It’s been said many times that mere words are not the only things that make SC products what they are. There’s a good chance that listening to binaurals, Solfeggio tones, fields, or whatever else you might want to use actually would have a detrimental effect because of whatever else they have already put into the audios.
You’re welcome to experiment, but you should not try to convince others that you are correct and the official company representative is wrong… that never goes over well here.
And although you were being facetious, you were right… this is not a democracy. This is a private forum operated by a private company, and each of us is here because they are permitting us to be. And if you piss them off by trying to convince people they can do something which they’ve specifically been told they cannot do by official sources, you will find yourself no longer here.
And don’t consider me some blindly obedient fanboy… I love the idea of combining entrainment with subs for faster delivery, but given that me doing so wouldn’t affect their sales… the official line of do not do it is doubtless based on information that I do not have, so I will heed it.
I definitely think your statement makes sense, surely brainwave entrainment would help assist the processing of the subliminals. It would be interesting then, to ask the Support Center on why it can’t be mixed. If the answer is unsatisfactory, then you are free to experiment by yourself and see if it works even better; proving your hypothesis. That would overall be useful to members of the community and even the developers. If the answer is satisfactory, then it no longer becomes an issue to wonder about it.
I do believe that the technology being used here is very different from the subliminals you are used to, with the developers already considering the idea of using such technology to enhance their products. Since they have not implemented it, there’s good reason to believe that it’s not as beneficial as it seems. I do enjoy the idea but following recommendations has served the community well. It is powerful technology, using those kinds of things improperly may even hurt you.
If this is not a democratically oriented forum and it is not possible to express one’s opinion freely here, then it is a dictatorial and sectarian forum. I would just like to dispute your claim about the private nature of this forum, because anyone can register here except the black forum. However, if you insist, I will leave this forum of the dictatorial and sectarian society as soon as possible and will not use its products because I do not trust such an organization in every way.
I did not write my post to convince people here to mix different products from subliminalclub.com with other technologies. I therefore wrote this as an idea for possible future improvements to subliminalclub.com products. I would just like to ask people to use their own reason. I argued with the moderator because he said we shouldn’t mix it. When I asked him what logical arguments he had for his assertion, I did not receive a reasonable answer and wrote that he would close the thread. Then a Mr. Blackice writes to me here that democracy does not work in this forum and it is a private forum of a closed society. I registered for it normally. But if the truth is, I have no desire or reason to be in a dictatorial sect.
You can definitely express your opinion, just be mindful that there are consequences for it. You’re free to go into a McDonalds and start shouting that hamburgers are murder, the food is unhealthy, etc. You are free to do that… just don’t be surprised when you’re made to leave.
Private refers to ownership, rather than access… anyone can walk into (access) a place of business, but the owners can have you removed and bar you from returning if you cause a big enough issue.
To clarify, the problem isn’t that you have an idea for your own use of subs… that’s great. The issue is publicly stating that the official response is wrong, simply because you disagree.
A more useful response would have been to acknowledge the warning, and then restate your experimental intent. eg “I understand the stated risks, I’m comfortable with it and will test it for myself anyway.”
To which, no doubt, several people would sincerely wish you luck, and ask you to share your results… good or bad.
It’s possible that democracy doesn’t mean what you think it does… we didn’t elect the owners of this company, we’re not shareholders, so ultimately they listen to and grant our requests at their own discretion. (which, FWIW, they are fantastic at doing…) They created something and have granted us the privilege of using it. Thus, they own the forum and they have the final say in what is and what is not allowed here. There have been several inflammatory posts/dicsussions here recently, and your replies to @RVconsultant were starting to sound similar to things that got people banned.
I was making the point as a friendly warning, nothing more.
Your input is definitely appreciated! However, you do come off as sounding too authoritative on the matter rather than stating it just being a personal opinion. You also argued with a moderator that asked a question that you avoided to answer and well, sent a Bruce Lee quote that seems condescending. He wished to close the thread due to it veering off from it’s intended purpose.
I would like to state your opinion is allowed as long as it’s not stating anything definitive that goes against recommendations. If you were to state for example, listening to Qv2 subliminals 24 hours is fine and recommend others to consider doing so, well, not a great idea. @BLACKICE is right, this is a private company that allows freedom of access but reserves the right to moderate the forum as they wish. And they are rather lenient in cases where discussions may be fruitful in providing insight.
It isn’t a democracy, no online forum anywhere on the Internet is. If you could vote on decisions made in the company, I would say you’re in a democracy. Alas, you are not. Same applies to Facebook, Instagram, Youtube, etc. I do think however you may be struggling to understand this concept, shown by your lack of courtesy with yet another quote! Perhaps the forum isn’t suited for you if you wish to show such disrespectful behavior to members of the community as well as a moderator who is trying to help you. This isn’t what this community is about. May your journey be well, maybe you’ll find this rare company where you can state whatever you wish and not face any issues whatsoever!
listen dude i hate censorship and all this tyranny going on over twitter and big tech and all that slavery thats going
i hate when i cant voice my opinion cuz some 400 pound person would think that i AM the harm to their health spreading what so called “misinformation” or whatever
feels like 1984 right ?
but. i think you should you try to be more understanding and more kind to RV, i dont think he meant to challenge you and go about like this way :
"WERE RIGHT AND YOURE WRONG’
i think he was genuinely asking you, why make it a big deal?
SubClub subs primitive. Funniest thing I’ve heard all day.
Love the Bruce Lee quote as an answer, it’s perfect. Too bad you had to start bashing RVC afterwards.
BlackIce is correct in saying that there’s more going on in the subs already. Consider that people like hypnotists and therapists are able to use nothing but words to trigger altered states. Or how there are techniques where different stories are told in each ear, causing the conscious mind to zone out because it can only follow one while the subconscious takes over because it can handle both.
So it is perfectly possible for the subs to induce changes in brainwaves, including synchronization. I suppose I could use my EEG and see if they change as I’m listening, but my brainwaves are unusual to begin with (I’m primarily theta-dominant).
I believe Ultima was written to specifically induce shifts in the brain.
As far as closing this thread and freedom of speech goes, I’ve just seen people refer to slavery, Hitler and obesity, so I think there’s a line somewhere still reeling from being crossed so fast. I might just follow up on it and indeed close this one.
That said, the subject has been written of many times. These are 2 specific ones, one of them mine:
It’s right up there with “should we meditate while listening to subs?” and I know that at least one of our more prominent members does just that every morning for an hour.
I would agree with the premise that if subs do nothing else but speak affirmations it would be beneficial to add brainwaves. But professional subs, not just limited to SubClub’s, do so much more. So there’s no saying what the effect might be of adding brainwave entrainment.
What I can say is that it’s a safe bet to assume that Saint & Fire have experimented and considered it. In the end, I believe they either came to the conclusion that they can achieve the same effect without using binaurals, or that forcing people into certain states would make the subs less accessible since they would have to warn not to run subs while driving or performing physical activities and working.
For example, with Mind’s Eye, saint noted that they replaced the Supercharger line with Ultima because Ultima was just as capable of state-shifting as the guided meditations were.
Anyways, if you are going to do it, try it on alternate days or even weeks. I suspect that even though it may feel nicer, in the end it doesn’t make any difference as far as progress goes. Or the difference is so small it’s just not worth it.
For the record, I’ve run subs with brainwave entrainment in alpha and theta, biofields and Solfeggio frequencies. Nothing jumped out as making the subs better.
You can rest easy knowing that we’ve tested everything there is out there. At this point, we are far beyond anything you can find - in fact, we have been innovating ever since Subliminal Club was created.
And we aren’t going to be taking a step back.
It’s quite interesting how people have a problem with basic human decency on forums.
I invite you to go ahead and check out the different forums and communities on the Internet. You’ll find communities that are vastly different from the one we’ve created here - communities that let toxic individuals run rampant, allowing them to abuse others with impunity.
This isn’t such a place.
We’ll happily suspend and stop doing business with individuals who are toxic or rude, even if such individuals will then turn around and call us “dictatorial”.
We want to create a community that can freely share knowledge, profound secrets and discuss matters that can transform individuals and take them to ever-greater heights. I like to call it the “campfire idea” - because at the campfire friends can sit down and talk about the greatest mysteries, share stories and help each other transcend all limitations.
But the moment an individual comes barging in, stomping on the campfire and spitting on the people sitting around it - that is when they are escorted out.
Personally, I’m a bit surprised at the replies you’ve posted in this thread and the flippant attitude you’ve exhibited. I’ve found the previous posts you’ve created in the community to be well-measured, calm and helpful. You’ve also seen the rare situations with abusive individuals that we had in the past, so you know very well what I’m talking about and you’ve seen how we approach things.
Ultimately, it is your choice. If you believe this is something you cannot abide by, you are free to find another subliminal company. If you’d like to stay, you are welcome to do so, as long as you are respectful like you were before.
As for your question about brain frequencies/waves, here is a tiny sneak peek into an excerpt from something we’ve been working on in the background:
An interesting concept - listening to frequencies that will gradually shift your mental state.
We naturally, throughout our days and nights, shift our brain state to that state which is most appropriate and useful for the situation.
During sleep, our brainwave frequencies naturally get slower allowing for proper sleep.
Same occurs during meditation - the brain’s frequencies get slower while still keeping conscious awareness.
So wouldn’t it be useful to be able to get into a more deeper state that allows for higher creativity for example?
Not necessarily.
The different brain states are there for a reason. There is no great benefit in attempting to stay in a deep state throughout your day (especially considering it is a temporary state) - only if you were to listen to them during meditation, deep work or some spiritual practice. Here there is some benefit as it can allow you to enter into a deeper state allowing for more deep-level work if you know what you are doing - but it is important not to use these as a crutch to replace lack of skill and practice. Instead, use it to train and build experience in those deeper states, and then achieve them on your own.
Now to continue - the higher brain states are there for a reason, so attempting to replace them with a deep state for every moment in your day is going to be counterproductive.
Furthermore, our subliminals naturally, when it is needed, guide your brainwaves to the optimal state needed for processing and execution of the subliminal. You cannot consciously know when you need to be in a specific mind state that is currently needed for optimal processing and execution, and consequently listen to the needed brain frequency.
You can’t, but your subconscious can.
In other words, by listening to external brainwave frequencies you are potentially throwing off balance not just your natural brain state rhythm, but also the one that the subliminal is guiding you towards.
All in all - they can have some limited use, but we recommend not utilizing brainwave frequencies as it can mess with the natural rhythm and the guidance of our subliminals.
As a side note, utilizing brain frequencies in subliminals is basically a gimmick that quite a few subliminal producers/companies love to use. Developing and innovating actual subliminal technology is an incredibly expensive and extensive process (when doing it correctly), but any subliminal producer or company can always just add brainwave frequencies, claim it is therefore special and call it a day. However, even the most basic but properly made subliminal will guide your state naturally and in a much more effective manner than brain frequencies.
