Lmao. The pun was unintended, I swear! 
@Melior where are you when we need you? 
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Again ā
There are plenty of measurable results here. You simply donāt like the way itās presented ā as peopleās personal experience rather than some kind of simplistic set of āhard data.ā But even if that data was provided, it could be completely falsified by the people self-reporting, not to mention that there are elements to subliminal audio that not even we understand.
Why does @Invictus have such high flow factor, higher than even myself, who creates the product? Please instruct us on how to even collect the proper data to determine why someone has higher flow factor than another. Could you ever collect the proper data to be able to predict who would have high flow factor?
Since we know flow factor exists, if person Aās PP grows 2 inches, but person Bās PP doesnāt grow at all, what was the ACTUAL reason for person Bās lack of results? Was it the subliminal scripting or the individualās āflow factor?ā
But what IS flow factor and what determines it? Perhaps it has something to do with a personās level of consciousness? Science canāt even define what consciousness is (the hard problem of consciousness) in the first place.
So, in a situation where simplistic data collection is not quite possible, the best indicator of your success on a title is the amount of people posting their successful in-depth experiences.
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When you write āand much moreā at the end of product descriptionsā¦ it now has a whole new meaning @SaintSovereign
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I think there are better sex toys out there than just common pen 
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Are you saying you donāt want to see a bunch of before and after dick pics?
Shame, I was just about to upload mine for starters.
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I always thought I had a really strong flow factor, noticing immediate changes after one loop, but that kind of tapered off as I started switching my sub stack a little too often.
I blame shiny object syndrome, and how excellent so many of SubClub titles are.
But @Invictus is built different. He assimilates subliminals like no one Iāve ever seen on this forum or any other for that matter, and I lurk on most of the big boys.
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You havenāt even ran the title and youāre already critiquing it based on measurable resultsā¦ There are no results to report or measure, it hasnāt even been out for a full 24 hours
I am always open to challenging the norms (ask anyone here) but I feel like this message just shouldnāt of been sent.
Subliminal results are based entirely on the individuals perception of their reality. Obviously we arenāt going to have double blind, placebo controlled peer reviewed studies determining whose dick grows and whose dick doesnāt grow.
Just run the sub and see what happens 
Highly recommend using a penis pump, make sure you get adequate nutrition for growth, and get good sleep (thatās how things on the human body grow)
I actually think this is almost impossible especially with something as unique as ZP. How can you possibly have consistent data on something that so unique to YOU, as we are all so different. Their is to many variables that go into this giving us much different journeys on these subs. Current Baseline, knowledge(leading to taking the right action) to allow the subs to express even faster. For some people on emperor literally being able to wake up when their alarm clock rings would be an amazing result to get the ball rolling. While another person on emperor elevates his current business from 5k a month to 10k a month ETC. We all have such different circumstances, beliefs, habits , goalsā¦
How could you possibly even gather consistent data on such a unique thing?
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Kind of agree with @Salchichon, the same way we have clear measurable criteria to go from Q to ZPv2, the same way we should be able to share, at some point later maybe not now, measurable improvement for dick size. And asking on average how much the eggplant will increase, why is it unreasonable? Not saying that should prevent someone to use it, but I think it is not far fetch to ask. Friday did report but I dont think many people did it.
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Will there be a women version dropping of this? BPLM, the augmentation of the avocado?
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Revelation of Penis
This is incredible.
Can this be stacked with LOTS?
Also does this help with penis/reproductive health and image aside from size?
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Guys, I do not know the intricacies of how these different methods of delivery of subliminal messages work.
However, if you say you tested, it must be some kind of clear improvement that can be attributable to use a subliminal that attempt to improve whatever idea/attitude, etc(yes, difficult to assess, it is intrinsically subjective but no all).
Here, there is a product that attempt to change length and girth of a penis. So, how difficult is this??? Everyone is hidden behind a nickname. I donāt know who the creators are.
It is really that difficult to say something like this āWe expose 10 males with ages ranging between 20 and 40 yo, with no other methods for penis enlargement, to x pattern of listening over a period of x weeks. 8/10 had show an average of increase in length of xx cm and girth of xx cmā
I do not see my question as āhereticā. But discrediting something easily assessable makes that all this is simply sad. However, everyone is free to think whatever they want.
Sad but true! At least to me.
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Actually someone else said it first:
And the one who said it first after the announcement was a woman!
Deep thoughts: Does this program have an aura? If so, it is called aura of penis?
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The aura must be Big Dick Energy.
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Iāve already answered this sufficiently. Wait for people to post their results. Every time we try something new, someone comes along with their āskepticism,ā demands something, refuses to listen to what weāre saying (which youāre doing, because youāre not actually responding to what Iām saying, just repeating the demand) and ends up getting proven wrong. Then, of course, they vanish into the ether, never again to admit that they were wrong.
We donāt what the title is or isnāt capable of yet, only that it is capable of achieving the target goal in some form. We know this because it shares the exact same scripting base as Legacy of the Spartan. If something can be enhanced manually, like lifting weights or doing PP exercises, it can be done subliminally.
Point blank. We know this because weāve done this for years now, and you donāt get to negate that though a poor usage of claiming that weāre using argumentum ad verecundiam (appeal to authority) to make our case. The fact that the same process to use LotS was used to make this was an inference, not a ādeflection.ā And when youāre talking about a product whose main method of action is modifying the consciousness, you are going to have to work using intuition and inference mixed with data insights.
If you donāt want it, donāt buy it. Wait for results. If you want to continue to argue it, move it to another thread.
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essentially meaning, hey guys lets not judge, lets measure our ppās first! haha
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Yes, I donāt know why suddenly the process weāve used for years to refine and enhance our products is suddenly an issue. We use a logical process when building products. We built a purely physical shifting product first (Legacy of the Spartan) to see if our approach to physical shifting works. It does. We realized that anything that can be changed by manual effort (like going to the gym, or PE exercises) can also be accelerated and enhanced through subliminal use. The customers report back, we enhance the products over time and they become stronger and stronger. It really isnāt a hard concept to understand.
People are just handwaving away other peopleās results as āsubjectiveā without any real rationale of which are being handwaved away. In my opinion, thatās the more irrational process, because youāre just choosing which results to accept and which ones to reject based off internal emotion, not an actual set of criteria designed to select the BEST results. Then, they project their own internal BS on us by claiming weāre the ones doing it, rofl.
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The next person to āflagā one of my posts gets a 1-day ban. You are in the house that @Fire and @SaintSovereign built. You donāt flag us.
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