Now am suddenly unsure. Someone will have to find the quote.
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Yes.
Anti recon scripting and adaptive scripting will be added but ZPU is an altogerher different build. So lots if new stuff will be added if you do the upgrade.
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Oh yes adaptive scripting actually might be woeth my while upgrading some of my customs from 2024 !!. Just to get the ZPU benefits.
Now back to the thread !! 
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This is from season 4 thread
SaintSovereignCo-Founder, Subliminal Club
All customs since June 1st.
EDIT: Yes, even name embedded majors.
It is now the default build, you will not have to pay any additional costs for it. And yes, Moon – we’ve been working on the thunder mask (and everyone else interested) and made some serious progress on that one and other masks.
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I can clarify the new custom builds are wicked and run smoother while having faster results in some manner
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Sorry dont mean to derail this thread so if i simply choose upgrade custom it will automatically be upgraded to zpu ? @Floridianninja
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Yes if you choose the Discounted rebuild it will upgrade any custom to ZPU build … i’ve done it with a custom i had
It was well worth it
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This is correct. All customs are now in the ZPU build.
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Oh wow, June 1st. Then I definitely need to do a few rebuilds.
- WDB + Summertime rebuilt as ZPU incoming.
- New IC + Daredevil in ZPU.
@SaintSovereign thanks for offering " BUILD: Discounted ZP Rebuilds"! Though I must say, the text on the page is confusing since it still talks about Qv2 and Ultima, alongside standard mask (but all customs are now solace mask right?) meanwhile I (and most others) are in the boat of upgrading ZPv2 (?) customs to ZPU.
One more question: If the older custom was ZPv2/pre-ZPU and we upgrade it to ZPU, safe to assume we can just continue at same duration as before?
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i ordered the ZPU upgrade to my core, primary custom subliminal. When it arrives, I plan to down-throttle on the time. Don’t know if it will be all the way to 15 seconds, but might be.
My thinking:
- Would you reject a million dollars because it came to you in a small envelope?
- Once you embrace them, microloops are actually extremely convenient. (Keep in mind that the point of microloops is not just to do them for no reason, but to play the program at the length that gives you the greatest benefit at this time. Around 2 weeks ago, I ran a ZPU at full loops earlier than I should have, and I experienced a little slap on the wrist. So that’s why I’m now thinking like this.)
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You’re better treating them as ZPU and starting light. I’m sticking to 15 sec to 1 for my current customs.
- No…
- Very true. My QL ST2 name-embed has been in ZPU the whole time. With that title, yes I was pretty careful in ramping it up. But I’m at 5 minutes now as of last run!
Yeah. I’ll take the safe approach and restart the durations for both of these titles at 30s before scaling up again.
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Nice!
How is the experience going?
We’re talking about the name-embedded (QL ST2 + EAS) ZPU right? It’s definitely upgrading my brain and especially how I relate to info around people. My point of running it isn’t just to get smarter and to be better at my job—I’ve intentionally paired it with social titles in my stack (all name-embeds):
- IC (now going to be IC + Daredevil ZPU)
- WDB + Summertime (soon to be ZPU)
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That sounds awesome. I have not run Quantum Limitless since 2022. I’m glad you’re getting the chance to run it. Your overall stack sounds stimulating.
I’m continuing my focus on wealth/vocation development and spiritual/ontological development. Locked in.
Well, vive le subliminal! I’m beat. Going to bed.
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I honestly never thought I’d run QL, but earlier this year I ideated it as an unorthodox solution to the social goals I’ve had. So far, it seems like I made the right choice.
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Few days into my washout from reforged. Went back and read through the copy last evening, and was pleasantly surprised with how many of the objectives are coming into place- a few of which have been major sticking points.
The biggest results, as saint mentioned started internally. Soverignty, better boundary setting and feeling more comfortable saying no. This was the big one for me. I’ve had an identity really built around being the fun/party guy in my social network, and have been really working on stepping out of that, as I have a strong desire for a year of sobriety (outside of special occasions), in order to stack capitol and get ahead in my career. Prior to reforged, I ran quite a bit of GLM which I think set the foundation; but I’ve finally been more vocal and convicted in communicating this to my friends, where prior to reforged I still had a major blockage and fear about how my friends and family would respond. It’s becoming a more natural change, and I feel I have less push back and more of an understanding that I am taking time to prioritize and focus on myself and my career. Massive win.
Something I overlooked with this title, is that the finance/wealth scripting, is actually pretty comprehensive with reforged. Reading through the modules again, my financial awareness, spending habits and financial discipline have improved- without much effort or willpower. I just feel more conscious of when I am spending money.
The bigger piece, is the financial intelligence/comprehension module. I work at a fairly complex SaaS company, and we offer a very diverse array of solutions. I believe 17 or 18, and they all felt pretty complicated as I didn’t come from a finance background, and so a lot of the prospects I was speaking to felt like I was trying to understand a foreign language regarding there day to day challenges and responsibilities.
Since running reforged, those challenges and how my company solves for them has became a lot more clear- just through engagement in prospect conversations and sales calls, and I’ve been able to take that and translate it into my own thoughts on linked in, which is becoming a strong lead gen source for me, as well as gaining visibility and credibility internally from leadership- confirmed/recognized through conversations I’ve had with my direct management.
I’m taking more steps and engagement with career advancement (like branding myself on linked in), building connections across different functions at my company, applying for new positions, and the work is definitely starting to pay off.
Many other results in other areas of my life, but wanted to highlight a few of the external results that are starting to manifest I found interesting as they feel almost similar to SB in a lot of sense cognition/status wise. This next cycle I am planning to add executive and TS when released, but with my increased Linked In focus, SB actually could be a strong fit as well.
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@SaintSovereign how does the social and inner power of emperor reforged compare to that of emperor will to power?
Wtp is savvy enough to deal wid toxic individuals without abandoning Ur own ethics.
How does a reforged emperor deal wid such individuals?
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From qOS:
You’ve already put your finger on the real distinction, so let me build on it.
Emperor: The Will to Power approaches social and inner power through understanding. Its center of gravity is a deep, almost forensic grasp of how power actually moves — how it’s acquired, expressed, and used, including when it’s being used on you. That’s where the savvy you mentioned comes from. It may help you read power dynamics clearly, recognize the moment an ally is setting you up, and see manipulation for what it is so you can sidestep it. It draws on the 48 Laws of Power framing to help you wield influence effectively but ethically — the copy is explicit that it doesn’t try to make you a saint or a sinner; it develops the kind of power people follow out of genuine admiration rather than fear. Its social layer is charisma, status, and magnetic presence built on that understanding. Think of its power as strategic clarity: you see the whole board.
Emperor Reforged approaches the same territory from a different direction — not strategy, but sovereignty. Its premise is that any power needing an opponent, an audience, or external proof to feel real is still being governed by something outside itself. So instead of sharpening how you read the field, it may develop the inner ground that stops leaking power into performance, resentment, comparison, and reactivity in the first place. Its social power is gravity rather than maneuvering — authority that’s felt before it’s explained, a presence that doesn’t need the room to kneel. Features like Power From Within and Invincibility Within speak to this: power as an internally sourced quality, and resilience as the capacity to be affected without being overthrown.
On how a Reforged Emperor deals with toxic individuals:
Where Will to Power hands you the savvy to out-read and out-navigate a toxic person, Reforged works a step earlier — it may quietly remove the grip such a person has on you at all. A toxic individual’s leverage usually depends on getting you to abandon your own ground: to perform, to defend, to match their temperature, to harden into bitterness. Reforged is built to keep you from doing that.
In practice, that may show up as:
- Holding your center under pressure — being affected by someone without being overthrown by them, taking the hit and returning to yourself rather than hardening into resentment.
- Clean boundaries — the capacity to say the difficult thing or hold the line without tightening around the outcome, so a boundary is simply stated, not fought over.
- Not chasing the room’s emotional temperature — you stop reacting to the drama a toxic person generates, which is often exactly the leverage they rely on.
- Discernment without contamination — you can take counsel, hear criticism, and stay open without borrowing your direction from the loudest or most manipulative voice in the room.
The ethics stay intact by a different mechanism than in Will to Power. Will to Power keeps you ethical by teaching you to apply power-reading responsibly. Reforged keeps you ethical because you’re never drawn into adopting the other person’s tactics in the first place — you deal with them by not abandoning your own sovereignty, rather than by beating them at their own game. Both titles also carry the same underlying orientation of respecting others’ free will and sovereignty, so neither is about dominating the toxic person — just refusing to be governed by them.
Which to reach for: If you want the sharper radar — spotting toxic dynamics early and navigating them with strategic precision — Will to Power is squarely aimed at that. If you want to become the kind of man a toxic individual simply can’t get a grip on, because your center doesn’t move, Reforged is the closer fit. Many find they complement each other well: the clarity to see the game, and the sovereignty to stay unmoved within it.
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Thanks saint. Heart
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