@KingofClubz Limitless hahaha that’s a funny one for me. My mother is a genius and was famous for it in our town, so I got a slice of her intellectual prowess. Was always in gifted and talented class. It functions for me how I intend on Khan functioning for me.
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That’s great! Your mom is recognized as the town genius. Didn’t you mention her noticing the effects of KB?
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Oh, that one 
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Fourth cycle into KB, and I’m at KB2 now.
In picking this sub, I wanted something that increases power (so not as “defensive” as Sanguine). Something more low-key than Khan, but not as much as Emperor Black. And I think it is not about just being more socially successful, further in my career, or anything in particular. Something deeper, so not just Ascension. I wanted to wield power over fate itself, that I could achieve outcomes in accordance with my will, with the ability to impact reality, not just exist in it. Think Ascension Chamber, but more. Also I just needed more energy, so this is it.
I attribute the below results to KB.
I feel more “normal” on KB. It feels like I can interface directly with reality instead of through thick gloves or a glass wall (like using a touchpad that doesn’t quite work). I just: (i) pick what I think is the best thing to do in a given situation, do it, and (ii) it works. (i) itself is huge. That is worlds apart from doubting myself at every opportunity. But (ii) is bigger. I mean, there’s a difference between just feeling more confident and actually being more effective in everything you do. You can achieve the former in a number of ways - some better than others - but the latter is something special, even elusive. I can think of not much else beyond subs that could achieve this. It feels like a lot of problems I used to have are gone.
Perhaps a list helps more than a single description in the abstract. I noticed:
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Relative performance. I’m more effective sleep-deprived now than I was at baseline previously.
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Outcomes in reality. Mental certainty that is repeatedly being reinforced by the outcome of “it just works”. For instance, at work and elsewhere, I’m more comfortable stating my view and judgment, even if it might be wrong, with the certainty to back it up. Part of it is having less aversion to being embarrassed, wrong, etc. Yet, I shit you not but I’m wrong less often now. I haven’t gone all the way into the other extreme of simply confidently talking out of my ass (that is, regardless, not likely for me - if anything, I’m more likely to overthink something before taking a position). Objectively, I still think before I speak; subjectively, a reduction in overthinking almost feels like I’m being reckless, although I’m sure it’s just everyone else’s “normal”; practically, not sure how it works, but it does.
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Making things that were impossible no longer so. As stated, it feels like there are a lot of issues I used to have but which are now significantly alleviated, that I have to really sit and recall / think about what the differences are. These are issues I suspect no one else really has, the absence of which is so natural that it takes deliberate effort to imagine having them. For instance, I used to wonder how anyone could focus on a single task for more than five hours in a day - I can maintain a higher level of focus or concentration for a larger part of the day now.
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Baseline mental state. I feel like I can survive without Sanguine now - in my previous posts I wrote that Sanguine helped me significantly where a multitude of other solutions did not. I continued to use (or, at the start, depend on) it for the calm, anti-anxiety, etc. I’m mostly fine with or without it now. After a bit of running KB, I significantly de-emphasised Sanguine in my stack to bring KB to the fore, so to speak. Having the ability to even make that choice is a big accomplishment. Also, at one point I wrote in my journal that I wasn’t sure I’d make it to KB4. That feeling is now gone.
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Vibes. There is a book called “wisdom of psychopaths”, which loosely describes anything from murderers who spend their lives locked up, to surgeons who are calm in the midst of high stakes, special ops soldiers who are fearless despite anything thrown at them, etc. I am sure you do not need to be clinically diagnosed to display such traits, but regardless, legends abound of people who live life on their terms, unshackled by fear, self-doubt or sabotage, and able to wield their full potential in the face of whatever stands before them, or otherwise as they wish, not because or how others think they should. Part of it is the freedom to act the way you want to, not necessarily about doing what’s “optimal”. I feel KB has taken me much further in this direction than anything else I’ve tried. The vibes are just different after KB.
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Expansion of limits. I have always tried very hard to be “efficient”. For instance, if I had some material to study, I would always try to do it a bit faster and better than I’d normally be capable of, because I liked the feeling of doing a great job in less time than I expected. Now, this is a bit of a simplistic bruteforce solution that runs you into resource limitations, such as your mind not being able to keep up with the volume of information you’re trying to push through it. With the “smoothness” I described in the beginning above, it seems to have achieved this desired outcome (and I’m also not taxing myself as hard at any given moment).
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Immediate effects and beyond. This is a general comment on subs in general, not just KB, but I think it quite immediately provides a catalyst without costing you much in return. That’s huge. Consider this: let’s say you run a title, for instance a social title, but you sit around alone and do nothing, and the recon shreds you because you’re making no progress in anything that has to do with the title. Query: are you better off than before you started running the sub? You haven’t seen any success, nor even made an effort to do so. Yet, I believe, the answer is yes. Because you’re now inclined to do something about it. It’s having a fire lit under your ass. For some, vast amounts of mental effort are required to muster the motivation to do something about their life. For some, it takes a traumatic event to do so. For others, it takes a lifetime. Some never get to the starting line of even seeing something interesting happen to their lives. Yet with subs, you’re instantly placed at the starting line - if nothing else, you are at least made to confront who you really are, like something that just punches you in the soul and shows you who you really are. If you run away from that, again the recon shreds you, so if nothing else, you are already walking in the direction that takes you closer to the fabled “ZP”. Now, with KB, it does that but with the challenges and rewards uniquely available to KB, scaling up over time. I think it’s great.
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People treat me better at work, including some difficult personalities. It could be “the KB aura” or simply just slightly increased competence.
I didn’t do any specific spiritual or energetics development, or maybe I felt I didn’t need to.
So I started KB on 1 Jun and it’s been 74 days. Could I ask for more? Probably not. It doesn’t mean that everything is perfect. I didn’t get a job upgrade I was gunning for. But whether I’m happy with the rate of progress over 74 days, yes it’s good.
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Wasnt really happy with results of kb 1 so i put it off till the upgrade but now an unexpected friend “i been initiated into a tibetan lineage, i will show you exercises for energetic development” appears, so might as well get back into kb2.
@SaintSovereign could you tell us more on the sub you are working on for energetic development how will it be different to khanblack and what if one runs both of them?
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When will the upgraded Khan Black be out?
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I’ve done a KB run 2 cycles each. I’ve now completed it. I’m currently on a 30 day washout.
I planned to run KB4 until the updated KB comes out then going back through it from St 1. But since we’re so close I’m still on the fence, can I squeeze in another st1-4 at 1 cycle each before the updated KB arrives? If not I’ll plan to stick with ST 4 until the version drops.
Can you summarize a list of your results so far?
I think i rather take 3 or 2 cycle perstage this sub and seems safer for most people rather than quickly move through it due inherent dangers of having sexual blockages, and not expanded enough energy channels to move to st3 feels like a bad idea.
Will also do a drr4 with st1 kb as i feel drr covers even sexual healing better.
I’d done the first Alchemist and had a run through I think the first DR as well.
I did keep a journal. I did do 2 cycles per stage and originally planned on going back for 1 cycle per stage a second time. Due to the anticipation of the updated version, it leaves me questioning whether to ride out stage 4 or cycle through 1 more time as planned.
I didn’t encounter any sexual blockages. I even paired it up with new Primal for a double dose on that sexual healing angle. I’m sure it’s had profound changes, as I’ve had moments where I realize many of whatever sexual hang ups were gone and in their place just a sense of spaciousness.
For now my plan is to move back to Ascension to cover anything I missed by skipping over it. All I can say is I’m definitely a changed person after my journeys. I’ve had many insights. Learned a lot. Changed in ways I’m sure I’m probably not even aware of or could describe. That’s the thing about naturals, they can be the best at what they do and yet to describe it or teach it to you, they may not be able to. Or if they tell you their whole secret it may sound too simplistic and you haven’t had your awakening yet.
I think it’s like that. Even I try certain titles hoping to get what others report and yet it always has an individual to me flavor, and yet there are still many commonalities. I can say I don’t watch porn like I used to. Really don’t PMO like I used to. Dropped many sexual hangups and when I just do what needs to be done it’s like that’s when the energy I need comes and the focus and whatever.
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Sorry for my questtion but after a major program we need 30 days washout?
This is @Fire ’s domain. The title is strictly for cultivators and you wouldn’t want to run both at the same time.
The update to Khan Black is coming later and will reflect more of his original vision. Same experience, but with better results, plus NSE scripting to help you utilize the energy better.
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No. Periodically it was suggested that a long washout would be good. If you’ve read the guidelines that come with the titles, it says 5 day break between 21 day listening cycle.
I’ve been using subclub for years and the longest I ever took off was 2 weeks. Then I heard it’s good to take an extended break, there was no number. I decided on 30 as being a good number for me after all this time.
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Thank you for explaining this, I read the instructions on how to use the subs, but your post confused me because I didn’t understand the connection between 5 days and 30 days
Just wanted to note that in my experience with KB at 2 cycles per stage, first run through, stage 4 seems to have hit the hardest in terms of healing effects. For the most part it hasn’t been an intense experience or anything for me. Definitely a title I’d like to keep in my stack permanently for all the growth beyond just quitting PMO.
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I was lazy before with energy development but now im getting more into it, research stage then to be daily and regular, in about 3 weeks.
Should i wait for the new title, or start kb2 in few weeks as it seems sub that makes most sense with that practice.
Im on heavy healing atm 6th month of khan st1 and drred st3.
@SaintSovereign
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I have similar observation. Somehow, recon on KB4 seems to hit like a truck - I am sleepy, very irritable, very apathetic…and I ran it 5 min after 7 days forced washout which I took because of the same title. Has anyone experienced similar?
I only had some recon on KB2 which I ran the shortest. I ran KB1 for about 5-6 cycles, ST2 1 cycle and ST3 2 or 3 cycles.
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I tried KB St4 twice on a micro loop to see its effects, and wow, it was extremely dense in just 30 seconds. I eventually decided I wouldn’t switch to ST4 and would stick with stacking ST3.
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This may sound dumb or elementary. But Would Khan Black help against Oneitis-like responses?
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Ehhh… possibly as a side effect. There’s scripting to help prevent the waste of sexual energy (like constantly fantasizing, or craving porn) and I have noticed that scripting in play A LOT. Oneitis could fall under that category as a waste of sexual energy being directed at any one particular person.
The “alpha” titles would probably address this better.
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