I imagine this could extend to Rich Trader explaining why some people never make “more money” in trading because they are scared to risk more than they used to.
Will the “Crown” aspect of C&C would help in risking more money?
Can we get an Idea Thread for OG RICH?
I have a longer reply to your original post; I’ll post it in my journal to not derail the thread.
But to chime in on this
I think manifestation is king 100X. In sales and in every other field. Passion, action, alignment, skill, strategy, all super important, but what separates out the people with unreconcilable results and experience, are those who find the right opportunity consistently or at least once haha.
And everyone I’ve ever talked to who is next level attributes something energetic and ontological to their results. Even the highly analytic financial people.
(Their still beasts with everything else though, pathways, structure, inner deserving/stability, action)
Preparation is part of that, and enough action creates opportunities, but qualitatively, the two are very different.
Does the C of capital include heavy scirpting on manifesting specifically? Or what is the situation here, mostly structure and action?
(It doesn’t seem to align with my sales process/manifesting, so I’ll be switching to previous stack for now. Will post more in my journal )
Every sub that shifts my resonance or manifestation leads to the biggest leaps in income, R.I.C.H., HOM, and ROW.
I am the top rep at my company, month in and month out, at 10000% because of the manifestation. I’m very good, I take a lot of actions, but so do others, and there are others who are even more skilled and take more action, these days at least. The first year I worked harder and took more action, now I do less and make more-that’s manifestation to me.
Maybe you mean this casually, or what do you mean? Is this philosophy entering/applied to the scripting in these subs? I think this is completely untrue and could be very limiting if so. Money is created, not divided, even on a non -esoteric level, let alone if we are looking at money as an energy of value exchange or from a spiritual perspective as an expression of something more infinite.
Once these are established, though, it truly does seem to me certain subs massively boost manifestation, in income, leads etc. Certain subs also boost manifestation outside of stable frameworks as well. I can definitely see this in romance subs as with who I bump into or shows up in my world.
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I had to intuit the RoM-like effects I’ve got off the microloop twice in a row and put it in a financial context. Market timing scripting?
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We are discussing C&C, which does not inherently require a “spiritual perspective” of wealth and money, rather a practical one with measurable impact and repeatable steps. The sentiment that you are expressing is very clearly the result of The Revelation of Wealth, which does enable one to look at the esoteric side of money. But there are many successful people who not delved deep into the energetic side of money, and it’s why we offered that kind of a scripting in a separate, standalone title for stacking.
Within the context of C&C, we are looking at things very practically. And the script itself is practical. Measurable results. Meaningful impact. Repeatable steps.
It is a simple fact that if I am walking down the street and accidentally dropped $20 – and that was not my intention, at all – if you find that $20 later, I lost and you gained. No philosophy needed. No spirituality needed to be applied. It is just simple fact.
So, when we are discussing manifestation within a non-spiritual title like C&C, one that relies on practical, but potent measures to build a wealth empire – yes, the practical, non-esoteric approach is taken. If one wants to look deeper into the nature of money as it appears to them, then something like The Revelation of Wealth is available.
But note that the The Revelation of Wealth helps the individual reveal what’s hidden about their relationship with money – and yes, it does provide insight into the hidden nature of money – but again, it is a relational title with self. Given the nature of this title, it would be a mistake to take those insights and present them as absolute truth. Everyone has a different relationship with money and the external nature of money is a reflection of the sum beliefs of the collective – there’s no “singular truth” in the first place.
Two people will most likely never relate to money in the same manner – their deepest beliefs and how they express in reality will never match or completely align since they are two different people. For me, the acquisition of wealth is less meaningful than the vehicle used to acquire it. I will accept a smaller salary for a humanitarian job faster than I would a high salary for a product or service I don’t believe in. And this is outer expression of my inner relationship with wealth. There are many here, probably some reading this right now thinking to themselves, “what an idealistic fool.”
And from their perspective, they are right. Who am I to say that my way is the accurate way? To avoid all these problems, basic wealth scripting is presented through the lens of practicality, and we allow the individual to build upon that in their own way, as always. You have chosen to take the path of understanding the esoteric nature of wealth, but again – in relationship to yourself.
All of our scripts are written very practically, very universal. It simply presents the features you can see in the copy. How you modify and interpret that is always up to you.
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Has anyone tried stacking this title with ‘new’ Emperor (2023 version)?
Kind of curious about how they might work together. All the OG Emperor good stuff, with the adaptive scripting, powerhouse effect and legacy wealth scripting of C&C 
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Would you mind expanding on this?
You’ve mentioned how all Emperor titles are good in terms of latching onto the rest of the stack. But how does CC as an engine enhance the other titles? Is that even needed or how does that work?
I’m not really sure where to place an engine stack-wise. I’m kinda thinking of engine as a path but then other more specific titles are probably better? A trader: R:Trader, a salesperson: True Sell. Entreprenur we’re kinda getting to EoG and CC.
Of course one can go hardcore and have 3 wealth titles, R:Trader(or TS), EoG and CC. - I’m just curious on the way you’re framing CC as an engine, because it seems to almost be said as if it is THE engine. Not just an engine? Feel free to correct anything I’ve misunderstood or picked out of context
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Okay, I’ve gotten more results. This time direct and obvious financial results on the level of Stark Black but without recon, fear, or instability, which is why I deleted all my comments that I made earlier today.
Because for myself, they were all unfounded and a result of fear (based on past disappointments) not so much present realities.
So here’s the timeline and results.
DECEMBER:
I took a month long washout after I finished EoG ST1 and Stark Black. No subliminal input at all. Lot of great work and just integration.
JANUARY:
I then ran Alchemist Singularity, Minds Eye, and Astral Projection x for a cycle. At the end of this cycle, because I was feeling good, I did 2 loops of C&C before my washout because I had already rotated Minds Eye out earlier in the cycle.
Loop 1 C&C got what appeared to be a breakthrough of a massive financial issue I’ve been dealing with since October.
Loop 2 C&C that initial breakthrough led to real progress. Finally! Girl invites me to her hotel room later that night. I fumble because I was just not expecting it and attracting tourists for one night stands wasn’t my intention, but I’ll happily take one for the team.
FEBRUARY:
Start first full cycle of Index Gate, Crown and Capital, and a light spiritual custom.
Loop 3 C&C Meet a local artist, we hit it off, exchange numbers, could blossom into something I want to do, not something I need to do. Flirt with girl. Different girl hits on me in the stairwell. Okay, cool.
Loop 4 C&C Stark Black level financial manifestation through work.
Above are the hard results, clear and obvious changes or alterations to situations that have been stagnant for months.
On a personal level, there’s been more, but I’d rather stick to the tangibles.
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I am doing it rn - CC, New Emp, EE, WB(occasionally). Absolutely loving it, focus, clarity, discipline, libido. I don’t think CC has fully kicked in yet but I believe New Emp and EE will help it slowly bloom given they’re very much aligned with CC’s energy
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Funnily enough, I’ve been reading back through the Emperor thread again the last few days. I seem to remember seeing quite a few posts from you; seems you’ve got quite a bit of experience with Emperor (and other titles from the Emperor family)?
And in another coincidence, the Primal thread popped up on my list of threads this morning, and I’ve just been looking back through that; where again, you seem to have had a lot of fun and results running it 
I love the Emperor series. It’s like perfumes, each Emperor has a slightly different top and heart note but the same base note, which keeps pulling me back. In the very beginning I used to have a very hard time running these Masculine subs (Emp, khan, primal, ascension etc) now I absolutely love them. The resilience on the new Emp is top notch.
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Love that analogy
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I look at my stack the same way now, CC is the base note, emperor and EE are heart notes, and I keep changing the top note based on circumstances, from GLMC, to Stark, to WB and so on.
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Hold on!
Do you think it has strong attraction capabilities? Or is it SB blooming?
Awesome results! About the wealth aspects: Like SB but without recon? I’ll take it
This morning I’m doing a full on trading session, multiple try entry and all.
I’m in a very good short, low risk, now I’m trying to open a hedge and see if I can make some more $$ using my short already opened.
I need more $$ on my FTMO to get myself rolling and for that I have to take risk.
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There’s a strong sense of respect, almost admiration, from women.
Not exactly sexual, but, with any amount of pre-existing foundation, you could turn that respect into a sexual conversation.
The respect is really based on your skill, competency, the quality of character you display that will allow you (in their eyes) to build an incredible life for yourself that they would want to be a part of.
So with that respect, they sort of submit to your leadership and frame because they benefit from you considering them as a part of the “legacy” you’re building for your future.
Think about what women want out of a relationship, long term stability and security is a major one, and the man that can build generational wealth AND has the inner respect/sovereignity of someone deserving of any woman, is a man they’d definitely want to be in a relationship with.
That’s been my experience with it. Attraction from my current partner is extremely strong and our day to day interactions have been much better. I have so much more self respect. I am working through so many beliefs around money, and taking tangible actions towards them. She can really feel safer because I’m just unstressed about money, while I was literally having near PANIC ATTACKS about money up until my first loop of C&C.
Now… yes, I think C&C’s romance results would be more geared to relationships. C&C itself is an extremely long term oriented title -
But the effect on women is interesting. Many women who I’m not in a relationship with have been reaching out to me, especially ones I know who are interested in business. One of them is a girl who’s dating a man 20 years older than her. That one isn’t a romantic interest, although she was a decade ago. My point is simply that women who respect men who have the ability to build financial futures are all of a sudden responding to me and reaching out.
Interestingly, the two who reached out to me that ARENT that sugar-baby girl I mentioned… they’re not the sugar baby type in the slightest. They’re the two most independent women I know, both great at business, and actually have a hard time with feeling feminine with men in general because they feel they can’t trust most men’s strength - yet they’re being feminine (in a “please give me stability”) kind of way with me.
One of them is dating a girl, and I still told her to move to Mexico w me (half jokingly - but I am serious about moving to Mexico) and she said she’d actually seriously consider it because she wants to be wherever I am.
That was long but I hope it makes sense around what I’m experiencing on C&C with women so far.
I also posted a support ticket about combining WB & C/C, I’ll post it so you can see how support considers C/C to stack with one romance sub, and then you can generalize from there
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Support: effects of stacking WB & C/C
Great question! Stacking WANTED: Black with Crown & Capital creates a powerful synergy that amplifies both titles in interesting ways. Let me break down what you’d experience compared to running each standalone.
Wealth/Leadership/Influence/Career Effects (vs. Standalone C&C):
Standalone Crown & Capital:
- Composed, sovereign authority
- Strategic, long-term thinking
- Filtered, quality-focused networks
- Privacy-oriented, deliberate
- Gravitational presence (calm, order)
- Dynasty builder mindset
C&C + WANTED: Black Stack:
1. Charismatic Empire Builder
**What Changes:**Your authority becomes magnetic rather than just gravitational
**Standalone C&C:**Composed presence that commands respect through calm authority
+ Black: That same authority now PULLS people in with fascination and desire to be near you
Effect: You’re not just respected — you’re sought after. People want to be in your orbit, work with you, partner with you. The composed emperor energy gains a magnetic charge.
2. Dynamic Network Access
**What Changes:**C&C’s “Golden Crown” (high-value network access) becomes turbocharged
**Standalone C&C:**Earn access to high-value networks through demonstrated readiness and consistency
+ Black: Your charisma and social magnetism open doors FASTER – you become “the guy everyone wants to meet”
Effect: You still have C&C’s strategic filtering and quality focus, but Black’s “life of the party” energy means opportunities flow to you more rapidly. You’re selective (C&C) but highly visible (Black).
3. Influential Verbal Mastery
**What Changes:**C&C’s negotiation and communication skills gain Black’s verbal prowess
**Standalone C&C:**Negotiate from calm authority, frame value with precision
+ Black: Add silver tongue, seductive speech, masterful influence
Effect: Your business negotiations become exceptionally persuasive. You have C&C’s strategic clarity + Black’s verbal seduction. People not only understand your value — they’re compelled to agree.
4. Social + Strategic Intelligence
What Changes: You read power dynamics (C&C) AND social dynamics (Black) simultaneously
**Standalone C&C:**Institutional literacy, reading flow of power through hierarchies
+ Black: 48 Laws mastery, reading social games, charismatic navigation
Effect: You see the chessboard (C&C) while also reading the room perfectly (Black). Strategic thinking meets social fluidity. You know the long game AND how to charm everyone playing it.
5. Composed Magnetism
**What Changes:**C&C’s “Emperor’s Presence” becomes electrifying
**Standalone C&C:**Gravitational presence — calm, composed, orders energy around you
+ Black: That composed energy now has sexual charge and raw magnetism
Effect: You command rooms not just through authority but through sheer presence. Think: powerful CEO who everyone wants to be around (not just respect). Strategic AND captivating.
6. Selective But Magnetic
**What Changes:**C&C’s filtering + Black’s attraction = perfect paradox
**Standalone C&C:**Filter ruthlessly, release misalignments, quality over quantity
+ Black: Attract MANY but admit FEW
Effect: You have Black’s massive attraction pulling opportunities/people to you, but C&C’s discernment filtering for quality. You’re not starved for options — you’re drowning in them and selecting the best.
Career/Leadership Implications:
- **Leadership Style:**Charismatic strategist (people follow because they respect AND are drawn to you)
- Deal Flow: High-quality opportunities flood in (Black attracts, C&C filters)
- Influence: You have both institutional power (C&C) and social power (Black)
- **Presence:**Composed authority + electric magnetism = unforgettable
- **Networking:**Access elite circles (C&C) while being the most magnetic person there (Black)
Romance Results (vs. Standalone WANTED: Black):
Standalone WANTED: Black:
- Intense sexual aura
- Mysterious, magnetic presence
- High attention and pursuit
- “Life of the party” energy
- Harem scripting (multiple partners drawn to you)
- Seductive verbal mastery
Black + Crown & Capital Stack:
1. Selective Magnetism
**What Changes:**Black’s “draw everyone” effect gets refined by C&C’s filtering
**Standalone Black:**Attract massive attention from women (and everyone)
+ C&C: Attract massive attention but FILTER for quality naturally
Effect: You’re still the mysterious man everyone wants, but you unconsciously screen for women who are:
- High-value
- Aligned with your vision
- Worth your time and energy
- Compatible with empire building
Think: You have Black’s raw attraction but C&C’s discernment. No more wasting energy on low-quality attention.
2. Strategic Seducer
**What Changes:**Black’s seduction gains long-term thinking
**Standalone Black:**Focus on intense, immediate attraction and sexual encounters
+ C&C: Consider which romantic connections serve your larger vision
Effect: You’re not just seducing for the night — you’re building a romantic life that supports your empire. Some women become muses, some become partners in your vision, some are just for pleasure. You know which is which.
3. Composed Mystery
**What Changes:**Black’s mystery gains C&C’s sovereign composure
**Standalone Black:**Mysterious, unpredictable, seductive
+ C&C: Mysterious but with unshakable inner authority
Effect: You’re not mysterious because you’re trying to be — you’re mysterious because you have depths women sense but can’t immediately access. C&C’s Crown gives you a center that makes Black’s mystery feel MORE profound.
4. High-Status Seduction
**What Changes:**Black’s attraction becomes class-elevated
**Standalone Black:**Raw sexual magnetism, adventurous energy
+ C&C: That magnetism now carries wealth, power, sophistication
Effect: Women sense you’re not just exciting — you’re GOING somewhere. You’re building something. C&C’s dynasty thinking makes you attractive as both a lover (Black) and a provider/leader (C&C).
5. Social C&C Integration
What Changes: This is what you specifically asked about
Standalone Black:“Life of the party” + seductive social mastery
+ C&C’s Social Scripting: Alliance Architect, Golden Crown, Premium Pipeline, Information Command
Effect:
- Alliance Architect: You organize romantic interests into tiers naturally (primary partners, secondary, casual)
- **Golden Crown:**Access to high-status women in elite social circles
- Premium Pipeline: Filter romantic prospects EARLY for quality/alignment
- **Information Command:**Manage your romantic reputation strategically
Result: Your romantic life becomes strategically architected rather than chaotic. You have Black’s abundance but C&C’s organization.
6. Long-Term Romantic Vision
**What Changes:**Black’s “now” focus gains C&C’s “dynasty” thinking
**Standalone Black:**Present-focused pleasure and adventure
+ C&C: Consider romantic partners as potential mothers of heirs, co-builders of legacy
Effect: You still have Black’s intensity and multiple partners option, but C&C adds: “Which of these women would I build an empire WITH?” Not all relationships need to be dynasty-level, but you now SEE the difference.
Potential Challenges:
1. Energy Conflict:
- Black = high-energy, socially extroverted, adventurous
- C&C = composed, filtered, deliberate, privacy-focused
Resolution: You become selectively extroverted — magnetic in the right contexts, private otherwise. “Life of the party when I choose to be.”
2. Processing Load:
- Both are intense Zero Point titles
- Both are artisan/advanced level
**Recommendation:**Start with microloops, build slowly. Maybe 1-2 months on C&C solo first (establish the Crown), then add Black gradually.
3. Social Paradox:
- Black attracts massive attention
- C&C values privacy and filtering
Resolution: This actually COMPLEMENTS. Black fills your pipeline with options, C&C filters ruthlessly. You become the selective emperor that everyone wants but few can access.
Bottom Line:
Wealth/Leadership/Career:
You become the CHARISMATIC EMPEROR — strategic authority + magnetic presence. Not just respected but WANTED. Not just filtered but ABUNDANT in options. Not just sovereign but INFLUENTIAL.
Romance:
You become the SELECTIVE KING — massive attraction + strategic filtering. Multiple high-quality options organized into tiers. Seductive intensity + long-term vision. Life of the party who chooses his court carefully.
This Stack Is Ideal For:
- Entrepreneurs who need both strategic thinking AND social magnetism
- Leaders who want to be both respected AND desired
- Empire builders who understand that relationships (romantic and professional) are part of dynasty architecture
- Anyone who wants Black’s intensity with C&C’s sophistication
Not Ideal If:
- You want pure seduction focus (run Black alone)
- You want pure strategic empire focus (run C&C alone)
- You’re new to subliminals (too intense)
Does this clarify how the stack would work? Let me know if you want more detail on any specific aspect!
Best regards,
Subliminal Club Support
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That reminds me…
Is anyone stacking the two mature Emperors – C&C with Daddy?
How’s this combo according to the Q Support AI or @SaintSovereign?
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I was actually considering combining WB with CC
That’s awesome thanks for clarifying
I’ll have to use it myself to understand it
If I use WB again I need to be mindful with the loop’s length
Last time the recon was so strong I didn’t notice any results!
But you know something funny? I’ve just checked my personal journal at the time of using WB I had many women showing interest but I was in such a recon I didn’t feel well (mentally) to act on it
And completely thought it doesn’t work!
Weird stuff.
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For some reason, even if Emperor C&C helps me with getting back interested in charts, I find myself limited by fear. Risk taking is my biggest problem in trading.
Always has been in life too. Scared to take risk, get out of my comfort zone, etc. I have no idea where it comes from.
Everytime I get out of my comfort zone, I push through the pain, get better, do good, grow until I eventually get burned and I fall back scared and fearful…
Always the same cycle.
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