Main Disc. Thread - Paragon ZP

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#490

I’m contemplating a physical healing custom; have a question if anyone could help?
I wonder if someone could compare the way in which Paragon Complete works and what it does, vs any/all of the modules Synergy: Preordained Vitality + Asclepius +Serum X?

Things I’m wondering:

  1. Which, of the core and those modules, are the latest products with the latest tech (if that matters)?

  2. would it be effectively redundant to put those modules in a Custom that already has Paragon Complete as a core?

  3. Or if I did, would it actually slow down the healing speed (but do more over a longer period of time) due to the extra modules?
    Or speed it up due to the increased focus (doubling down on the healing)?

And for the record, here’s a rough outline of the build I’m considering; the goal being physical healing and improved sleep, with modules added to help with utilising/creating/sourcing energy to power that healing:

Paragon core
Paragon Sleep core

Synergy: Preordained Vitality
Asclepius
Serum X
Deep Sleep
Synergy: Harmonic Conflux
Synergy: Energetic Transcendence
SPS: Fat Burn
Epigenetics & DNA Modulator

If Synergy: Preordained Vitality + Asclepius +Serum X were redundant or otherwise advised against, then I guess I’d substitute them with Deus, Anti-Recon and Mosaic (or just add on these, since they’re all great lol). Any thoughts on that? :smiley:

#491

Not redundant nor advised against. The constituent modules like Asclepius will focus more on those parts when added with Synergy: Preordained Vitality.

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#492

Also have a look at Machine: Rest.
Could be interesting, or not :joy:

#493

Haha, yes, I’ve seen it :slight_smile:
I think it may have come from the Emperor Executive sub, which I also plan to run, so hopefully that side of things will be covered :slight_smile:

#494

I absolutely love Paragon, although I don’t run it regularly, only as needed. It always surprises me how fast and effective it is. I’ve posted a few results in the past, but here’s another from today.

I woke up this morning with a sharp pain on the right side of my chest, especially when I moved. It felt like a muscular issue. I drank plenty of water and massaged the area, but after a couple of hours it was still there and hadn’t improved. It was bad enough that it was seriously restricting my movement.

So I ran a full loop of one of my Paragon customs - I have several, each designed to focus on different things - and as I was listening I wasn’t really paying any attention, I was just browsing the forum.

When the loop finished I realized that the pain was 95% gone, and there’s only a mild soreness left.

IMO Paragon is probably the single most essential sub here. That’s probably why I have so many Paragon customs, and I also have a Paragon/KB3 custom on the way to add to my collection.

I cannot wait to see what SC come up with when they update it.

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#495

Would you mind sharing a list of these custom?
Is it like Paragon + a ASP module an some fillers?

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#496

Basically yes, Paragon + some combination of SPS modules to give Paragon a focus. I usually always include either Paragon Sleep or Deep Sleep, and either Harmonic Singularity or Synergy: Harmonic Conflux. There’s the odd other module here or there, but that’s the basic outline of most of my Paragon customs.

The one I used above had SPS: Muscular System and SPS: Skeletal System.

But more recently I’ve experimented with adding KB3, due to this:

The number of Paragon customs I made is unnecessary, but I like highly focused subs and I enjoy tinkering.

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#497

Does Paragon Complete incorporate Paragon Sleep?
Or even part of it?

I’m running Paragon Sleep right now and after weeks of really bad sleep (and a lifetime of difficult sleep), I’m sleeping mostly through the night, and that’s just after a few days.
In fact, it started right after the first 1min loop.
I posted about it over in the Paragon Sleep thread.

But this also got me to wondering whether Paragon Complete contained any/all elements of Paragon Sleep, since it strikes me that consistent good quality sleep is crucial to both short and long-term health.

And although Paragon Complete has the reported ‘side effect’ of tiredness (and the product description mentions “Paragon can knock you out. It can be quite taxing on the system, and it can lull you into sleep very quickly”), if you’re someone like me who’s struggled with sleep for a long time, tiredness in itself sadly doesn’t guarantee a good night’s sleep.
So I was just curious about that :slight_smile:

#498

But the experience with Paragon Sleep got me to thinking.
These days, to some extent, health can often get pushed way down on the priority list - not that it’s unimportant, but just thinking “I’ll get round to dealing with that later”.
After getting my business up and running or getting that promotion. After finding a partner/lover or whatever. But ask anyone who’s lost their health at some point (or permanently), and they’ll tell you it’s the most important thing in life.

I myself lost my health; developed chronic fatigue over a decade ago. And yet still, becoming financially free and achieving BDLM and sexual abundance seem like far more urgent and pressing issues :rofl:
The chocolate box of incredible Subs here and the FOMO is real lol.

But after just a few loops of Paragon Sleep, the effect has been profound.
I’d guess that Paragon Sleep would take a lot longer (months? years?) to see big effects, but it’s still a wonderful thought.

But all this has reminded me of the utter, mission-critical, foundational necessity of consistent quality sleep and robust health. I had various thoughts in my mind of what Sub I might swap out Paragon Sleep with once it’s fully embedded and I no longer need to run it. But now, all I can think is that it MUST be Paragon Complete (or whatever version of it exists in a few months time) :slight_smile:

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#499

And this brings me on to one more question lol (sorry!) :flushed: :sweat_smile:

@AnswerGroup
On the Paragon Complete product page, it says:
“With Paragon Complete, you have an incredibly powerful tool with you that will serve you for the rest of your life. Use it whenever you have pains, soreness, injuries, an illness, or even feel a cold encroaching”.

I’m wondering how this advice would work in practice?
Like for someone running a stack of 3 ZP titles (or Customs, or a mix of both), and given there’s supposed to be a big washout period when changing Subs, if you “felt a cold encroaching”, you couldn’t just drop one of your Subs temporarily and drop Paragon Complete straight in, could you?

And given how comprehensive and taxing it is, I assume you couldn’t just run it temporarily, once a week, on top of a 3-stack as with something like Ascension Chamber or Diamond?

Depending on the answers to those questions, what then would be the optimal way to run Paragon Complete?

And there’d be 2 ‘use cases’ for this question:

  1. you are generally healthy but could get cold/flu or injured sometimes

  2. or let’s say you had an injury or health condition. Yes, you could make it a part of your stack and run it until the issue was healed.
    But then what? Leave it and come back to it if a new issue arises?
    Or just keep running it for a lifetime, as a kind of preventative/health measure, like taking supplements, fasting etc?

I read that the goal of a Sub is to reach the point where it’s no longer needed.
But is that possible/appropriate with a Sub like Paragon Complete?

So yeah, all these questions going through my mind lol.

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#500

In the case of a transient illness, I’d probably ‘pause’ my usual stack, play a loop(s) of Paragon Complete and then get as much sleep, fluids, and medicine as necessary.

(Yes, pre-change washout periods are ideal, but we have to compromise with reality based on what is happening and based on what is necessary. In this case, it may be more important to get that boost of Paragon functionality as soon as possible. Exigent circumstances require flexibility.)

Once I’d regained full-health, I’d then stop Paragon Complete and return to my primary programs.

But if I wished to cultivate great health in the long-term, I would integrate Paragon Complete as one of the ongoing programs in my stack. And in that case, I’d approach it as I would any other subliminal.

‘Not needed’ doesn’t automatically equal ‘not wanted’.

Sub use is not always driven by desperation or the desire to be saved.

Subliminal use can also be an adventure of exploration, or it can be driven by an aspiration for development or beautification in a particular area of life.

In those cases, the subliminal is not technically needed.

The above observation applies to all subs, not just Paragon Complete.

So, I’d complete your sentence like this:

The goal of a sub is to reach the point where it’s no longer needed, so that you can begin using subs where they are wanted.

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#501

thank you; a really helpful reply :slight_smile:
I can see myself running Paragon Complete literally for the rest of my (hopefully long and healthy) life :slight_smile:

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#502

Also Paragon Sleep was created from Paragon complete.
People noticed much better sleep on PC, so Fire and Saint decided to take the sleep scripting and expand it to full title.

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#503

Vote for it here @Ravenscout @RockyHandsome @HeroicDragon @Venus @Salchichon

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#504

Mix this in with another so it does more than just teeth…

#505

I should report that my last cycle I ran Paragon.

The goal was to see if it could do anything for my post hernia surgery pain/discomfort.

I had a double hernia surgery(with mesh) 5/1/24. On the right side I was still experiencing random phantom pain and discomfort. It wasn’t too bad, about 4/10 pain level but it was annoying. I was still able to lift and be active but the pain would come and go when it felt like it. Sometimes I would have it for half a day then nothing for next 3 days, then I would have it for 8 days straight. What made it frustrating was it was always there, regardless if I was lifting or laying in my bed.

Well I can confidently say that after 1 cycle of Paragon, the phantom pain is gone. I still get a bit of tenderness, about 1/10 pain level but it goes away fast. Never lasts more than a few hours, and comes maybe once or twice a week. Huge improvement.

Would recommend to anyone dealing with stubborn injuries.

I should also add that the only other sub I ran was Paragon Sleep to give the stack full Paragon focus.

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#506

Maybe a module.for this ?

#507

This title may be due for an update with all of the recent advancements. I just thought that while I started it again to deal with a recent physical issue. :smiley:

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#508

Has anyone stacked Paragon with LoTS? I imagine that they could synergies pretty well with Paragon clearing out any health issues that prevent LoTS from physical shifting to its best ability.

#509

I have both in a custom, with Hero Earth too.

I feel at home in my body, my health is stable, chronic pains and tensions are slowly melting away, and my fitness progress is accelerating.

It’s a good stack

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