while researching stark I just stumbled upon this amazing idea by another user.
this was posted almost 2 years ago.
this would be so helpful and eliminate the massive confusion that currently exists with so many different products.
do any of you know why this idea was never implemented?
it seems to me like an obvious 10/10 no brainer idea that would help everyone.
I believe the reason is simply prioritization.
Itâs an amazing idea. It might even already be on the roadmap. However, for the founders to do it would take a lot of work and they are more focused on other projects, especially with zp.
This would be a good community project.
I believe I could make a good comparison chart for the various wealth subliminals. However, i wouldnât be able to categorize the other main branches of sub clubâŚ
Iâm not even sure how many distinct categories there would be, but it would be something like
The key would be to have separate metrics unique to each category, in order to compare apples to apples not apples to oranges.
All subliminals have some factors in common.
But for example one useful distinction would be healing subs⌠is the sub focusing on past present or future? Also, is it a breakdown, reframe, or healing? How much does it induce joy vs help you face trauma? How stackable is it with non healing subs?
In wealth subs, productivity, status, fast manifestation vs slow manifestation; income level, how much are existing income streams requires to get best results⌠mogul would be a 0 for that one, rich would be an 8 or 10.
Seduction could be further expanded by looking at healing, inner vs outer game, push vs pull, physical shifting, warmth, sexual vs relational, and others. I dont listen to sex subs so idk.
Just kidding around, I have the same MBTI type as they do actually.
I donât get it
If you read the salespage then there is no confusion at all
Those numbers make zero sense, lol
Itâs going to feed the min/maxing perfectionist crap and create an illusion of objective superiority between subliminals.
I can argue that it does the opposite of the intended goal and creates less distinction.
If Mogul and RICH are both 5/5 wealth, does that really tell you anything useful?
It can make subliminals seem very similar and on the same level when in actuality they are completely different subliminals with different mechanisms.
New forum user:
âHi guys, Iâm a bit confused about Mogul and RICH. You see they are both rated 5/5 wealth so which one should I use and which one is better?â
Distinction when it comes to subliminals should never be found through abstract instrinsic number values because subliminals are incredibly personal and subjective (even moreso on ZP),
Given how peopleâs minds work, they are just going to look at numbers and not think about things.
They are going to put too much value on those abstract numbers when
what really needs to be discussed and pinpointed are YOUR goals, objectives, intentions, aspirations etc relative to your circumstances, endeavors and visions, etc.
Adding those numbers does more bad than good and will be misleading.
Each of these subliminals is a 5/5 in all areas of what they set out to accomplish.
I just saw a question where someone asked the differences between PS, S&S and WANTED.
Wanted = physical shifting
PS = inner + outergame
S&S = outer game
Thatâs crystal clear distinction in 3 seconds and enough information to figure out what one would need.
Hereâs the thing:
Most people arenât unclear about what the subliminals doâŚ
They are unclear about what their GOALS are.
Read that 20x times, lol
AgainâŚ
Itâs not that the product descriptions are unclear, itâs that their goals arenât clear.
and the cringey part that my Emperor ZP mindset doesnât jive with,
is that instead of taking responsibility and making their goals clearer, most people want to be handheld and have shit dumbed down to their level of clueless understanding to relieve
their sense of aimlessness.
No amount of handholding, and product description changes is going to change the fact that one needs to have clear goals.
There is more than enough distinction between subliminal products if you have clear goals.
@Leandros No confusion to you.
To add more detail, the 2 main problems I see precisely are:
Itâs been thought but is not the case that Objectives fully solves these problems. It didnât because, while Objectives are immensely beneficial to be added over the original text description, theyâre not concise and still sound extremely over-promising.
The issue of sounding over-promising comes down to the S (sensing) vs N (intuition) dichotomy. An S type is going see all these claims and be like âyeah rightâ.
A good option would be a simple list of goals to say âif you have goal X, use this subâ. That should be a limited list of goals, not the 20 objectives which amount to âuse Mogul because it will do everything in the universe relating to moneyâ. Then you read the R.I.C.H. sales page and it basically says âuse R.I.C.H. because it will do everything in the universe relating to moneyâ. So, as an example, something more useful would be a section like
Use Mogul if:
(thatâs just an example, not what Iâm saying to put)
Now, I think Iâve gathered some understanding on my own after 3 months of hundreds, maybe thousands, of hours reading on this forum so that the sales pages donât need to be improved for the sake of LikeADrugâs understanding. However, it is a very legitimate point that has been brought up by some users that it is a bad experience for many customers trying to understand the product descriptions. Sure, many of you on the forum can understand it, but the many different types of people reading are not represented.
I could not agree with this more, that is also my reason as to why a ânumberâ system would be detrimental.
If that is the case, the SubliminalClub should provide instruction informing as such. If a variety of different subliminals will work for the same goal and none should be seen as superior, they should say that obviously and explicitly somewhere. Because people like me will be like âwhy do these 2 products say they do the same thing in different words?â
However, the point (about illusory superiority) can be taken to against what is often said on this forum, for example that certain people should not run sub X because theyâre not prepared, implying another sub would be superior in a certain case.
If they just put the product name on the salespage then I would talk about confusion
But that is not the case
Yet, you cherry picked very specific details from the sales pages. Someone would have to dig and analyze forum posts for hours to know these descriptions as the actual essences of the products.
How do you suggest people choose clear goals that are good for them?
This is where our differences lie.
They use different words precisely because they do different things, and someoneâs inability to discern the differences between the words used should not blame their inability to do so on the founders. This is not a failure of the writer, but of the reader.
Itâs not a failure, itâs a difference in approach.
Thatâs not true at all.
Heâs referring to this thread, Iâd like you to look at the first half of my response (the only reply in the thread actually):
I literally just used quotations not even from the detailed description, but from the short blurb description. That alone gives enough information to differentiate between the 3.
How is it a difference in approach? The sales pages clearly describe the subliminals in detail, and do so in a way that differentiate one from another. Not being able to see that difference is a shortcoming on the part of the reader.
The difference is that certain types want you to tell them what to do as opposed to giving them information.
Ok I looked at your linked thread. The concise descriptions alone you gave would have not confused me if those were either alone on the sales page or somehow labeled as the most important information. Some people have a problem with extraneous information. When there is a large page of text, IDK what is important so it tends to lead me to overanalyzing trying to figure out what the intention is of including all this text which (a) repeats itself and (b) repeats other product pages.
Great ideas I think Saint and fire may use these ideas in the updated sales Page .
A highly accurate point but applied without sufficient nuance (and tact).
The original poster of this thread has highly detailed goals and is among the most non-conformist, independent posters on the forum. He sees what he wants and asks for it, regardless of what anyone else is saying or doing.
His desire for information is less that of a âchild wanting handholdingâ, and more that of an obsessively-detailed engineer or physicist who wants an equation for the exact movements of each of the waves in the ocean.
Itâs unlikely that the idea quoted in that original post would truly be useful for most users of subliminals. It robs users, a bit too much, of the power of imagination, creativity, and independent personal vision. (In my opinion, of course.)
But there may be possible, additional refinements to the descriptions that might appeal more to those with tangibility-focused preferences.
@MadaraUchiha Enhanced descriptions are (or were) on the road map. This seems to be in-process. I do not think that attempts at precise quantification in the descriptions will be helpful for the great majority of users. No amount of charts or tables can eliminate the importance of the subjective, intuitive dimensions of the mind.
But maybe working with customer service and the Roadmap could lead to some refinement that could help. Maybe not. Donât know.
I disagree, itâs 100% handholding, 100% of the time, lol
Show me the original posterâs âhighly detailed goalsâ along with their confusion with products in relation to those goals and Iâll show you exactly what is wrong with those goals and why they arenât âhighly detailedâ.
Hereâs a hint:
If you think that itâs a legitimate point, show me.
Since these different type of unrepresented people arenât here, lol
Do you have trouble finding the right subliminal because of the product descriptions?
Share your goals and tell me what youâre confused about with products.
There is a flaw in logic behind the jump from having clear goals and then not being able to choose a subliminal based off of the current product descriptions.
What youâre going to see, is that 100% of the time, the goals are too vague and not premised around anything concrete or specific enough especially on an introspective personal level to the individual. Thatâs what I mean by a clear goal.
The less clearer your goals are, the more confused youâre going to be and the more youâre going to believe that itâs a legitimate point.
Anyone who has an issue with the descriptions,
Show me a list of concrete goals that you aim to accomplishâŚ
One of my goals is to create new channels and pathways for revenue and maximize my financial potential while experiencing rapid internal growth (and external results) in every aspect of my life where money and wealth are involved.
So Iâm using Mogul ZP.
I have a clear goal and the sub has my goal written on it. What else do I have to do?
One of my other goals was to physically look more attractive to women, so I used WANTED ZP for about 94 days now and still counting.
Show me the confusion, in the product descriptions⌠in relation to your clear goals.
No one is âtrying to understandâ them, theyâre not ancient egyptian hieroglyphics, lol
Theyâre written in clear english
This is a great example of how to give a strawman argument.
People are discussing a system to illustrate the DIFFERENCES between subliminals. They wouldnât both be 5/5 on wealth because in my estimation anyways, âwealthâ wouldnât be a category.
See my posts on what I believe distinctions within categories would be and then tell me if anything you said still holds up after reading it.
âWell little timmy, as you can see here, Mogul and RICH actually differ in a lot of ways. Look at the chart! Mogul is more focused on internalized results, itâs fast acting, doesnât require any income streams to get maximum benefits off of, and itâs a sub that changes your personality. Itâs also light, but not as light as RICH. Meanwhile, RICH is more focused on manifestation, itâs extremely light, and it doesnât do so much for your personality like the multitude of things Mogul does, apart from getting you obsessed about money. So, Little Timmy, to answer your question based on the chart, I guess itâs safe to say that if you have a business already and just want to manifest some extra wealth from it quickly, you could listen to RICH. However, if you want to start a business, or you want to make your business have better systems so that it can hit a record year this year, then, MOGUL would be the way to go. And of course, later on down the road, you can replace mogul with EOG or HOM. RICH is more of a stacking module, like you can see on the chart, so itâs actually something thatâs always easy and able to put into any stack of your choosing, whereas with mogul you would eventually upgrade it for another denser subliminal.â