In my opinion, no it’s not. Skills help being developed because of the manifestations that happen which allows them to improve and excel.
When HoM was released, we did not have the product library that we do now and with every title, we had to force a lot of the same content into it in order to provide a consistent experience. As the product library grew, we no longer needed to do this and could focus on providing more features that are directly relevant to those titles – since people had more options to stack with.
There are many titles to stack with C&C – almost everything, especially anything to do with wealth acquisition, career, entrepreneurship, sales – synergizes completely with it. Any stack or custom, or major name embed that adds social scripting to C&C would flourish, as the adaptive scripting latches on to it and you’d see immediate results.
C&C is intended to be the engine, the powerhouse of the stack. It’s focus is on effectiveness and power, and it does have social scripting. There are two Inner Circle features listed. And to add anything else means taking something away, as C&C is already pushing the boundaries between a standard major title and an artisan line title.
So, which of the amazing features in C&C should be removed for a somewhat nebulous notion of “relationship,” of which can be replaced through any number of avenues – a Major Title Name Embed, a stack spot, etc.?
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Not getting too far OT but manifestations are at least in part a question of perception and personal filter.
The subconscious gets a gazillion more sensoric impressions/informations than what it “hands over” to the consciousness. Part of manifestation is changing this filter.
That is why e. g. self-worth is so important: If a financial opportunity doesn’t fit with your self-image the subconscious will file it under “not worthy” and won’t hand it over.
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If Subliminal Club has a unspoken catchphrase, what would that catchphrase be? Take action. Nothing can manifest if there is no pathway of expression. This has always been a cornerstone of our titles. Manifestation is there still there, as always, but it is not emphasized because we are not promoting “imagining things into existence” in the way that you see online. Action is necessary, then the manifestation scripting can work.
Given that you created a successful endeavor in 7 months, I am confident you can understand my position. Yes, manifestation always helps, but it was action that leads to results.
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I completely agreed with you @SaintSovereign and is what me and someone else on the forum here talked about privately. It’s the whole reason you saw the discussion about how we hope EoG: True Sell will manifest as many leads as possible. If no action is taken then there’s no results but the whole point in my experience of manifestations and what I’ve experienced and others have is that the manifestation component is what allows for maximum action leading to the best/most results. It’s one of the biggest driving factor to me having high flow factor on my current stack I’ve been running for over a year.
@Azriel feel free to chime in on this.
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With RICH Trader in particular, the pathway of expression is self-evident so long as the individual is engaging in active trading (EDIT: likewise with EoG: True Sell, in regards to sales). While there will be significant manifestation scripting, the success of the individual is still contingent on their trading skills. That’s one of the reasons we emphasis the skills-based modality, because one must create a stable pathway for the manifestations to flow.
So, with someone like yourself, I don’t think you should be concerned – you will see immediate results from RICH Trader (if you intend on running it) and RICH, because you’ve completed the very core work: the preparation of a stable pathway of expression.
Now, on the topic of “manifestation” itself, which EVERYONE has opinions on across the web, I’m going to tell everyone what we’ve observed – not as absolute truth, but what we have seen empirically, and it doesn’t even have to involve any mystical elements to it.
If an individual, like our sales professionals and entrepreneurs like yourself who have a stable pathway of expression will start seeing results from titles with manifestation almost immediately, regardless of the level of trauma or limiting beliefs you have. That being said, those limiting beliefs will stunt the quality of results.
So, an individual may have a somewhat successful business and use a title like RICH. They become immediately flooded with ideas and experiencing synchronicities that helps them take their business to the next level. Then suddenly, they become overwhelmed from the stress, slowly and over time, doubt begins to creep in, while at the same time they have to deal with the practical and difficult realities of scaling a business. Results seems to stop.
What happened? Well, they responded to the outer synchronicities and the such, but the internal framework (the Crown in C&C) wasn’t stable enough to handle the stresses that even came with increased success. So, a full “manifestation” title isn’t going to perform the way people think, especially with wealth.
Money in this world – or at least in this current era – is a zero sum game. For you to gain money, someone else loses it. Even if you find money on the ground, it came from someone else who most certainly didn’t decide to toss $20 away for someone else to find.
The cleanest way to use titles like RICH, is to have a stable pathway of expression and then work on the inner framework, stabilize that as well. Hence titles like C&C. It’s a legacy title, with ambitions of an individual becoming a millionaire. It requires a firm inner framework.
If anyone wants to improve their manifestation potential, just note that it requires two things: A stable inner and outer framework. Stable job, stable business or other wealth acquisition endeavor, etc. + the inner thought environment capable of holding the outer events.
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I imagine this could extend to Rich Trader explaining why some people never make “more money” in trading because they are scared to risk more than they used to.
Will the “Crown” aspect of C&C would help in risking more money?
Can we get an Idea Thread for OG RICH?
I have a longer reply to your original post; I’ll post it in my journal to not derail the thread.
But to chime in on this
I think manifestation is king 100X. In sales and in every other field. Passion, action, alignment, skill, strategy, all super important, but what separates out the people with unreconcilable results and experience, are those who find the right opportunity consistently or at least once haha.
And everyone I’ve ever talked to who is next level attributes something energetic and ontological to their results. Even the highly analytic financial people.
(Their still beasts with everything else though, pathways, structure, inner deserving/stability, action)
Preparation is part of that, and enough action creates opportunities, but qualitatively, the two are very different.
Does the C of capital include heavy scirpting on manifesting specifically? Or what is the situation here, mostly structure and action?
(It doesn’t seem to align with my sales process/manifesting, so I’ll be switching to previous stack for now. Will post more in my journal )
Every sub that shifts my resonance or manifestation leads to the biggest leaps in income, R.I.C.H., HOM, and ROW.
I am the top rep at my company, month in and month out, at 10000% because of the manifestation. I’m very good, I take a lot of actions, but so do others, and there are others who are even more skilled and take more action, these days at least. The first year I worked harder and took more action, now I do less and make more-that’s manifestation to me.
Maybe you mean this casually, or what do you mean? Is this philosophy entering/applied to the scripting in these subs? I think this is completely untrue and could be very limiting if so. Money is created, not divided, even on a non -esoteric level, let alone if we are looking at money as an energy of value exchange or from a spiritual perspective as an expression of something more infinite.
Once these are established, though, it truly does seem to me certain subs massively boost manifestation, in income, leads etc. Certain subs also boost manifestation outside of stable frameworks as well. I can definitely see this in romance subs as with who I bump into or shows up in my world.
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I had to intuit the RoM-like effects I’ve got off the microloop twice in a row and put it in a financial context. Market timing scripting?
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We are discussing C&C, which does not inherently require a “spiritual perspective” of wealth and money, rather a practical one with measurable impact and repeatable steps. The sentiment that you are expressing is very clearly the result of The Revelation of Wealth, which does enable one to look at the esoteric side of money. But there are many successful people who not delved deep into the energetic side of money, and it’s why we offered that kind of a scripting in a separate, standalone title for stacking.
Within the context of C&C, we are looking at things very practically. And the script itself is practical. Measurable results. Meaningful impact. Repeatable steps.
It is a simple fact that if I am walking down the street and accidentally dropped $20 – and that was not my intention, at all – if you find that $20 later, I lost and you gained. No philosophy needed. No spirituality needed to be applied. It is just simple fact.
So, when we are discussing manifestation within a non-spiritual title like C&C, one that relies on practical, but potent measures to build a wealth empire – yes, the practical, non-esoteric approach is taken. If one wants to look deeper into the nature of money as it appears to them, then something like The Revelation of Wealth is available.
But note that the The Revelation of Wealth helps the individual reveal what’s hidden about their relationship with money – and yes, it does provide insight into the hidden nature of money – but again, it is a relational title with self. Given the nature of this title, it would be a mistake to take those insights and present them as absolute truth. Everyone has a different relationship with money and the external nature of money is a reflection of the sum beliefs of the collective – there’s no “singular truth” in the first place.
Two people will most likely never relate to money in the same manner – their deepest beliefs and how they express in reality will never match or completely align since they are two different people. For me, the acquisition of wealth is less meaningful than the vehicle used to acquire it. I will accept a smaller salary for a humanitarian job faster than I would a high salary for a product or service I don’t believe in. And this is outer expression of my inner relationship with wealth. There are many here, probably some reading this right now thinking to themselves, “what an idealistic fool.”
And from their perspective, they are right. Who am I to say that my way is the accurate way? To avoid all these problems, basic wealth scripting is presented through the lens of practicality, and we allow the individual to build upon that in their own way, as always. You have chosen to take the path of understanding the esoteric nature of wealth, but again – in relationship to yourself.
All of our scripts are written very practically, very universal. It simply presents the features you can see in the copy. How you modify and interpret that is always up to you.
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Has anyone tried stacking this title with ‘new’ Emperor (2023 version)?
Kind of curious about how they might work together. All the OG Emperor good stuff, with the adaptive scripting, powerhouse effect and legacy wealth scripting of C&C 
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Would you mind expanding on this?
You’ve mentioned how all Emperor titles are good in terms of latching onto the rest of the stack. But how does CC as an engine enhance the other titles? Is that even needed or how does that work?
I’m not really sure where to place an engine stack-wise. I’m kinda thinking of engine as a path but then other more specific titles are probably better? A trader: R:Trader, a salesperson: True Sell. Entreprenur we’re kinda getting to EoG and CC.
Of course one can go hardcore and have 3 wealth titles, R:Trader(or TS), EoG and CC. - I’m just curious on the way you’re framing CC as an engine, because it seems to almost be said as if it is THE engine. Not just an engine? Feel free to correct anything I’ve misunderstood or picked out of context
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Okay, I’ve gotten more results. This time direct and obvious financial results on the level of Stark Black but without recon, fear, or instability, which is why I deleted all my comments that I made earlier today.
Because for myself, they were all unfounded and a result of fear (based on past disappointments) not so much present realities.
So here’s the timeline and results.
DECEMBER:
I took a month long washout after I finished EoG ST1 and Stark Black. No subliminal input at all. Lot of great work and just integration.
JANUARY:
I then ran Alchemist Singularity, Minds Eye, and Astral Projection x for a cycle. At the end of this cycle, because I was feeling good, I did 2 loops of C&C before my washout because I had already rotated Minds Eye out earlier in the cycle.
Loop 1 C&C got what appeared to be a breakthrough of a massive financial issue I’ve been dealing with since October.
Loop 2 C&C that initial breakthrough led to real progress. Finally! Girl invites me to her hotel room later that night. I fumble because I was just not expecting it and attracting tourists for one night stands wasn’t my intention, but I’ll happily take one for the team.
FEBRUARY:
Start first full cycle of Index Gate, Crown and Capital, and a light spiritual custom.
Loop 3 C&C Meet a local artist, we hit it off, exchange numbers, could blossom into something I want to do, not something I need to do. Flirt with girl. Different girl hits on me in the stairwell. Okay, cool.
Loop 4 C&C Stark Black level financial manifestation through work.
Above are the hard results, clear and obvious changes or alterations to situations that have been stagnant for months.
On a personal level, there’s been more, but I’d rather stick to the tangibles.
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I am doing it rn - CC, New Emp, EE, WB(occasionally). Absolutely loving it, focus, clarity, discipline, libido. I don’t think CC has fully kicked in yet but I believe New Emp and EE will help it slowly bloom given they’re very much aligned with CC’s energy
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Funnily enough, I’ve been reading back through the Emperor thread again the last few days. I seem to remember seeing quite a few posts from you; seems you’ve got quite a bit of experience with Emperor (and other titles from the Emperor family)?
And in another coincidence, the Primal thread popped up on my list of threads this morning, and I’ve just been looking back through that; where again, you seem to have had a lot of fun and results running it 
I love the Emperor series. It’s like perfumes, each Emperor has a slightly different top and heart note but the same base note, which keeps pulling me back. In the very beginning I used to have a very hard time running these Masculine subs (Emp, khan, primal, ascension etc) now I absolutely love them. The resilience on the new Emp is top notch.
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Love that analogy
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I look at my stack the same way now, CC is the base note, emperor and EE are heart notes, and I keep changing the top note based on circumstances, from GLMC, to Stark, to WB and so on.
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Hold on!
Do you think it has strong attraction capabilities? Or is it SB blooming?
Awesome results! About the wealth aspects: Like SB but without recon? I’ll take it