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#423

Furthermore, in the spirit of anti-recon

I found that just taking the time to really read the copy and analyze it started to resolve a lot of open loops and dissonance for me. I was resisting the copy before, so I started to get really clear with what the sub is and isn’t, and read it clearly with no resistance.

Now wondering if the adaptive scripting part of C&C core, or is it an auxiliary module? Will customs with C&C core contain adaptive scripting?

Some further feedback.

While, transparently, I have found title C&C to currently be a major step down in on-call sales performance compared to HOM, both in terms of lead manifestation and experience as of yet… (recon or other factors may be involved), metrically, my week last week on it still turned out well, not amazing, but very baseline solid sales wise.

My subjective experience sucked as I grappled with recon and I’m on a 1-year-long gravy train of a powerful stack, so any adjustments or positives can be noted as spikes, but my performance remains resilient regardless of state or sub. I still am experiencing some interesting new results which, while they are on the edge of could have happened anyway, I will attribute to C&C, and some are obviously CC

  1. My ex (really close friends, previous friends with benefits) is closing all these leads I couldn’t finish out and letting me keep the revenue on the books. I’ll send her a % of commission, but it’s a major benefit to me with no work. While this has happened here and there by accident with other people, it’s happening multiple times, and she is systematically going through the people I tagged her on and making it her mission to close them out. This is not a normal thing lol (This might be a dream boy and C&C effect lol)

  2. I did get an allocation - a smaller one, $10K, in a very hard-to-access private investment. Large public company that got taken private again. I was on the list through a connect, and it went through

  3. I have two financial advisors whom I’ve scheduled with or got back in touch with for tax strategy and investment purposes, as well as an estate lawyer contact to reach out to. So I definitely notice myself getting my affairs in order. These have been tangentially circling around for the last year, but I find myself actively dealing with this now.

  4. My passive role at the private equity firm I used to work for got clarified as an active advisor. I’m so tempted to burn everything to the ground to go full-time in building value-add and income/equity options there, so I may increasingly look to bring that back in, but I’ve also built something incredible in the sales role I am in. I need to get back to taking on more mode. I’m workign really hard but still coasting, have to get back to my real growth edge.

  5. I am noticing, owning, taking credit for, and feeling the confidence of everywhere I have actively built something already. As I walk around like I have not ‘built’ anything, in some negative conversation, when the truth is that’s fucking bs. I’ve built many incredible things that are lasting. Relationships, networks, career, and physical strength. The sub is showing me where I am already a builder. And it’s showing me where I am already resilient in reality and can let go of mental doubt. This was a weird result but a pretty cool result

I’m switching back to ASBR/C&C custom since it came to finish out the week, while I’m already on top of the sales mountain for the month. I know it’s not the cleanest week with switches, but the subs are similar enough where I hope they’re somewhat interchangeable. If it goes well, I’ll float it into next week.

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#424

Can I elaborate on this more?
Are u saying that long term emotional healing stack is harmful?
@SaintSovereign

#425

I don’t think that is what he’s saying at all.

The goal is to process any emotions and traumas, learn your lessons and detach from whatever you’ve been holding on to that is holding you back.

Not to stay in the emotions.

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#426

I spent 2.5 hours using pen and paper to rewrite the major themes and objectives of C&C as derived from the narrative story before the features,

then i rewrote the features in a way that would concisely fit into my notebook.

Then I wrote a short list of adjectives that embody crown’s archetype.

It REALLY helps to do that deep work.

Now when I journal in the morning, sometimes I pull out the features summary that’s in my notebook and ask myself which ones I should activate/utilize today.

One day I went on pen/paper and did the “map out your social network visually” exercise and spent an hour on that, barely scratched the surface, I had sooo many deep emotional insights off that.

  • people I’ve ghosted because I thought they didn’t like me but actually I killed the relationship
  • I was ghosting people partially because I knew I wasn’t doing any “building” work behind the scenes and felt shame
  • I mapped them out on an x/y axis of value/connection and one interesting correlation I made is that some of the MOST VALUABLE people in my life were actually my equals who were also equally as ambitious as me. I thought “value” would mean status/social-capital/resources but actually sometimes people bring the most value into my life simply by being a confidant, an activator of my ambition, or a close friend to consult when things are hard.
  • some of my absolute best friends are also very low value and simply “fun” relationships.

Doing the social exercise really snap-changed things for me mentally and made me feel much more resourceful, connected, and clear on my leverage and trust. I highly recommend the exercise

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#427

I re-read the copy today and it really showed me how amazing the adaptive scripting is.

I have not been getting any of the scripting that is not relevant to me. IE tax mastery is not a concern of mine at the moment and something I can/need to take action on. None of that scripting has effected me in the slightest.

But the market intuition, aura, strategic thinking have been hitting hard. I also noticed areas that I am already quite competent in have had positive effect but it is secondary to more important modules.

A success of running this sub already is that my family are asking more and more for my opinion and advice on managing the estate and strategic decisions. I was already quite involved before but now I get the sense they want me to take over. I also gave someone the advice to liquidate an investment, they listened without questions and it ended up being the perfect timing.

I havent been very social recently but when I am the aura is strong. People are calling me Sir and being extra polite. Not sure if its intended but its as if people can feel the C&C aura over text messages, even over text people are treating me differently.

Its great that the adaptive scripting has diffused over my whole stack as-well.

EDIT: Someone I know (inner circle) has let me borrow their Patek Phillipe watch for a while happened very naturally.

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#428

Relevant to C&C so posting here as well.

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#429

And let me add (to the previous conversation):

For my own path, Ecstasy of Gold Stage 1 is tremendously important. I have been running it since March 2025, and expect to run it until next March or April. Some of us are made to live in a world that is more about Meaning than Material. It can be very, very tricky to navigate a world that is often set up in the exact reverse. We can find ourselves doubting ourselves and what we value. Trying to get ourselves to be other than we are because the story that animates our Soul is relatively unknown and untold.

Healing is not always only about the personality. Sometimes it is about the world that surrounds you. We are not all following the exact same paths.

Ecstasy of Gold Stage I supports you in identifying Your Gold Standard. That foundation of Value that is real and right to you. For some this may be a matter of 5 minutes. You basically resonate with the world and the way things are already set up. But for others, our Golden strings are tuned to a different Economic key.

Some of us need to discover the BASIS of our Economy before we can start to trade and translate contributions in the wider world. Our Souls and Minds speak in a different language to that which is commonly spoken around us. Once you know your language, translation becomes possible. But if you are only taught the languages of others and not your own, there can be the desperate, discouraging feeling of always chasing after something that you do not truly even wish to catch.

The Revelation of Wealth is the Rosetta Stone of Value, Wealth, and Economy. And Ecstasy of Gold Stage I is the lodestone and the North Star that guides you home.

For those of us who have experienced ontological homelessness: these two tools represent a Power and a Wealth that cannot be understood by those who have not.

I have been finding my Gold in the dirt and the earth of my self, my world, and my nature.

What’s the point of having a mansion if you have no land to build it on?

What’s the point of having a company if you have no Center of Value to animate it and to contextualize it?

I just want to express that there are many, many, many people for whom Ecstasy of Gold Stage I is a LIFE-CHANGER. And it goes way beyond just simplistically conceived healing of money attitudes.

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#430

I’m curious: What would your thoughts be on stacking C&C with the original HoM?

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#431

Quick update.

After listening to this update since it’s release, and switching to my custom after receiving it, I have been inundated with job opportunities.

A company I interviewed with last month circled back with me as they are finalizing their choice and wanted to see if I was still open to working with them.

A company I worked with in the past has offered me a senior position.

And out of the blue yesterday, a recruiter called me about another position.

None of these were opportunities I activity sought out. All of them would pay me more.

Meanwhile, I’ll on the hunt for a business attorney to discuss the best way to setup the company for my mobile app, to take on investors, while preserving control and tax efficiency.

It’s crazy to think about senior-level positions while building an app to revolutionize my industry.

On a separate note, the most prominent effect has been the sovereignty. No one is coming to save me and that is the most freeing feeling.

After two days of processing some emotions, I have been calmer and more likely to find the humor in things.

I’ve also been exposed to some information that is shifting the way I respond to the global events. No fear. Only preparedness however the way forward.

Edit:

Metaphorically, I was kicking myself a little while ago when I looked at the price of gold. I had an insight last week to roll over a small 401k, I haven’t done much with into it. Not taking action cost me 10% in upside in the last week. Lesson learned. Take action on those market weaver insights.

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#432

That’s really good to hear.

Your lack of sales results from C&C, aside from recon, could have also been from removing ASBR/modules from ur stack, more than C&C’s archetype itself

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#433

How many minutes are you guys running this for?

#434

I’m at 3-5 minutes so far.

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#435

ASBR’s social and fame scripting brought back the immediate confidence and warmth he was lacking on C&C. I must say, @Azriel – I’ve enjoyed observing your approach (and the critique, good and bad) in testing C&C.

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#436

15 minutes as I’m falling asleep.

I find that listening right before bed allows me to do the processing while I’m sleeping and greatly reduces my chances of experiencing recon.

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#437

Yes, definitely helped a ton. I see it more like balancing out the proportions of what I was more immediately feeling/projecting. Since I can’t imagine after two years of ASBR the scripting would not be integrated to some extent

I still seem HOM having elements of social navigation, rapport, that benefited the sales. But the ‘stark’ (pun intended lol ) drop was more from the exclusion of that familiar ASBR scripting

Thank you. :slight_smile:

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#438

Another big win from C&C.

While I was sleeping I made 4x my living cost since Jun 2025. All automated with my trading algo’s. (because of the gold rally)

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#439

This. I can’t count how many times I’ve talked about studying the copy, especially in times of recon. Read a small section, close your eyes, what does it tell you? How do you feel? What do you see? What pattern(s) can you observe? How does it apply to you?

Questions that only you can answer for yourself, as no one can understand your situation like you (applying wisdom of course)

Now, I’m trying to make my own copy of my main custom, but just the act of doing so triggers an intense level of recon I’ve never dealt with before.

It’s some interesting stuff.

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#440

Well technically, that’s what I’ve been doing since the end of last week or even last week since I didn’t really wash out and have run 10-30 seconds of custom with HOM twice since. I think the double scripting, where it crosses over, can lead to recon in overdoing it but I imagine they’re fairly compatible. Hard to say since they’re so different as well.

(I feel I can completely tell the different ‘feels’ /flavors after)

Definitely curious on Saint’s take on this. Stacking HOM and C&C. The Emperor scripting will overlap to some degree.

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#441

I discovered mine during my EoG1 + For the love of Gold Custom run as well.
Basically it’s just being able to focus on anything long enough thanks to my ADHD.
And of course my Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria, also part of my ADHD.

How should I get a job or make money if a simple “Someone else is better fitted for the position” throws me off track for weeks?

That’s why I’m working on this now. Full stack healing for my ADHD.

Nevertheless, EoG1 improved my finances a lot.

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#442

I don’t think it’s about the healing stack.
It’s about “Just living deep in the emotions”.
It’s about building your identity on your trauma.
That means you cling to your trauma and can’t let it go. Because if you would actually let it go, you wouldn’t know who you really are anymore.
Or you would need to move in the unknown territory of a life without traum. Which is just as frightening for your subconscious (because it doesn’t know it and can’t protect you) as your trauma is to you.

If you go deep into the emotions for healing and don’t just live there but actually let go of trauma it’s a different thing.

Now it’s up to you to find out what you’re doing.
Are you willing to let go of trauma?

I know I wasn't at a point in my life.

I was reiterating the same story again and again. So I didn’t need to change. Because my trauma defined me, I was able to justify not changing anything. I was a victim after all.
I was working on my issues at the time. And I was convinced I was doing all I could to get better. But was I? Really?

In my coaching training there was a video called “The stories we tell ourselves”.
It made me confront these justifications. I realized that instead of working for my life to get better, I was content with being a victim of life.
It was the easy way.

Only then I decided that I need to let go of my trauma so I can lead a better life.

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