at once, and not worry about information overloading? I am new being introduce to all this. I am just wondering if the sub can process all those modules. How does it personally effect you when you first started.

Thanks

You do have to be mindful about overloading, it really depends on your experience, this is why we usually recommant to start with a sub from the main store. When you do a custom, you still got to asses itā€™s effect on you see how you react.

Usually the subconscious can absorb it. But you need to keep in mind that depending of how much stuff you put in there, it can be very heavy. Ex. Khan St4+Some other big title would be a heavier base than Sex&Seduction and Mindā€™s eye. The modules you add after are usually a lot lighter than big major titles.

It is said that ZP brings out your deepest self/desire which may lead to sub hopping. My question is how we distinguish the desire to change sub that comes from ZP guiding us vs the desire to change sub that comes from reconciliation?

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Recon triggers more an escape from the sub instead of bringing out an real desire to switch. Its a thin line but imho everybody will know if it is an escape or a real desire to improve things.

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I think itā€™s less that it brings out the deepest self and more that it reveals it.

Think of blowing the dust off an engraving so that you can read what it says.

The subjective difference in my experience is that the genuine impulse/desire will feel natural and will remain relatively constant whether or not youā€™re in a good mood or an excited mood. It wonā€™t feel like a desperate Hail Mary solution at 3 AM.

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For me it was there for each cycle and continued growing stronger and stronger, until I HAD to change. Then feeling fine with that decision and no longer feeling a need to go back to it.

If you keep with a sub, and it is truly not ideal for you (for whatever reason) sooner or later you will just have to make the switch as the feelings to change become more intense and obvious, and are there when feeling good and when feeling recon.

When it is not right, no one or nothing can stop you from changing, it is inevitable.

I recommend taking a washout to get clear on your suspicions, especially if currently going through recon.

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I stick to the recommendations for the 21 days on zp. Before that, I didnā€™t set any rules for myself as far as staying with the sub for 3, 6 or 12 months. I would switch whenever there was a need that came up in my life and I wanted the subs to help me meet those goals. I moved on to a different area of interest as soon as those goals were met.

Now I just use whatever subs I have a desire to run. I felt like running Seductress with Stark and EF, so thatā€™s what Iā€™m doing right now. I liked Stark on Q, but I wasnā€™t ready back then for all of the sexy stuff, so I moved on to a different sub. I got on Seductress a few months later, and a few months after, Stark became my favorite sub.

I donā€™t see it as jumping around to escape the current sub. Maybe thereā€™s a part of me thatā€™s not ready yet, so I go about it through a different road. Iā€™ve even made customs to meet the current goals I have in mind, then make a new custom once those goals are reached. I like to explore and have fun with my subs. Iā€™ve grown in so many different areas since starting these subs. Iā€™ve been told that I am not the same person I was a year and a half ago and I am really pleased about that.

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For me it was a specific sub that keeps popping up. Primal in this case. I kept having it on my mind.

When I was sub hopping through recon I just jumped on any sub that was mentioned on the forum and someone had great results with it.

So itā€™s a question of where the intention comes from.

  • Other People (forum)
  • Your own mind

And especially once I ran it for the first time and that feeling was INSANE, I realised this is the sub I need.

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I know what you are referring to. I have the same feeling with Khan right now. St2 is changing me from inside and my mind likes how Iā€™m being changed!

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I havenā€™t done an extremely long fast in awhile but I do a 40 to 45h fast once a week and 16hr. IF almost everyday. For me, I see no difference running subs during my fasts.

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That is great advice. Like I said in another post, ā€œ I feel like a kid in a candy store and I want it yesterday. ā€˜As I read other great posts like yourā€™s, I am learning to slow my roll. Lol.

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