Always getting capped at 30s with subs, anyone else?

[Melody]

@Fractal_Explorer

I know we’re supposed to increase exposure over time but my problem is I can never tell.

I’m curious, who says this?

[Fractal_Explorer]

Lucky for you I was reading this today so I didn’t have to hunt it down lol

Main Disc. Thread - NFTW Midseason Finale

Remember that the point of microloops isn’t to remain at 30s, but to eventually increase exposure over time. Also, focus less on “the entire script” (I get it, everyone – why you all are concerned about this) and more on results. As you start to get results, you will notice that more exposure comes easier. We’re no longer focusing on raw power and more on getting people the results they want. This is the solution we came up with, as it follows nature. As I mentioned before, the more punches yo…

[Melody]

Thanks! If Saint said eventually increase, then the time frame will be different for everyone so it’s when you’re ready. So maybe it’s not that you can never tell when to increase your exposure, but maybe it’s really that you may need to learn a way of understanding that for yourself perhaps

[Fractal_Explorer]

I think you’re right. I think I have to deconstruct my more self critical habits that cause me to believe I’m not doing enough by running 30s.

[Melody]

Then deconstruct a way my friend and only more power to you!

[Sub.Zero]

When you find your sweet spot of not too much reconciliation but enough to be progressing steadily, you are golden.

I encourage you to read the Source thoroughly.

Apart from that, perhpas reading this post in my journal will come in handy.

[MechaShaman]

There you got your pattern…not doing enough…i know this so much…for me it is if i am not doing enough, not pushing myself enough, i am not worthy…when i am not suffering, i am not doing enough

I am finally getting to a happy, comfortable life and my parents dont understand me at all anymore…they keep telling me, that in life you have to push yourself…that doing things you dont like to do (all the shoulds) is part of life…

For me, khan changed that i stopped overexposing myself massively…and lovebomb put it further so that i just listen as much so that i dont experience any recon anymore. I am done with leading a life in heavy recon. My life changes fast enough when i am doing good. Subs are a toop so my life gets better, not something for me to fuck myself up.

[Fractal_Explorer]

That definitely echoes my own experiences of how all this works. Now to just stay on 30s because I know that’s the sweet spot for me right now.

[sid]

So this discussion is funny most people in that thread or community didn’t know about set and forget method we were usually listening to hours hours in a day . That was the industry overall then subliminal club upgraded the game to a much different one 15 minutes loops … Use that it’s just 15 minutes not 12 or 18 hours. 15 minutes and your mind will execute beautifully and at the same time you Train your mind to deal with that level of information . But 30 second and when you increase it to one minute you get recon . Hit the 15 minutes buddy…

[Fractal_Explorer]

You have to be careful saying stuff like this. That’s your personal experience with 15 minutes. I’m not as impressionable but you could very well lead someone else down a road of frustration.

[WorldOvertaker]

@Fractal_Explorer

I was under the impression it had to be done in 30s increments.

I mean, nothing is stopping you even from adding 1 sec each time - there are hundreds of pages of the script compressed into 15 min track, surely there’s going to be some comprehensible (to your subconscious) input in even 1 sec.

Also, make sure to take more action in order to allign yourself more with the objective. This might be blocking your progress. I thought I take enough action but once I clarified my framework, I realized that I basically did nothing lol

[Sub.Zero]

@sid

15 minutes and your mind will execute beautifully and at the same time you Train your mind to deal with that level of information . But 30 second and when you increase it to one minute you get recon . Hit the 15 minutes buddy…

Yeah, I’ve seen that lots of times on the forums. People running microloops and getting bad recon.

On the other hand, I’ve experienced myself my mind accommodating to more and more subliminal input (proceeding in accordance with sweet spot method) really fast multiple times. However, we need to remember what Fire mentioned above:

@Fire

Extreme suffering or forcing yourself is also not necessary - what’s necessary is the proper dosage, dependent on each individual’s unique inner makeup.

and proceed cautiously.

Knowing your reconciliation cycle is key here.

@SaintSovereign

That’s why we recommend sticking with major titles until you’ve learned your own natural recon cycles and what topics will cause recon.

[TheGreenMan]

Just going straight into 15 minutes loops can easily lead to stonewalling which IMO is often worse than “normal” recon, as nothing moves at all anymore for a while.

Starting with micro loops and very slowly increasing is good and recommended.

Regarding recon: In my experience one factor a bit underdiscussed is how/if you expect recon. As with many aspects subliminal recon can give a lot of projection space for FUD. If I sit alone at home, listen to a sub and waiting for recon to hit, “recon” will hit. (probably with a good bit of autosuggestion)

To change my attitude towards recon/subs in the beginning it helped me to listen to my favourite music, watch ARCHER (my TV happy place) or enjoy a lovely choco tartelette while listening to it. Scent often helps too.

Even better’s listening to a sub and going straight into action taking. (e. g. listening to a social sub and heading straight to a party with friends.) And not thinking about the sub at all, but concentrating on the (party) action.

[Sub.Zero]

@TheGreenMan

Just going straight into 15 minutes loops can easily lead to stonewalling which IMO is often worse than “normal” recon, as nothing moves at all anymore for a while.

I never experienced stonewalling on ZP and I’ve run almost 50% what’s on the store in ZP, trying various listening patterns. Yet, we’re all unique.

What people mistake for stonewalling is reconciliation fog that clouds our results’ perception.

[Fractal_Explorer]

@TheGreenMan

Regarding recon: In my experience one factor a bit underdiscussed is how/if you expect recon. As with many aspects subliminal recon can give a lot of projection space for FUD. If I sit alone at home, listen to a sub and waiting for recon to hit, “recon” will hit. (probably with a good bit of autosuggestion)

To change my attitude towards recon/subs in the beginning it helped me to listen to my favourite music, watch ARCHER (my TV happy place) or enjoy a lovely choco tartelette while listening to it. Scent often helps too.

This is definitely something I haven’t considered, thank you. I’ve probably got a lot of conditioning and bad associations that could use rewiring to make the whole event of listening to the subs feel good vs preparing for battle.

[TheGreenMan]

@Sub.Zero

What people mistake for stonewalling is reconciliation fog that clouds our results’ perception.

Some might. For me stonewalling is different. (I had it a couple of months shortly after the introduction of ZP while “overdosing”.) I had bad recon, listened to even more subs, the recon vanished, I (relatively suddenly) had a pretty clear mind (I’ve a lot of experience with brainfog), so no recon, but also no results, no feeling of “the subconscious is working on something”, no pressure inside the mind. Nothing of the sort. It was a weird and quite distinct feeling. A bit like a mental lane closure.

So, yeah, we are all pretty unique.

[Fractal_Explorer]

Just wanted to say I appreciate everyone’s input on this. I have some challenges I face when it comes to the subs and I always have. It’s been a long process trying to figure out what personally works best for me. I absolutely get results but the balance is pretty skewed and I’m in recon land more often than just enjoying life so I’ve been looking to change that.

[Sub.Zero]

@TheGreenMan

no feeling of “the subconscious is working on something”, no pressure inside the mind.

Like @Hoppa, who gets great results despite the fact he “feels nothing” on subs.

Reconciliation fog is even trickier than the lawyer’s game when we get classical recon.

[TheGreenMan]

Really kinda hard to compare these kinds of very personal experiences.

If I remember correctly @Hoppa listened to it according to recommendations, one sub, trusting the process. I was sub hopping, not sure what would work for me and overdosing. Really not comparable. And a gazzilion other factors (for me e. g. a very stubborn critical factor, tendencies to overthink). It was not reconciliation fog. It felt like a weird partly shutdown in internal communication for a several week/months.

[Fractal_Explorer]

I’ve had this so I know what you’re talking about. In my case I have different parts of my mind. Someone in there will pull the plug entirely if I overdo it. Then to prevent further harm essentially close down the bridge of communication.