Khan is not a simple equivalent of both and it offers a different line of development. Primal emphasizes a different path of growing as a social alpha and a sexual man than Khan. It also targets different qualities and traits development even though some of them are almost identical to those that are targeted by Khan. Phoenix offers a transformation no other sub does as it has a unique way of reshaping you, Total Breakdown is just another story. Both, Primal and Phoenix, have much more to offer than all what I’ve internalized thanks to them so far. Another thing is, I’m planning on running Khan and interlacing it with Khan Black in the form of stack rotation. However, as I mentioned before, there’s still some work that needs to get done on Primal and Phoenix. Then doing both Khans is going to be a blast, I can already tell.
I think a lot of us are running with the Dueling Khans
Phoenix is a revolutionary transformation indeed as I can see how much I’ve changed since I embarked on it six weeks ago. It causes “positive” recon episodes when elements of my psychological “burden” surface and I can deal with them on the conscious level through changing my perspective on them, and reforging them into my strength. Each episode causes fundamental changes in me that get internalized swiftly and they seem to be permanent like the sales copy says. For example, around one month ago I experienced a severe episode of this kind, when I questioned my very existence and its point, and while I felt like shit for an hour or two, then a powerful insight dawn on me, the episode passed, and I found a new strength in me which seems to have been carrying me since then. There have been more episodes of this kind, and it looks like Phoenix is not done with me yet as I’m becoming more and more aware of my psychological burden which I need to deal with the way Phoenix offers.
TWTP has disenchanted me when it comes to human nature and how we operate on the most basic levels of our existence and how those levels underlie our every action. The disenchantment hurts and it caused a slight recon in the form of “the cry of the soul” described by Saint, when the old has passed away yet the new is still mourning over its loss nonetheless. It’s temporary and I believe that the new “perspective” will be much more beneficial to me than if I had stayed enchanted by my ideal of human nature. My current experiences at work have played an important role in that shift as well.
I’m seeing that I’m rapidly changing from someone who is more liked and entertaining to someone who is more respected and socially domineering. Life seems to be no fun anymore but the pure social game.
Thanks to my stack I’ve become much more how I want to be within the span of a few weeks only, and I’m really amazed at the shift. That only confirms that the consistency in listening to your stack and taking the right action on a daily basis is the key to your transformation.
The easiest way to take the right action is to employ the most authentic, immediate and actionable intents, acting upon them on a daily basis, and relentlessly. Therefore, the changes come to you naturally, effortlessly and inevitably pretty fast.
I’ve become more regal in social context and combative in an indirect way, masking my combativeness with societal norms and my social charm. I’ve become really resilient and cunning socially incredibly fast, that’s really mind-blowing.
The only drawback, if I can call it so, is that I’m way less emotional and that makes my life and social interactions feel less colourful and more black and white. I enjoy life in a cool way whilst in the past I would enjoy it in a “hot” way. I’ve become more rational and less emotional. I only perceive it as a drawback since people around me can sense the change and they need to yet to figure out how to respond to me, since I’ve changed from a fun, yet respected, guy into someone who commands not only respect but flawless obedience, succumbing to my social position and influence.
I suppose that LBfH could counterbalance it when it comes to social interactions yet I don’t really bother to do so as I want to experience more of that new reality, learn from it and grow even further.
Now it’s only a matter of gauging how much more I could get out of Phoenix and switching to Total Breakdown when I’ve reached the “subliminal Pareto point” (20% of subliminal input time, aided by action aligned with the scripting, for 80% of the “sufficient” transformation), even though it’s only a highly abstract benchmark.
Phoenix has done an amazing job for me and I’m really curious what else it can do for me. All I need to do is to just be patient and live my life.
Phoenix has made developing the qualities and traits, that both, TWTP and Primal are supposed to unlock and strengthen in you, natural and effortless by reframing a lot of patterns around those qualities and traits that are “counterproductive” to their development.
On top of that, Phoenix has helped me unveil my main weaknesses I used to conceal from myself and deceive myself about. Namely, envy and animosity towards people who were fortunate not to have been broken psychologically in their youth like I did. That core weakness was revealed to me when I was listening to some other sub (LBfH if I’m not mistaken), yet it didn’t slap me right across my face like thanks to Phoenix. Apart from that, although it’s got minimized massively, my fear of life is still there, lurking in the recesses of my psyche.
Total Breakdown is a must, sooner or later.
I’ve been listening to TPTW for two months only but it’s already made me really good at the social game. Reading “The 48 Laws of Power” sped up and refined the learning. It’s much easier to strategize in social context and carry out social tactics on the fly.
Primal has made me way cooler when it comes to women and brought down the matrix related to women I used to live. My understanding of them and the way of dealing with them have improved massively with a few superficial experiences which were almost entirely social. I’m really curious how much I would grow given more “intense” experiences. We’re going to see.
My current framework:
- When I work with my stack I don’t focus on my lofty goals, ambitions or dreams but I deeply think about what I have and where I am in my life right now. I don’t ground myself in my dreams but in reality, thinking of my qualities and traits, my natural abilities and actual skills, and how I can employ them in my self-development. Then, out of that thinking process, I let my objectives and goals blossom.
- I employ the realization of my daily, most authentic, immediate and actionable intentions to back me up in achieving my objectives and goals.
- I take into account my OBJECTIVE limitations and discern which of them don’t require much effort to overcome and which would require a lot of energy and effort to overcome and could exhaust me or are not realistic to overcome. I chose the path of the least resistance, overcoming the easiest limitations, and that builds up my energy level and momentum that help me overcome more resistant limitations.
- I try to make the most of what I have and “who” I am at the moment.
Phoenix is gradually depowering my deeply-rooted insecurities and transforming the residue of my core weaknesses (social anxiety, low self-esteem, the victim mentality and defeatism) into my strengths. There’s also an emotion (inner motion) towards the psychological completeness, where those transformed insecurities and weaknesses get integrated into my core and that leaves me a lot of room and liberty for crafting my new “persona” (the surface of personality). It truly feels like becoming one with the shadow.
Not anymore… for I am Venom incarnated.
Phoenix has revealed to me the root of my two most detrimental insecurities: the fear of rejection and the feeling of not being respected. It occurred to me that they’re only in my mind, and I used to misread people’s behaviour through the lenses of those two insecurities, whilst it was almost always pure miscommunication.
On top of that, my emotional self-control and immunity to people’s negativity have improved massively.
Phoenix helps me shape my inner world to my liking through the sheer power of the “awakening” (perceptual shifts), stemming from my daily experiences and reflections upon them.
TWTP has changed me from an idealist and a man of moral principles into an opportunist whose moral attitude is the core of his social game and politicking. I’ve changed from a naive guy into a political being. I’ve become really shrewd. It took two months only… that’s really impressive.
Primal has made my social presence really pronounced and my social standing solid. I feel like fish in water in every social setting. That’s really huge for me since I used to suffer from social anxiety for pretty much whole my life.
How are you planning to do this? I’ve been thinking about it for a while, but I want to be careful. From what I understand, the TB part of Khan is so intense that it can easily overshadow the effects of another sub that’s stacked with it. So, currently, I’m on my second month of New Khan Stage 1(solo). I’m following Simon’s method to get the best results, and therefore it is unclear how many months I’ll need to deal with my limitations. Originally, my plan was to spend 2-3 months on Stage 1 and then another 2-3 months on Stage 2. After that, I would switch to Khan Black and go through all 4 stages. Only after that, I would go through the remaining New Khan stages. I timed it so that by the time I reach New Khan Stage 3, I’ll be in a place where I can actually go to social venues and get the most out of the subs and receive more feedback that way.
Does that sound like a meaningful plan to you?
I’ve just gone through another “positive” recon episode thanks to Phoenix, but this time it was the most vital one, I think, as it unveiled my deepest trauma, which is the heart of my shadow.
20 minutes ago I was getting really… desperate, thinking how different my life would have been if I hadn’t been broken psychologically as a child, how different I would be now… and suddenly I felt like a “beast”, making guttural howls (sic!) for a couple of seconds and then I uttered the words “there’s that beast in me that hates himself”.
Now I feel I need to go deeper into that revelation and try to work with it, although I have no idea how as of yet.
I’m thinking about running Khan St1 along with Primal and TWTP, then switch to Khan Black St1 (running the two titles along), then Khan St2, KB St2 and so on. I’m not sure when yet, as there’s been a lot of vital changes in me and in my life on my current stack. On top of that, I keep improving my subliminal framework and I can give up on that plan altogether.
That looks reasonable. The only thing I would think about would be not setting time frames but gauging my progress on the way.
I chose the way I described above since it looks “logical” to me to proceed this way. Grow as a man (Khan) and then work with my masculine energies. You need to adapt your approach to your unique psychological makeup, objective limitations, daily intents, and the amount and intensity of action taken on a daily basis. Just like I described here:
That’s my current framework I recommend to everyone.
Ya, I phrased it poorly, but I meant that since taking up Simon’s method, I see no point in sticking to some rigid and arbitrary schedule. It will depend on how long it’ll take to work through my self-imposed limitations, and that’s individual to me, of course. And I find your framework logical, which is why I asked for your opinion. If my circumstances were different and I were in a big city, the progression with the subs would be straightforward, and it would be more down to what kind of feedback I’d get from socializing. Looking through the old Khan journals, I got the impression that the most successful users aggressively went out from day 1, and got positive feedback loops this way.
Whereas for me, my current needs align with both Khan as well as Khan Black, but running them at the same time would likely just impede progress and knock me out.
Khan St1 is an excellent healing sub so is KB St1. You may want to go through those stages and then embark on KB 2-4, pairing it up with Primal or TWTP (or both) as it would build up really solid foundations for Khan St2-4. That’s all I would personally consider but again, I take into account my unique parameters (the ones mentioned in my framework). However, from what you wrote it seems you have a few opportunities to socialize, therefore, I would go for some other alpha title (when working with KB) like Emperor (if you are oriented towards running your own business, building your empire, plus romance and sex RIGHT NOW) or Ascension (to instill the “pure” alpha mindset in your psyche) or Spartan (if you go to the gym) or even Emperor Black (if you need more introspection and masculine spiritual work). Alchemist could be your bet as well, as it’s an alpha title too (sic!).
Excellent suggestions. Thanks a lot. I hadn’t actually thought about the idea that Stages 2-4 should be easier to stack with something else. That’ll make it easier. Alchemist and the Revelation of… series is actually the endgame title I feel most drawn to, but I understand that I need to get the social and sex trauma out of the way to have meaningful progress there, so that’s for the future.
I’ve got to the point where I REALLY feel unbounded by my past, and the oldest and most hindering patterns. It’s as if I had got off a terrible shoal finally and now I was able to sail up to the horizon.
It was less about healing and much more about reframing my past (its perception and understanding) and reshaping my mental patterns.
Phoenix has done a marvellous job for me in that regard. Although I’m sure I could benefit from Phoenix even more, since there are always more patterns to work on, I don’t deem it necessary, given that I know what patterns I should establish within my mental framework and how.
I ran one loop in the morning, and I’ll be running one more on Thursday, just in order to close the “cycle”.
Now I need to focus on reforging my patterns related to sex and seduction (SSX) as my current ones are not to my liking, and hinder my overal self-development.
I’ve just run the last loop of Phoenix and that concluded the two month cycle I had done on it.
Phoenix has helped me reframe my past due to the sheer power of insights I got. I haven’t had any “healing dreams” for a few weeks now, and some inner tension and turmoil I used to experience for pretty much my whole life on a daily basis has got lifted.
The two most terrible issues I had had for my whole life got resolved and I cannot discern any other deep issue I could have. Those two resolved issues were perceived rejection and perceived lack of respect for me. They made my life really difficult and painful, depriving me of countless beautiful experiences and connections I could have.
Those issues stemmed from my father rejecting me and showing me no respect on a daily basis for pretty much my whole life, and were like a self-fulfilling prophecy since upon those two perceived things I would act upon them in my social interactions and make them true due to doing so.
Another thing is, I think that most of my father rejecting me and showing me no respect was also constituted mainly by those distorted perceptions.
Those two issues did a lot of damage to my relationships with women as well, especially by lowering my self-esteem (regarding the romantic aspect of my life) and standards. They also hindered healthy development in that domain, therefore, my next focus will be fostering that development in order to facilitate my overall growth.
I chose Primal and SSX for the job as they cover the absolute essentials.
This is the second chapter of my Chronicles where the main theme is social seduction. It’s about fostering my natural charm, and improving my social prowess and influence. These are my goals:
- I want to keep developing all the qualities that are crucial for being a social mastermind and a charmer/influencer.
- I want to eradicate all my romance and sexual inhibitions, and express my sexuality unbounded.
- I want to be more strategic and effective when it comes to setting my goals and executing my plans.
- I want to improve my seduction and sex skills.
- I want to strengthen my masculinity and live a more “masculine” life.
For developing in the directions mentioned above, I’ll be running Primal+TWTP+Khan (TB) until I’m really satisfied with my progress or I find some other subs more suitable for my self-development.
I’ll be running my stack one program a day, every day, with a day off on Sundays and when really needed.
When listening to the first loop of Total Breakdown in the morning, I felt my whole body and mind got totally relaxed.
In the morning, I went to a clothes market and I walked with honour and moved with elegance and grace. There was pleasant yet strong fluidity to my body language.
Another thing is, it’s obvious to me how TB is taking what I’ve gained on Phoenix to the next level.
What’s interesting, Total Breakdown has already shown me what kind of social barriers I need to overcome in order to excel in the social domain. Those realizations gave me great material to introspect and work on overcoming those barriers in a conscious manner.
I wonder whether it would do the same when it comes to women. For now it’s about reestablishing my standards as far as I can see.
Upon reflecting on today’s experiences and what TB revealed to me it became obvious that the core social limitation is a subconscious assumption that I’m inferior to people in social settings.
Another revelation is related to seduction where I’m limited by the belief that I’m going to get rejected. It gets triggered when the seduction is smooth and fast, and mutual attraction is strong.
Those two revelations stemmed from my today’s relevant experiences.
TB is AMAZING
Now, when I’m analysing the whole day I can clearly see how that one loop of TB amplified TWTP and Primal results when it comes to the social game, social charm and unbounded expression.
This is something I expected but not immediately and to such a high degree.