Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental) (Part 2)

[Budewr]

@Malkuth

My opinions would be pretty basic on this one:

1. Make sure you’re getting regular physical check-ups
2. Exercise and Nutrition

got those checked, like im sure its not a health reason behind this rather its a sub’s effect, maybe cause i just added a new title (stark) to my playlist and sometime the body responds in a different way,

@Malkuth

Individual circumstances and characteristics will vary, but, in general, if you can regularly do a form (or forms) of medium-intensity exercise that you really enjoy, it will really help you to calibrate the sleep cycle and sleep quality.

you know i never noticed that, like i hit the gym daily, but i never seen how it effects my sleep for the better, maybe i should push myself more into fatigue and failure during sets, i noticed myself being too comfortable while training which sould not be the case, it has to be a struggle

@Malkuth

When you’ve got the basics covered. Another thing that helps is designing your lifestyle to be motivating and meaningful. Getting out of bed in the morning is easier when you have somewhere that you want to go.

i meant in my reply in the thread earlier is that i face this issue of being super super tired in the morning once i wake up, its not as like a mood you know? its not like being unmotivated to get out of beds or something like that

its just a huge body sensation that i feel so tired and fatigued that i want to sleep more and more and more

however im sure this is not overexposure , cause i know how it feels when you overload yourself

id feel sluggish like a slime that cant think probably its like im a slime. this is different

anyways thanks friend
i might want to push myself harder in the gym

[Trader]

@MadaraUchiha

these irrational people who refuse to listen to instructions are hurting everyone here.

The ones hurting everyone are the ones who refuse to take responsibility and instead complain about whatever happens. Whether they follow instructions or not.

[SaintSovereign]

@Pyro

My life has taken off since ZP and knowing what I know now I would be devastated that this preview would be cut off because people don’t use their brain.

No worries, ZP is here to stay. We’re just not lowering the loop time to 7 minutes until we can figure out how to do it safely. As much as I hate this concept, we may have to completely wall off the 7 minute versions – only certain people who have demonstrated that they can either follow the instructions or experiment without blaming us.

[SaintSovereign]

@MadaraUchiha

does that mean beyond limitless ultima is officially retired?

We’re still going to test the booster idea, the playtime will just be 30 minutes (possibly), need to test it.

@MadaraUchiha

also, my understanding is that you currently have the ability to release 5-7 min versions of all the products that are even more effective then the 15 min version but you are unwilling to release these versions because you suspect people would harm themselves running them too often?

Yes, unfortunately – we’ve already cracked a number of breakthroughs. Shorter run time is one of them (and no, those spying on us, it’s not the obvious answer that you think). Right now, we’re focused on reducing recon as much as possible.

Shorter runtime? Yes. More effective? That remains to be seen. Theoretically, yes – they would be more effective.

[AlexanderGraves]

@SaintSovereign

despite the fact that the testers are here themselves with full authority to speak openly about their experience and the majority of them will tell you that overexposure does NOT feel good.

We also KEEP doing this all the time, but nobody listens lol
(Specifically @Lion and @Trader I see ALL THE TIME saying this lol)

So I feel you.

I listen to way less loops than what’s recommended and I get sick results (I am at ONE LOOP PER TITLE PER WEEK lol 3 loops A WEEK, anyone get how SICK this is?). Still people are trying to run 4 loops a day just because ONE GUY can handle it on the forum.

I was one of the guys in the ZP testing forum that pushed for 30min listening times down from the hour. Because I never liked having to sit there 2 hours with the subs running. So I AM VERY GLAD you managed the 15 minutes. I am even at the point where I only listen to 7 min of any title before I cut it lol
STILL SICK RESULTS.

Anyway, I am glad you guys managed it! But I can totally understand your frustration!

[jay_s]

@SaintSovereign

Everyone wanted less listening time. We spent an extremely long time researching how to accomplish this. You wouldn’t believe how many nights we stayed up to 4am, talking, debating and pouring over data to pull this off.

I’ll join the queue of people who are simply grateful for ZP. Being able to listen to two subs in 30 minutes and not 2 hours is a huge boon in my daily life, as is the reduced number of loops. Following instructions I’ve had no reconciliation to speak of, and ZP goes a lot deeper than QV2. And it’s fast. You’ve done something amazing here. Thank you for that!

[Stealth]

Maybe you need the sleep. A LOT happens in our sleep time, and it could be that your body and mind need to process things - the subs included - while your conscious mind is checked out. Perhaps trust the process of your greater unfolding and go with sleeping and that once your whole being is ready and prepared things will shift naturally.

I’m with you, I feel like sleeping these days more than 10 hours a night more often than not. I just go with it.

[Athanaxos]

@James

Quantum Limitless ZP would stack with The Alchemist ZP

I’ve been having the same thoughts recently… Is the multiverse trying to tell us something…?

[TheDerpinator]

@SaintSovereign

You wanted to run LESS LOOPS and listen less. Now that we’ve done it, you want to expose yourself more?

I got my best results when i had a stack of 2 subs and only listened once every 3 days. I really feel like people should start experimenting with less loops rather than more lol, the less is more statement that saint keeps saying is so extremely true. I think a lot of people would highly benefit from that.

People have also noticed this so much during the washout, where everyone is reporting that they suddenly get a tons more results. That just goes to show you how important rest days are when it comes to optimal results, and you dont need to stubbornly keep listening a shitton.

[infinite]

@AlexanderGraves

I listen to way less loops than what’s recommended and I get sick results (I am at ONE LOOP PER TITLE PER WEEK lol 3 loops A WEEK, anyone get how SICK this is?). Still people are trying to run 4 loops a day just because ONE GUY can handle it on the forum.

I was one of the guys in the ZP testing forum that pushed for 30min listening times down from the hour. Because I never liked having to sit there 2 hours with the subs running. So I AM VERY GLAD you managed the 15 minutes. I am even at the point where I only listen to 7 min of any title before I cut it lol
STILL SICK RESULTS.

how does your listening pattern look like when you do 3 per week? each loop on a separate day? and do you listen to all 7min only? I also had much better results with less exposure. ZP is really powerful

[gdbdboy]

@SaintSovereign

Right now, we’re focused on reducing recon as much as possible

I know you guys will crack the code for this too .

But please retain some Recon in there . When we are changing our realities fast , it’s difficult for my conscious to catch up with new reality . Only Recon lets me know ,something is cooking underneath .

[AlexanderGraves]

@infinite

how does your listening pattern look like when you do 3 per week? each loop on a separate day? and do you listen to all 7min only? I also had much better results with less exposure. ZP is really powerful

Yes, with the next cycles I will try only running 7 minutes, that seems to work better for me.

Currently my schedule is 2 subs on Monday, one on Thursday. The two on Monday separated by a bunch of hours.
Still, I noticed slight overload on Tuesdays. It’s just SO DAMN POWERFUL lol

I might also test a Monday, Wednesday, Friday schedule, but I am truly liking the 2 rest days in between.

[Deadpool]

Truly interesting idea. Maybe I can add two rest days in between,

[TheDerpinator]

@SaintSovereign im really curious, given how you already had to nerve spartans physical shifting, what would that mean for HERO?
Will HERO still be the absolute pinnacle of physical shifting? Or will it basically be on par with something like EmpFit or WANTED? If so than what seperates hero from these other two?

[Budewr]

cheers, will do

[Fractal_Explorer]

Im not sure if I’m the only one here, but I do better with a consistent schedule on ZP. I’ve noticed if I take more rest days it throws me off more than helps. So I’m doing one 5 minute loop every other day. I prefer less input vs more rest days. Seems to work better, just wish I had more conclusive evidence for this vs my own bias.

[MajorVic]

@SaintSovereign @Fire Hello . I am new member at sub club. I tried competitor for two yeras but I was mind blown from your subliminals how great and powerfull are and thank you for everything you doing and I am planning to use your subs for a long time .Howerer one thing concerns me a bit . Every couple of months I am forced to take a urine drug test by law and surveillance I have above me . Its multy test pannel with almost all drugs / cocaine, meth, cannabis, opiates, psychiatric meds and more…/ My concern is : Should subliminal afect subconcious in way that leads to hormonal changes or rising in natural chemical reactions in the body so my test would lead to false possitive? I am sober from drugs and alcohol for 3,5 years now , but this concerns me a bit , because sometimes when I run Ascension ZP I feel like I used to feel on crystal meth, energetic and many thoughts in head.I am staying away from subs that contain testosterone boost to be safe at least in my head because I am kinda paranoid about my law stuff and possible long jail time. This seems kind of stupid question when I am sober and not consuming ilegal stuff but I know how mighty subconcious is and for example Ibuprofen caused a lot of false possitives and there are researches about that.Can you please shed some light on this? Or are there some ZP titles that I should stay away from in effects on human body? For example I know that Wanted ZP contain testosterone booster./ I am now using Ascension ZP,Heartsong ZP and after 60 days I am planing to buy Stark ZP,Daredevil ZP, Rebirth ZP or Love Bomb ZP. Thank you very much .

[Simon]

@SaintSovereign

we’re focused on reducing recon as much as possible.

I was wondering the other day, if the …

"Overconfident Forum Behavior Recon" …

is a temporary Dunning-Kruger Effect?

…

User thinks they’re already Super.

[James]

@Simon

User thinks they’re already Super.

I won’t say I’m super unless I randomly start acting like I have been taking NZT 48 from the movie and television show Limitless but it is weird that after running a couple of loops of Quantum Limitless ZP St 1 I am remembering things I completely forgot about and yesterday my Wife and I completely reorganized and mostly cleaned our bedroom
That said I do feel like I’m becoming more introverted

[bombayduck]

@James

I do feel like I’m becoming more introverted

Interesting.

@Simon

“Overconfident Forum Behavior Recon”

Ah yes, the recon of choice expressed 24/7 by a certain someone