@Fire and @SaintSovereign
2 questions about this, if you have time!
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Would new Wanted (2025) be fine to run alongside new Paragon in a stack?
Wanted contains physical shifting, but I’m guessing comparatively light vs (e.g.) Spartan or LOTS? -
I’m a bit confused with regards how I might put Paragon into a 2-core custom.
In my revised stack, I’d like to run a stack of two customs with 2 cores each (and a small selection of modules).
For the other custom, it’s easy to see how titles can be paired for synergy (for example Emperor and EE, or Genesis: Mogul and Limitless: Raikov, or WDB & DD: True Social)
But Paragon is healing, and aside from physical shifting (which isn’t recommended) or emotional healing, it seems most other titles are very different with different goals.
So should Paragon be run in its own separate custom?
Or could I run it in the same custom with, for example, Wanted or Limitless: RAIKOV and still have an effective custom?
Very soon. We had to finish the new instructions before launching the rest of the Paragon suite.
Question about recon on this title.
I gave paragon to my mum that is working on her health. I am asking because she is not very aware of her inner world and cant tell if she is experiencing recon. The rest day after her first 30 second loop she started getting some pain in her foot. She’s now on her second rest day after another 30 second loop yesterday and it has gotten worse.
This may be completely unrelated to the subliminal as she is very active and might have some more strain than usual. Although wondering if its plausible that some of the features such as increased communication with body, energy and nervous system work may have revealed pain that she had been ignoring before. For context it has been a common trend for her to overexert and I am usually telling her to take more rest, hence why I think it could be a recon symptom. I will reduce her exposure to 15 seconds and give her a rest day as a hedge incase.
I am not running this title so I have no way to tell for her. Would appreciate some insights.
As for blooms she is sleeping better already wich was an issue for her, and she feels her menopause symptoms are easing slightly. she is very happy about that.
The recon I feel using Paragon is really strong
And haven’t heard from @Fire why the pressure in the forehead?
It was not present in the older version.
I’m sure there’s a good reason for it.
Maybe I’m missing something from the description?
But I’m not sure
Other users mentioned it as well. That’s why I’m curious .
I don’t think it should be a problem as micro loops probably will take care of it until it stops?
I was actually thinking this as well
This new version is definitly denser compared to the old one
I mean, Saint stated that ZPU titles are much stronger. To the point of reducing the max of subs per listening day back to two.
And about the pressure in the forehead, it was the point convincing me to add it to my anti ADHD custom. Because I feel the rewiring at work.
So wait not to listen to 3 subs a day? I thought we should if it’s the anti-recon tech?
ZPU is still on its way no? Meaning paragon isn’t zpu
Paragon is still ZP (just checked to be sure).
But we’re getting closer.
Maybe after the the Revelations?
And as it seems now, ZPU will be so powerful, that three titles on a listening day would be to much. So they reduced the recommendation to 2-1 instead of three.
So like in the old days, 2 titles on one listening day, 1 on the next listening day, repeat.
Paragon is early ZPU.
Follow the listening pattern in the new instruction manual: http://instructions.subliminalclub.com
If I have some health issues, I have gone to many doctors and did many tests and nothing showed up, I have Eno idea what is the cause of my problems so I have no actions to take, can I just use Paragon and it will heal my issues?
You know we can’t answer that question. You’ll have to test to find out – but proceed with caution and keeping up with all medical appointments and the such.
It is unlikely that this is the direct result of Paragon. Since she does not have conscious access to her inner world (which is more common than you’d think, so it’s not a failing on her part), she likely didn’t register that Paragon has a very calming and energizing effect, overdid it and when she rested the next day, the effects of overexertion revealed itself. Similar to those days at the gym when you workout very hard and can sense that you’re going to be very sore the next day.
EDIT: Please let her know this – not to assume that feeling good in the moment means she’s healed and can proceed with overexertion.
I just want to know if it’s worth a spot in my stack, since I’m limiting myself to only 2 titles.
If you think it can’t help me I will just continue my stack of C&C + WDB, if the healing from Paragon can help somehow, I will add it instead of one of those titles.
Thanks 
Since I’m not a doctor, I am not legally qualified to give any recommendation regarding medical treatments
Though, if I was in your situation, I’d try anything that could possibly help.
And even more when there’s 30 days to get a discount if it doesn’t help ^^
Don’t start with 5 minutes, start with 30 seconds.
Haven’t seen complaints on this. Remember, running Paragon (or any title) doesn’t immunize you from things that just happen in life. Sometimes a headache is just that, a headache. Still, start off slow with 30 seconds.
It’s common for people to start feeling better, then immediately make themselves worse by pushing ahead and overusing the fact they feel better. Once you feel better, even though it’s tempting to immediately start doing things - rest. It needs time to integrate. And this isn’t strictly related to subs either.
Hello Fire thank you for taking your time to reply.
I felt and it know for sure it’s from Paragon after examining it further it is only on days I used the new Paragon.
As mentioned others felt the same as you can see
I had no health problem related to my brain.
And I I’m trying to understand why would this happen.
That’s why I’ve asked because it’s not a comfortable sensation.
Also it seems it hit me at certain this of listen.
Like something in the script after the 20 seconds
Probably something in the script between the 1-2min mark
Meaning it comes from something there…
Not saying if it’s bad or good or even a problem, just an observation.
Also I don’t suffer from any headaches ever.
Thank you for taking your time to read this.
If you can answer it would be great.
Taking into consideration we talk about a healing title you might not be able to reply in a direct way and that’s ok too
Just to clarify: I wasn’t complaining. I know my prefrontal cortex needs healing, so this was more than welcome. There was nothing unpleasant about the experience. Even with longer exposure, the feeling was stronger but not to the point of being unpleasant.
I even plan to use Paragon specifically because of this experience in a custom.
I feel like Paragon looks for the most pressing issue and tackles it. For me, it’s my ADHD including my prefrontal cortex.
Yes it’s worth it for like 1 or 2 cycles if only for peace of mind.
Seems like you’re concerned about your health, if you run it, then that concern will go away or be weakened, which gives you more mental energy to be the Wanted Dream Boy.
I’m all for closing the loop. Just run a cycle, see if you like it.
If nothing else the energetic component will help you with C&C and WDB.