The problem with this analogy is that spending money doesn’t involve abusing, bullying and putting down other people on a psychological/emotional level.
I don’t think that has to do with maturity, I think that has to do with something being innately unhealthy in the individual.
In my opinion, belittling people is not something you consciously “learn” how to not do. Similar to bullying, the behavior is being driven by an internal subconscious framework.
(This is all my opinion, lol)
I don’t know exactly luthers take on this, but I believe self-worth comes from within and is based on things you can control (internal) and ego is based on things external, usually things you can’t control and is therefore unstable and fluctuates.
It’s complex and weird concept, but just some information and understanding I’ve picked along the way.
Would be interesting to hear some examples of both.
There is a great part in the Sex God Method book that comes to mind when I saw this. I’m not sure where it fits in here. But it is related to having a big ego:
When first trying to improve their level of Immersion, many people try replacing these negative thoughts with positive thoughts. Instead of thinking negative things, they think “I’m the man! I can easily rock her world! Really, I am the man!” While these positive thoughts would seem to help your level of sexual confidence, they actually do not. If you’re constantly telling yourself that you’re a bedroom legend, it only emphasizes the fact in your mind that you are not a bedroom legend. Let me explain:
If you woke up and were going to eat cereal in the morning, you would most likely just wake up and eat it without thinking about it. You wouldn’t try to pump your confidence up with positive thoughts like “Yeah, I can totally eat this cereal! I’ve got this! I’m the cereal master!” This would be ridiculous; you know that you can easily eat the cereal, so there’s no need to pump yourself up.
We only think really positive thoughts and psyche ourselves up for something that is hard for us to do. For things that come easily to us, we do them automatically and without thinking about them.
Although it is counter-intuitive, thinking positive thoughts like “I’m really good in bed” only reinforces the fact in your mind that being good in bed is hard for you. During sex, don’t aim for a head constantly full of positive thoughts. They are equally as destructive to sexual pleasure as negative thoughts. Cut off any thoughts from your mind when you are in bed – they will all take away from the sexual pleasure of the encounter. Aim for Immersion, or the absence of thoughts.
That’s really interesting, it seems like he’s basically pointing conscious compensation for lack of subconscious congruence. Basically incongruent behavior
(This is all my opinion)
Incongruent self-worth is basically inflated ego, lol.
To expand on this more:
Ego inflated self-worth are those insane people (RV please don’t edit me out of context hahaha):
“Do you know who the fuck I am? Do you know what I’ve done?”
“I get paid more than you, sit the fuck down worthless scrub.”
“I’m just better than you.”
-walks around in $5000 sweater, $200k Rolex, and sits with the “I’m the big shot, big dog” sass-
-self-aggrandizement through titles
Hence why:
It’s when external based self-worth is used as a self-defense mechanism. A lot of inflated ego has to do with the inability to cope with feelings of inadequacy/insecurity which results in overcompensation.
It’s like defending a castle. The more weaker the foundation, the more you feel the need to put up defenses, borders, walls, and something to think about… (“best defense is a strong offense”).
The point of congruent growth is to strengthen the foundation and realize that you don’t need the defenses in the first place. When your foundation is strong you kind of relax into it and chill out. You just Are and don’t need to do anything
When you’re completely secure and confident in yourself (congruently) then there is no inflated ego because there is no inadequate or insecure feeling to compensate for. You’re just relaxed and constantly coming from a place of power all the time.
Great stuff!
Makes perfect sense!
So if Ascension is inflating my ego what does it mean in your opinion?
Is it teaching me to dissolve the ego?
Lol yeah it’s probably part of your internal growth. Most likely helping you become more congruent through introspection and self-awareness, etc.
Also be mindful of recon because sometimes we get angry/frustrated on recon and can easily take it out on others lol. Just always try to be the better man
But seriously you’ve nailed every aspect of character that I can’t stand being witness to or around.
Both can be (and often are) true.
Many dysfunctions involve fixation on (or regression to) characteristics that were more appropriate to an earlier stage of development. Sometimes this fixation is due to fear of the pain or the loss that will be associated with progressing to a more inclusive orientation.
And yes, this does involve subconscious frames (as does all growth and development).
Little bit of a ‘straw man’ here. Was not suggesting that learning or maturation must be exclusively conscious.
Ideally, we do, as we grow, learn (whether the learning is consciously driven or not) to value and to include the experiences, contributions, and perspectives of others. A failure to learn this will (and does) result in minimizing, negating, or belittling the value of others. Happens far too often.
Spending money (thankfully) doesn’t have to involve the abuse, bullying or putting down of others. But we are aware that the two often coexist quite (un-)happily, yes?
I agree with your points and I also agree with my own.
I would even combine them to say:
Trauma-fixated egos (and minds) often do not mature optimally.
I think this is the funniest thing I’ve seen in the past 2 days!
Also I’m surprised how much alpha-head-butting is NOT happening on the forum even though many are listening to EB, Emperor, and/or Khan. I think the ZPv2 is another amazing breakthrough.
@Malkuth I used to think you might be a re-incarnation of Buddha… but now I’m wondering if you might have been Carl Jung in a past life. 
I may have been his cleaning lady.
Only a person who was Carl Jung in a past life would say something like that.
You want me too…? I can be scary lion… rawwwrrr 
fear me… 
Plebe 
Oh yeh? Wanna make something of it and rumble with a true G?
There is a Spiritual reason for this.
And I understand your perspective @Luther24, why though should inflated ego have to equal trauma
When your ego becomes bigger than yourself, generally one would say it is inflated.
The self is the self, not the persona which is a conception formed as the ego, a limited constructed of who you, who you constantly deem as a existing, almost like you are figurating for a character or role in a theater plot… But it is not the true reality.
To deny your Self is to
lose youself.
and the ego is the root of all mental illness because it’s so fragile and causes hurt to the real being for the offence it takes as a personal…
The person starts to rule the self, instead of the self — the person.
A real tragedy if you ask me.
But if you inflate the ego like a balloon eventually it will explode anyway and from whence the real self will again arise!
explain wolf story
Nice.
Going to meditate on this one for a while.
Ya don’t say
hahahahahaa