Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental) (Part 2)

I used the word “recon” but I don’t think that’s the right word since what happens on ZP is not the same experience I would get on Qv2. On Qv2 it was real recon, your mind struggling with the scripting or trying to fight off these parts of it that were too much to handle. Your reaction was usually anger or sadness or both. On ZP it’s more about what Saint mentioned; that is overexposure and your mind getting temporarily “contracted” and pushing you into some kind of temporary “regression”. It stems from being overloaded. The same thing happens to your muscles when you go to the gym and work out way too hard. Your muscles get contracted and you can notice regression. I experienced it on Mogul and now on Emperor and DR. The first weeks were a really smooth sail then it started happening. Why? I think the current recommendation is more than we can handle (depending on the programs) and that’s why so many people started looking for their own pattern reducing the recommended exposure to one loop a week or the listening time to 7, 5, or even 3 minutes per sub.

What’s the solution? Observation, observation, observation, and choosing our exposure accordingly but NEVER beyond the current recommendations.

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The main problem I see here is that a lot of us don’t want to listen to Saint, SC recommendations and their “body and mind” and try to force their way forward no matter what. Another one is that a lot of us still cannot believe that one can get overexposed listening to their stack 30 minutes every other day only.

Once you’ve got overexposed you need to take a longer break and get back to your routine slowly. It’s just like getting severly overtrained at the gym. You cannot keep going with your routine since you can easily get injured, you need proper rest.

The thing is a lot of people get “injured” listening to ZP just because they think they know better and they’re blind to the signs their “body and mind” are sending them.

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Keep getting bored @Calm

It’s really soothing and a happy boredom :rofl: :ok_hand:t2:

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I don’t know what I was thinking :sweat_smile:

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this made me laugh out loud

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guys and lads,

can you share your experiences regarding this thread that i posted :slight_smile:

cheers

Simon is officially a sigma Chad now (profile pic lmao :rofl::rofl:)

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Washouts are like taking breaks from the gym periodically. One needs it not to hinder their progress or get injured. We all have our regime but we need to gauge signals that our body and mind send us and respect them. The recommended pattern is like a recommended training routine, something universal we need to ultimately adapt to our needs and capabilities. Some people will need to do a washout every two weeks, some every three weeks. Some people will need to listen to their stack every four days some every other. But never beyond the recommendations.

Some of us need to stop blaming the gym (ZP) for getting overtrained (overexposed) since only we can monitor our body and mind and act accordingly.

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I found @Simon’s sigma theme

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@GoldenTiger The testosterone level in this theme is just off charts :hot_face:

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Fantastic post that everyone should read.

It really is like that.

I do agree recon doesn’t really seem to exist on ZP. It’s overload that can also happen from processing.

If a lot of stuff needs to be worked through.

Less is more on ZP for sure.

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Thanks, Alex.

Yes, I didn’t agree with that rule when I was listening to Q but I cannot deny it now, when on ZP. It’s also about changing your stack. I could run Mogul and Wanted/DR with ease and I didn’t experience much overexposure but it’s a “light” scripting whilst now, on Emperor and DR, it’s definitely heavier and it’s easier to get overexposed.

15 minutes of swimming and 15 minutes of intensive cardio training are not the same for our bodies. We need to also remember that for me doing heavy cardio training would be much less demanding than for my five-year-old nephew so using the same routine would kill him if he tried to match me no matter what. We need to try to be really self-aware when using ZP since it’s not a toy.

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Currently running DR chosen Emperor and the ol Emperor is def the toughest to run for me so I feel you there.

On ZP which sub you run definitely plays a role.

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It may be that the best course of action would be gauging each sub since we can run a “light sub” every other day whilst running something tougher, like Emperor, could be something we should tackle in another way, running it less frequently.

Experimenting, experimenting, experimenting, and observation, observation, observation - that’s the very core rule of the Dark Art of Mental Alchemy.

The recommended pattern is just a general guideline for newbies and something that more experienced mental alchemist should NEVER ignore.

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I am still confused as to how less is more. Seems counterproductive

I can understand why some users will over expose. Yet i also understand why we should never over expose. As you have clearly stated in the long term it can lead to stone walling.

When i grew up in the 80s and 90s the internet was never part of my world. If i wanted to order a book for example i would have to order it from the library. If it wasnt there i would have to wait upto 2 weeks.

Nowadays no longer do i need to wait i can get my book instantly. No need to travel tk a library shop. Just sit in bath and order it online.

We now live in a world of instant gratification. We expect to see results now so naturally people get impatient and begin overexposing.

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I don’t know how many times I saw you post this, get an answer, accept it, and then come back weeks later with the same question :joy::joy:

I guess some beliefs are hard to shatter :rofl::rofl:

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There’s an old Chinese saying: not the one who has eaten most but the one who has digested most.

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@James if you continue to over expose you will also stone wall :rofl:

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I’ve never experienced stonewalling on ZP but I’ve always stuck with the recommended pattern. At some point, I just seemed to get to the point I wasn’t able to make any significant progress on Wanted but when I started running DR I noticed that some objectives of Wanted got activated.

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