How I've had better results with SubClub subs than years of therapy

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First off, I’m not completely knocking therapy. It has its place, but the model is absolutely outdated and needs to be revamped. Literally almost 3 sessions is just paperwork, basic questions, the therapist getting to know you and your history and you trying to trust the therapist enough to open up.

For those who don’t know the general background, I went through prolonged and severe child abuse that included significant violence against me, and my Mom. I had a 100% chance of having PTSD by my early 20’s. Truth is I had it when I was a child but I’m an earlier GenXer and all throughout the 70’s and 80’s and well into the 90’s they didn’t realize children would get PTSD from child abuse. Heck, PTSD wasn’t even really a known thing until sometime in the later 80’s or early 90’s.

Back to therapy, it seems to take a few therapy sessions to even get to important stuff and then … you are taught to MANAGE your problems in many cases and rarely get to the root cause, let alone heal the root cause.

I’ve gone through therapy for about 5 years. Not all at once but I would say over 9 years. I went for two and a half years solid and most of that was 2 sessions per week with breaks for Holidays, therapist time off here and there, but mostly 2 sessions per week. Which is rare to get that much therapy that close together.

I went through DBT therapy for those two and a half years. 1 session was group therapy (this is how you really learn how to utilize DBT) and the other was with my individual therapist. Most of the other therapy I went through before DBT was mostly CBT, which DBT uses along with Mindfulness and tons and tons of different techniques to manage your problems.

It was during the DBT years that I decided to really get into Buddhism and meditation. I use to go to a local Buddhist temple on a regular basis and took classes. That was completely my choice and no one else was doing it in my group.

Anyway, I learned many good techniques that I still use to this day, both from therapy and from the Buddhist teachings. Meditation has helped. So did therapy to a decent extent. But again, there wasn’t much that healed the root causes of things, especially from the therapy. A little from the Buddhist teaching I learned, and that took repeated work.

How do the SubClub subs compare? I won’t go through my journey so far (almost one year now) but I’ve used DRReg (very helpful); GLM; Summertime and PEACE (only 9 loops so far). I genuinely love all these titles.

I do think PEACE will become my favorite, but so far DRReg is my fave and overall had the most significant effect on calming my nervous system. But honestly I used it longer too because I got immediate results and they just got better over time.

I would have to boil it down to the fact that the subs (especially DRReg) have taken my baseline (my parasympathetic nervous system) to a much more calm level. Even with all that therapy I still would get triggered fairly easily, but I was on edge a lot also. Essentially my fight-or-flight response (also freeze and fawn) and my parasympathetic nervous system was hyper-alert all the time and wouldn’t go off line and let me rest. Sure meditation helped but that would be temporary.

So I’m not quite at a year yet (that will be November 21) and I’ve had tremendous calming of my parasympathetic nervous system allowing my resting baseline to much calmer than it used to be.

BTW, I didn’t always have the severe PTSD problems overtaking my entire life. It was always there but only flared up under extreme circumstances. Years and sometimes take their tolls. I had made some good money. I had a very good life. There were setbacks and I’d claw my way back but then a bunch happened at once and virtually my entire life was flipped upside down and I didn’t have much left including someone I deeply loved and built a life with.

But I’m a phoenix emerging from the ashes and will not take no for an answer from life. But I’m not going to fight it either. I did that. It’s a natural response and it doesn’t work. Not in the long run.

You just have to heal in the ashes and then rise above it all when you have the strength. That’s what I’m doing with the help of SubClub subs and techniques I’ve learned over the years in therapy and life.

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#2

Because subs actually land in your subconscious where all the trauma/ptsd lives.

Therapy is talking to someone, and don’t get me wrong, talking to someone helps but it’s just nowhere near the same.

Glad to hear your story that you’re getting better :slight_smile:

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#3

beautiful to read brother! so incredible that you’ve been targetting what really matters the most to you with subliminals and not just going down the trauma-based-status-seeking pathways that so many people seem to go through.

I’ve never dived deep into healing like you have but I do month long sprints of healing once a year and it dramatically increases the quality and consistency of my results, and life in general gets better and easier when I do. Unfortunately I work in such a high performance field that i don’t normally feel like I have the ability to slow down to speed up, you know, I don’t want to perform slower at work this month even if I would perform better all year because of it. Now I have a custom with Essence: Inner Spa in it so that I can slowly but steadily chip away at the chaotic mess that is my nervous system.

One thing I’ve found works really well for me for my nervous system is TRE, which I learned from this forum! It was brought up many times as a way to accelerate subliminal results, but if you look at it as an individual practice, it directly addresses the nervous system, trauma, embodiment, somatic release, meditation/mindfulness, etc.

It seems to be the best practice out there for dealing with C/PTSD especially

Would highly recommend checking it out, especially now that you’ve built a baseline with Regeneration!

VIdeo is great, and the r/longtermtre subreddit is a wealth of info & stories

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Just to add some crucial info: with PTSD, make sure to start really slow and careful and read the wiki on r/longtermTRE first.

Some people with PTSD might be too sensitive to TRE and it can give them nasty side effects which is why it’s recommended to start with much shorter sessions (as little aa 30s once a week) and be more careful than ordinary people.

I like that TRE is getting some love here.

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#5

Definitely… good call

I was thinking about a more stable place from the regeneration run, but as a general rule for PTSD, you always start extremely slowly.

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#6

Man I forgot about TRE. Dr Berceli has improved that significantly over the years. I was introduced to it in the early 2000s but my life was pretty decent back then and I dropped it after a few months.

I should look at that again because it would be a nice tool to add to my routines.

Thank you for sharing that.

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#7

Absolutely and thank you for sharing that. What makes it worse is I have CPTSD and BPD (which BPD is just a BS catchall because they still don’t know how to deal with the more complex issues).

But yeah, I can attest to problems when I started getting therapeutic massages due to stress. Even my Chiropractor warned me of potential effects, but luckily I never had an issue with it with a Chiropractor.

PTSD sucks. :crazy_face:

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#8

Again thank you for this comment. A quick funny little story. The first part is a quick background. I was raised, in my younger years, by a father who was a full patch member of a notorious biker gang. I was raised in an overly alpha male society for a few years.

So I’m often turned off by most “alpha male” stuff because most is complete BS. I wasn’t used to SubClub yet and ignored ALL status and especially the alpha male stuff. But I kept reading people’s comments about GLM and some things grabbed me so I looked into it and thought, damn this could really help so I went for it and love it.

But I ignored GLM because I was biased and thought it was just fake alpha male stuff. LOL.

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#9

Great post and insight.

One point to add in is that with subliminal, we are all consciously choosing the titles we want and need to hear. It is active rather than passive.

Regarding TRE, @Jouissance @Forexpreneur Can you recommend your favourites TRE videos that you have been doing?

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#10

Jouissance linked the one with exercises

you do the exercises, then you lay down to tremor (you aren’t the one doing tremoring, the body does it). Only tremor time counts as session

after a couple of weeks, you can drop the exercises and go straight to tremoring

make sure to read this first: https://www.reddit.com/r/longtermTRE/wiki/index/

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#11

Yep TRE is the good stuff. Just make sure to take it slow and steady, just like microlooping with subs

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#12

To a large extent this is true, but it depends on the modality and tools that the therapist uses. There is a very specific tool (I think it’s being referred to as a modality now) called Memory Reconsolidation that is very effective.

It absolutely gets to the root of the problems IF the therapist is really good at it. There are not enough therapists who are really good at it so I utilize a gentleman out of England for it. I’m in the US so we do it via an app. Problem is, he is quite booked so I don’t get that many sessions with him.

EMDR is very good also but is difficult to find a therapist who is really effective with it also.

But overall, you’re correct and that’s the problem with most therapy. Most are still using outdated methods and the entire industry needs an overhaul with its model.

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#13

I’d say the problem with these modalities is that they don’t tackle inherited trauma which you might not even be aware of but it still affects your life

I’d say one should definitely do TRE if they can handle it. And if not, then EMDR and other techniques which are milder but more manageable for highly sensitive people

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#14

You really do have to find the right therapist. Unfortunately like most things here in the US it’s greed and lack of healthcare that will set you back. CBT and DBT is the darling of insurance companies because it gets you up and running and back into the machine. They’ve been twisted and in the hands of an incompetent therapist just turn into glorified gaslighting.

Also you’d think people who get into therapy occupations are good people right? Not always! Some like the power trip of being able to control a vulnerable person and get money. It can attract a certain type of narcissist or sociopath.

So I’d def agree it needs a major overhaul. It’s not the one and done solution others with less severe issues make it out to be. It can just as easily drain your bank account and offer nothing in return or make you worse.

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#15

Agreed. That’s the thing that got me about DBT and I would ask, “these tools are great but what about lessening the triggers? When do we learn that?”

Of course the answer is, “over time these techniques will lessen the severity of the triggers.” But of course that doesn’t happen because it isn’t working on the triggers like they claim.

One of the things you learn is imaging, which I was already familiar with from competitive sports, so I bought into it. But the catch is, trauma is a very different beast compared to sports. PTSD is the absolute most primitive part of the brain convinced that your life is in danger. That’s like attempting to calm a cornered tiger down with talk therapy. Isn’t going to work. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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#16

That primal brain is stubborn and real quite, but it frickin remembers everything

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#17

OMG does it ever. And when it wants you to take care of trauma it doesn’t always make sense but it demands it.

There are no triggers or details that no one wants to hear with this story, I promise, but when I was in my early 20’s I started to have a reoccuring nightmare (I promise there are no triggers).

All this nightmare was, was me as a very young boy walking in a hallway towards a door. I felt a presence next to me but couldn’t see anyone. I walk to a door like you’d see in a typical bedroom or room in a home, I reach to open it and I would wake up in terror, sometimes actually screaming but I didn’t see anything and nothing happened. That was the entire nightmare.

Doesn’t sound like much and it didn’t start out instantly happening every night. But it progressed in frequency to where it was almost every night. I became afraid of going to sleep because of the nightmare.

I couldn’t get help either. I was in my super early 20’s. I didn’t have insurance that covered therapy and one therapy session was equivalent to about 12 hours of work before taxes. I hunted around. I made too much money to get help from my State’s Community Health Services.

One asked “are you a drug addict or an alcoholic” and I said “no but if I don’t get help I will be” and honest to God they said “you can can back to see us if you do become one”. WTF? :face_with_thermometer:

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#18

I’d go so far as to say CBT and DBT can be harmful if your main defense mechanism is heavy intellectualization and limited feeling. CBT has a tendency to frame things as “are you sure that’s an appropriate response for the situation?” Great now I can’t trust my intuition even more lol. And if you’ve ever been early about a crappy situation or person and it all unfolds later after someone told you you’re being dramatic, you understand why that type of cognitive framing can hurt more than help.

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#19

Amen to to that. Luckily my individual therapist was very good. After time we worked on that hard stuff and I came to peace with it as best as I could.

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