Main Disc. Thread - Paragon ZP

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#498

But the experience with Paragon Sleep got me to thinking.
These days, to some extent, health can often get pushed way down on the priority list - not that it’s unimportant, but just thinking “I’ll get round to dealing with that later”.
After getting my business up and running or getting that promotion. After finding a partner/lover or whatever. But ask anyone who’s lost their health at some point (or permanently), and they’ll tell you it’s the most important thing in life.

I myself lost my health; developed chronic fatigue over a decade ago. And yet still, becoming financially free and achieving BDLM and sexual abundance seem like far more urgent and pressing issues :rofl:
The chocolate box of incredible Subs here and the FOMO is real lol.

But after just a few loops of Paragon Sleep, the effect has been profound.
I’d guess that Paragon Sleep would take a lot longer (months? years?) to see big effects, but it’s still a wonderful thought.

But all this has reminded me of the utter, mission-critical, foundational necessity of consistent quality sleep and robust health. I had various thoughts in my mind of what Sub I might swap out Paragon Sleep with once it’s fully embedded and I no longer need to run it. But now, all I can think is that it MUST be Paragon Complete (or whatever version of it exists in a few months time) :slight_smile:

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#499

And this brings me on to one more question lol (sorry!) :flushed: :sweat_smile:

@AnswerGroup
On the Paragon Complete product page, it says:
“With Paragon Complete, you have an incredibly powerful tool with you that will serve you for the rest of your life. Use it whenever you have pains, soreness, injuries, an illness, or even feel a cold encroaching”.

I’m wondering how this advice would work in practice?
Like for someone running a stack of 3 ZP titles (or Customs, or a mix of both), and given there’s supposed to be a big washout period when changing Subs, if you “felt a cold encroaching”, you couldn’t just drop one of your Subs temporarily and drop Paragon Complete straight in, could you?

And given how comprehensive and taxing it is, I assume you couldn’t just run it temporarily, once a week, on top of a 3-stack as with something like Ascension Chamber or Diamond?

Depending on the answers to those questions, what then would be the optimal way to run Paragon Complete?

And there’d be 2 ‘use cases’ for this question:

  1. you are generally healthy but could get cold/flu or injured sometimes

  2. or let’s say you had an injury or health condition. Yes, you could make it a part of your stack and run it until the issue was healed.
    But then what? Leave it and come back to it if a new issue arises?
    Or just keep running it for a lifetime, as a kind of preventative/health measure, like taking supplements, fasting etc?

I read that the goal of a Sub is to reach the point where it’s no longer needed.
But is that possible/appropriate with a Sub like Paragon Complete?

So yeah, all these questions going through my mind lol.

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#500

In the case of a transient illness, I’d probably ‘pause’ my usual stack, play a loop(s) of Paragon Complete and then get as much sleep, fluids, and medicine as necessary.

(Yes, pre-change washout periods are ideal, but we have to compromise with reality based on what is happening and based on what is necessary. In this case, it may be more important to get that boost of Paragon functionality as soon as possible. Exigent circumstances require flexibility.)

Once I’d regained full-health, I’d then stop Paragon Complete and return to my primary programs.

But if I wished to cultivate great health in the long-term, I would integrate Paragon Complete as one of the ongoing programs in my stack. And in that case, I’d approach it as I would any other subliminal.

‘Not needed’ doesn’t automatically equal ‘not wanted’.

Sub use is not always driven by desperation or the desire to be saved.

Subliminal use can also be an adventure of exploration, or it can be driven by an aspiration for development or beautification in a particular area of life.

In those cases, the subliminal is not technically needed.

The above observation applies to all subs, not just Paragon Complete.

So, I’d complete your sentence like this:

The goal of a sub is to reach the point where it’s no longer needed, so that you can begin using subs where they are wanted.

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#501

thank you; a really helpful reply :slight_smile:
I can see myself running Paragon Complete literally for the rest of my (hopefully long and healthy) life :slight_smile:

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#502

Also Paragon Sleep was created from Paragon complete.
People noticed much better sleep on PC, so Fire and Saint decided to take the sleep scripting and expand it to full title.

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#503

Vote for it here @Ravenscout @RockyHandsome @HeroicDragon @Venus @Salchichon

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#504

Mix this in with another so it does more than just teeth…

#505

I should report that my last cycle I ran Paragon.

The goal was to see if it could do anything for my post hernia surgery pain/discomfort.

I had a double hernia surgery(with mesh) 5/1/24. On the right side I was still experiencing random phantom pain and discomfort. It wasn’t too bad, about 4/10 pain level but it was annoying. I was still able to lift and be active but the pain would come and go when it felt like it. Sometimes I would have it for half a day then nothing for next 3 days, then I would have it for 8 days straight. What made it frustrating was it was always there, regardless if I was lifting or laying in my bed.

Well I can confidently say that after 1 cycle of Paragon, the phantom pain is gone. I still get a bit of tenderness, about 1/10 pain level but it goes away fast. Never lasts more than a few hours, and comes maybe once or twice a week. Huge improvement.

Would recommend to anyone dealing with stubborn injuries.

I should also add that the only other sub I ran was Paragon Sleep to give the stack full Paragon focus.

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#506

Maybe a module.for this ?

#507

This title may be due for an update with all of the recent advancements. I just thought that while I started it again to deal with a recent physical issue. :smiley:

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#508

Has anyone stacked Paragon with LoTS? I imagine that they could synergies pretty well with Paragon clearing out any health issues that prevent LoTS from physical shifting to its best ability.

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#509

I have both in a custom, with Hero Earth too.

I feel at home in my body, my health is stable, chronic pains and tensions are slowly melting away, and my fitness progress is accelerating.

It’s a good stack

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#510

@SaintSovereign Hey, I’m curious as to your thoughts on an emotional healing element to the new version of this? Maybe as a separate stage because people seem to have healed ailments after releasing repressed emotion.

I remember you mentioning emotional healing can slow physical healing titles down. But something I hadn’t seen talked about for this title.

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#511

Have you looked at Sanguine: The Elixir?
It’s exactly the kind of thing you’re talking about (plus positivity, confidence scripting and some other things). Would love to see it (or aspects of it at least) incorporated into the new version of Paragon Complete :slight_smile:

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#512

I know that emotions can get “stuck” in the organs. Look up German New Medicine. It explains pretty amazingly how our emotions impact or physical health and that our emotions are energy. Our negative emotions / energies can be held in certain parts of our bodies.

If Paragon were to address negative emotions / energies within the body I think it could be a game changer for physical healing.

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#513

It’s rather the shock gets stuck in the brain (DHS) which creates an illness (SBS) as an solution to survive the shock.

So having a sub that singles out the shock/trauma and solves it so the the illness can go would be great.

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#514

It’s not exactly, but it’s the closest we have so far to it.

I’m talking pure focus and at the very least, overcoming the negative feelings caused by physical issues.

People closest to you that have had illness can affect your own perceptions of long term health outcomes for yourself. Separating that as in, that won’t be my downfall. Would be great

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#515

An interesting thing Brian Johnson said was that society assumes as we get older, that we deteriorate and get weaker, but what if it was the opposite, that you were so convinced that as you get older, you become almost like superhero’

Flipping the assumption on its head, after all, assumptions in the mind instruct the body

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#516

Love this!

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#517

I have a medical issue im dealing with,i went to a medical proffesional for low testosterone i am taking enclomophene to hopefully fix it but it doesnt seem to be working not sure if something wrong with my nuts or what,they did mention taking testosterone injections but i dont want to end up taking trt for the rest of my life as i am only 21

Currently paragon has sorted out all my other health problems i hope the update can address even more health related stuff and expand on what it can cure and also hormone related/testosterone/e2/hypogonadism/hpta axis/healing testes stuff

I know @Fire and @SaintSovereign aren’t miracle workers but this seems like my last option before having to take trt

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