Main Disc. Thread - Paragon ZP

Thanks I will look into it!

If I was with a sprained ankle and in the middle of a cycle, I would consider stopping the other subliminals, and listening to Paragon only for 3 times a week until it was healed, and seeking out a chiropractor.

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I can only second that. Comfrey is great for everything from bones to joints and even skin.
We’ve been using it for almost a decade now in my family. Especially my 93 year old grandma profits a lot from a comfrey salve. Helps a lot with pain in her shoulders and knees.

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Hi everyone, my very first post on this website (everyone say ā€œawwā€ lol).

I have been told by a doctor (a GP who also has specialist knowledge about chronic fatigue) that my chronic fatigue is basically down to my autonomous nervous system (parasympathetic? I forget) being in a state of permanent stress and oversensitivity.

And this in itself has been a result of trauma/abuse in childhood and adulthood, which has led to a kind of extreme 'fight or flight syndrome, being perma-dialled up to 11, tense and on edge much of the time, so of course there’s going to be an aspect of needing to deal with underlying emotional healing too (I’m currently torn between whether to choose Dragon Reborn: Limit Destroyer and Phoenix: Dragon Reborn for that aspect!)

I also have autism, which makes me prone to nervous system sensitivity anyway (due to noise/light/chaos sensitivity etc), which probably doesn’t help lol.

I know the Paragon product description says something along the lines of ā€œwhatever your illness, we’ve got it covered hereā€, but I wanted to ask whether this would be the best product for trying to heal my autonomous nervous system?

Because I saw that Quantum Limitless phase 1 has a specific focus on healing the nervous system (hence my question), but I don’t really want to get locked in to a multi stage Sub at this point, since I’m planning to stack 3 ZP subs and then after 2 months - and depending on results - start substituting for different subs.
But if it seems that QL would be best, then I’ll do it anyway I guess (and I know I could also just do the 1st phase of QL only, then go to a different product, and maybe return to QL later down the road).

So, would be good to hear your thoughts and recommendations. I’m happy to answer any questions if you’d like more info from me before making a recommendation :slight_smile:

I’d also add that I’ve studied/practiced life coaching and self-improvement for 20 odd years and I’m currently on a kind of life transformation ā€˜mastermind’ programme that is designed to holistically overhaul all areas of life (health, emotions, limiting beliefs, finances, relationships) and also starting an online business. So I should have a lot of opportunities for taking action and giving the Subs the best chance of helping me :slight_smile:

Thanks in advance and may I add, it’s really, really great to be here and have stumbled across this website! :slight_smile:

Hi @Layman, welcome to subclub. I would recommend putting your question in the ā€œquestion forumā€ so more people could view it as you are asking for suggestions on 3 different subs.

Why not pair Paragon & QL together? It’s the best of both worlds.

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Hello Jade8,

Thanks for the feedback! Being new here, and having questions about multiple products, I thought the best approach would be to try and post questions for related products in the appropriate product threads.

I didn’t realise there was a ā€œquestion forumā€ lol.

I’ll go take a look, but I’ve already posted here now (and another enquiry on the DR:LD thread), so I’m conscious that I don’t want to end up cross-posting duplicate posts!

Oh, and to address your question, yes, I have definitely been considering about pairing Paragon and QL together. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that my initial goal is for rapid results in a variety of different areas (emotional healing, limiting beliefs, mindset, financial freedom, masculinity, dominance, physical healing, dating).

As such, I was thinking I’d like to focus on 3 subs at a time, and switch out a sub after 1-2 months (dependent on what results I’ve had and whether my feeling at the time is to switch or continue).

If I want to go down the QL route, according to the latest guidelines about stack rotation, then I’d have to be locked into the other two titles I chose for as long as it took to go through all 4 phases of QL (and perhaps 2-3 iterations of each phase of QL too).

So right now, it seems better maybe to just choose Limitless Executive (or Beyond Limitless, or Limitless), with a view to quick transformation and results now, and a deeper, long-term dive into something like QL later down the road…

That’s my thinking anyway. Feel free to critique or advise :smiley:

Yup, definitely understand about wanting to fix everything at once :sweat_smile:

To be honest with you, you might consider staying with each sub for 2-3 cycles or even longer. I ran paragon for like 1 month switched, ran a bunch of other subs and so forth and am still prone to switching (I’ve been listening for 9 months). People do have different reactions to these subs and hopefully it will be a great tool for you.

The cognitive subs are amazing. Especially Limitless. You mentioned Emperor on the other thread and I would recommend for you to look at Emperor: Executive as that contains Emperor and limitless executive and lots of people have been raving about results. ( It’s the newest sub too).

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@Layman, I’d still recommend you put your question on the questions forum. You won’t be disciplined :wink:

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I would encourage you to consider picking one to start with. If you’re thinking either Paragon or QL, then consider which one.

You could run your first one for about 30 days, and notice the results. If you notice results, then perhaps consider adding the second one.

To me, those both sound like logical choices.

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yes, I’ve been thinking about this a lot, as well as reading the threads here, and it’s clear to me that sticking with at least one or two subs for 6-12 months is going to give myself the best possible chance to experience and learn everything that those subs have to offer.
I think Emperor is going to be my ā€˜long term’ sub.
I may well end up using a second long term sub alongside it, but that partly depends on how my journey and results progress, and what my intuition is telling me to do.

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thanks for the advice. I have now done this :slight_smile:

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How long did she have those problems for before paragon helped to solve them?

Also wondering if anyone has tried just listening to paragon for 3 minutes twice per week?

Something i would like to suggest for a paragon update is some scripting for dental health/teeth and to even reverse cavities and help enamel

If this version can already reverse a cancerous 1.9cm cyst on a kidney to 1.5cm i dont see why an updated version with all the new tech cant reverse cavities and maybe even attempt to rebuild or strengthen enamel/tooth surfaces etc.

Yes i have have a routine dental hygiene but this would be nice to have,it’s just a suggestion,please don’t drag me over it.

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I agree completely. Actually I would like to see a module that specifically focuses on healing teeth and gums (cavities, infections etc.) and even seeks to straighten and fix teeth structure and placement. Growing another adult tooth (in place of an adult tooth being pulled) would also be amazing.

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First BDLM, Then height induced, then bigger muscles faster, now growing teeth and strengthening enamel!!! These visionairies will put every industry on pause!!! I’m here for it all.

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Before anyone says it’s impossible to regrow a pulled tooth as a adult, I just want to say, Japan has medication that lets teeth regrow in adults.
It’s in late testing phase and will probably be publicly available in 5 years.
It seems like it’s absolutely possible to regrow teeth. There are a few approaches to heal cavities including hydroxyapatite or even bone knit.

So, since it’s scientifically possible to do it, it should be possible to support these natural approaches with a subliminal.

Chat GPTs overview on the Japanese Medication

Certainly! Here’s an expert-level overview of the Japanese approach to tooth regeneration, especially focusing on current research and timelines for public availability:


Overview: Regrowing Teeth in Adults – The Japanese Approach

Institution Leading the Research:
Kyoto University Hospital in collaboration with Toregem Biopharma, a Kyoto-based biotech startup.

Scientific Focus:
The Japanese team is pioneering a pharmaceutical approach to regenerate teeth by targeting a gene called USAG-1 (Uterine Sensitization-Associated Gene-1), which plays a critical role in suppressing tooth development.

By inhibiting USAG-1 using a monoclonal antibody (USAG-1 Ab), researchers have been able to stimulate the growth of new teeth in mice, ferrets, and dogs. This inhibition promotes the natural development of ā€œthird dentitionā€ — a dormant potential in humans to grow a third set of teeth beyond baby and permanent teeth.

Target Conditions:

Congenital tooth agenesis (anodontia or hypodontia): Patients born with missing teeth.

Tooth loss due to trauma or decay: Long-term goal includes regrowing teeth in the general population.


Clinical Development Timeline

  1. Preclinical Stage (2018–2022)

Success in regenerating teeth in animals like mice and ferrets.

Demonstrated safety and efficacy of the anti-USAG-1 antibody in these models.

  1. Clinical Trials Phase I (Planned: July 2024 – Early 2025)

Participants: Adults with congenital tooth agenesis (missing at least one tooth).

Location: Kyoto University Hospital.

Purpose: Assess safety and initial efficacy in humans.

  1. Clinical Trials Phase II (2025–2026)

Larger group of participants.

Will explore broader applications, including tooth loss due to non-congenital reasons.

  1. Clinical Trials Phase III (2026–2027)

Final safety and efficacy validation.

Likely to expand to international sites if results are promising.


Estimated Public Availability

Earliest Availability (for congenital cases): 2028 in Japan, pending successful trial results and regulatory approval by Japan’s PMDA (Pharmaceuticals and Medical Devices Agency).

General Availability (for broader public use): 2030–2032, depending on further research, trial expansions, and global regulatory approvals (e.g., FDA, EMA).


Implications for the Future

If this therapy proves successful, it could:

  • Replace the need for dental implants and dentures.

  • Offer a once-in-a-lifetime injection that regrows a missing tooth.

  • Initiate a paradigm shift in how dentistry approaches tooth loss — from artificial replacement to true biological regeneration.

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