Always getting capped at 30s with subs, anyone else?

[Fractal_Explorer]

So at this point with subs I fall into this pattern. Run 30s for a month or two,feel better, think me feeling better means I’m ready for 1 min, ok on 1 min for a bit, gradual degradation of mood I don’t realize and attribute it to something I’m doing wrong vs the sub exposure being wrong, go back to 30s, potentially end up doing it again when I start feeling better.

I don’t know why I do this. And it’s so subtle at times. I know we’re supposed to increase exposure over time but my problem is I can never tell. Like at this point I honestly feel like committing to 30s for a year and never changing it because I’m tired of hurting myself unintentionally by pushing myself beyond my mental capacity for the sake of growth.

It seems like for me personally there has to be quick enough processing so there isn’t stacking overlap. Like think of each listening day bleeding to the next and there’s a threshold point that it eventually pokes beyond. Similarly increased rest days aren’t good because that’s when old behaviors can resurface and there isn’t enough activation of the scripting to offset a fall back into not so great behavior and thoughts. So I need consistency without overload due to unprocessed stacked exposure. But that is the complication because that spill over effect isn’t something immediately obvious until I’m knee deep in it.

[ksub]

Here is the main question: are you getting results from the 30s loops?

[Sub.Zero]

@ksub

Here is the main question: are you getting results from the 30s loops?

Of course not, that’s why he runs 30s loops.

@Fractal_Explorer

I know we’re supposed to increase exposure over time but my problem is I can never tell.

As long as you don’t get bad recon for longer than 2-3 days, that’s the way to go. Recon is always there. However, oftentimes it’s imperceptible and it can cloud our results’ perception. No need to be worried about that.

@Fractal_Explorer

pushing myself beyond my mental capacity

Only if you’re getting the symptoms of overexposure; brain fog, low energy levels etc.

[Fractal_Explorer]

Yes I do. And I know that should be end of discussion there. But I do this to myself ALL the time. It’s gotten to the point where it feels like an inside joke between me and my subconscious.

@Sub.Zero

Of course not, that’s why he runs 30s loops.

*She. But I do get results from 30s. It probably just mirrors my current capacity and I have no patience for myself.

@Sub.Zero

As long as you don’t get bad recon for longer than 2-3 days, that’s the way to go. Recon is always there. However, oftentimes it’s imperceptible and it can cloud our results perception. No need to be worried about

Yeah my problem is I have a tendency to not recognize when recon is bad because there’s not enough contrast in my life for it to be immediately obvious. So I’m more likely to end up brute forcing things.

[MechaShaman]

I also cant really listen to much more than 30s-1m without getting headache withhin some minutes/hours.

But i get amazing results by subs. So why bother?

Interestingly enough i recently started with paragon and can listen to that for several minutes.its the first sub that works like this.

What do you experience when listening to subs? Do you feel an immediate result or shift withhin you?

The thing i learned is: slow and steady is fast

[Evolver]

If you have quantum limitless, Maybe you can try listening to stage one for 1 or 2 cycles.

It will upgrade your hardware to maybe increase your listening limits.

Have you tried it before?

[Fractal_Explorer]

Yeah very immediate. Usually an hr or two after listening I can tell when it’s starting to settle and intermingle with existing beliefs. But I also feel a very noticable state shift while listening

Truthfully I kinda wish subclub did power levels for subs. I think there can be benefit to a large amount of scripting but a decreased power level.

@Evolver

If you have quantum limitless, Maybe you can try listening to stage one for 1 or 2 cycles.

It will upgrade your hardware to maybe increase your listening limits.

Have you tried it before?

I’ve never tried this, I did have pragya in customs about a year ago and didn’t notice much improvement. I’m not 100% sure it’s a capacity thing it might be more of a sensitivity.

[Evolver]

well you haven’t tried it so you wont know till then.

What other brain subs did you use in the past?

I am trying to understand because you said the processing bleeds into the next day. Sounds like if hardware is upgraded sensitivity will decrease automatically.

[Sub.Zero]

@Fractal_Explorer

So I’m more likely to end up brute forcing things.

There’s no such a thing on ZP, especially now, with the NSE.

@Fractal_Explorer

Yeah my problem is I have a tendency to not recognize when recon is bad because there’s not enough contrast in my life for it to be immediately obvious.

It’s bad when you cannot handle it or when it has a negative impact on the key areas of your life like your relationships, for example.

[Leandros]

Be kind to yourself and do 30 second loops

What works, works

It simple

[Bull_of_Shiva_999]

In my first ever 3 weeks with the subs (i didn’t know about the microloops yet) i did full 15 minutes i listen Emperor every other day (some days 2 loops).

-Did i get a crazy recon?
-Nope.
-Did i get some recon?
-Yes.
-Was it more than i could handle?
-Nope.

My point is don’t worry about it so much and just YOLO it.

[Fractal_Explorer]

@Evolver

well you haven’t tried it so you wont know till then.

What other brain subs did you use in the past?

I am trying to understand because you said the processing bleeds into the next day. Sounds like if hardware is upgraded sensitivity will decrease automatically.

None really. You do raise a good point. I’ll consider that avenue.

It’s complicated. I write a lot of theories from time to time as a result of just trying to figure out how to get the subs to work best for me. But to me there’s two types of processing. There’s purely cognitive processing, where you’re trying to solve a problem or utilize brain power to enact some life changes. Then there’s emotional processing. An upgrade in hardware won’t necessarily effect the emotional processing capacity if that’s born out of deep defense mechanisms. It’s not a manner of more power or capacity, but communication and understanding. I don’t know if that makes more sense?

@Sub.Zero

There’s no such a thing on ZP, especially now, with the NSE.

I’m talking about brute forcing my life just to be clear. You absolutely can still brute force your emotional responses into submission. It has nothing to do with ZP, just dysfunctional emotional regulation which is something I’ve struggled with for years.

@Sub.Zero

It’s bad when you cannot handle it or when it has a negative impact on the key areas of your life like your relationships, for example.

Outer metrics are probably more useful for me to take note of moving forward vs internal experiences. So you raise a good point here.

[Fractal_Explorer]

Lol noooooo. 15 minutes would destroy me. Before we had micro loops and 15 minutes was the standard for everyone I’d listen to subs and I’d almost pass out. The next day I’d do weird stuff like put my phone in the refrigerator, drop words from a sentence, walk into things, etc. Some serious overload, I don’t want to revisit that again. Yolos have gotten me into a lot of trouble.

[Evolver]

@Fractal_Explorer

An upgrade in hardware won’t necessarily effect the emotional processing capacity if that’s born out of deep defense mechanisms. It’s not a manner of more power or capacity, but communication and understanding. I don’t know if that makes more sense?

I totally understand. But again look at this from QL st1

@SaintSovereign

This transformation goes beyond mere surface-level improvements; it delves into the very core of your physiological makeup. It involves the intricate rewiring of your neural patterns,

@SaintSovereign

you’ll break free from the invisible chains that have long held you back: the deep-seated limiting beliefs and the lingering emotional wounds that have subtly shaped your perceptions and reactions. Quantum Re-Balance is meticulously engineered to not only identify these hidden barriers but to actively work towards dissolving them, liberating you from their grasp.
The process is akin to a meticulous cleansing of the mind, where every negative belief and every scar from past emotional traumas is addressed and healed. This healing isn’t just surface-level; it’s deep and thorough, reaching into the core of your being to free you from the restraints you may not have even realized were there.

[Evolver]

[Fractal_Explorer]

Ok I will seriously consider this. I know trauma physically alters the brain and depression as well. And I’ve had a looooot of that in my life. Maybe it is time for an upgrade so I can get more benefits from the subs.

[MechaShaman]

Wow that sounds very interesting! I was wondering how paragon may also help with rewiring the brain after lovong in trauma patterns for the first 30 years of my life.

Also @Fractal_Explorer its interesting that you also are stuggeling woth emotional regulation…for me ot starts to work out after now 2 years of somatic experiecing theraphy…but it takes time to fully embody all that.
I can very very deeply recommend the 5 personality patterns by stehen kessler…working through it currently and its the best book i have envountered yet in how trauma alters our emotional system!

[Bull_of_Shiva_999]

@Fractal_Explorer

The next day I’d do weird stuff like put my phone in the refrigerator

LOL.

I am ofc not saying do 15 minutes, just stop worrying that’s all.

[Fractal_Explorer]

I’ll check it out!

A lot of my journey with trauma is actually erasing a bunch of toxic positivity behaviors and new age magical thinking coping I picked up when younger. I’ve had to really look at myself and be like “look you’re a physical being, you have to acknowledge how that plays into all these difficulties, you can’t quantum leap into a life where this doesn’t exist”. I hung around a lot of forums where victim blaming and shaming was thrown around or that people wanted to be ill or struggle. It was nasty. There was such a divide between privileged individuals who got what they wanted through LoA and those who struggled and were ostracized. I’ve never seen as much toxicity as in the new age communities tbh.

It’s impossible to change if there’s constant denial of what is actually wrong. I love subliminals and what they can aid us in doing. But it does hurt sometimes coming to terms with everything. I know it’s necessary though.

[MechaShaman]

Wonderful words!

This also something i am currently thinking about…where is the line between magical thinking and creating your own reality? This is also where i struggeled then…when reality doesnt change…its you who doesnt believe enough or eathever…victim shaming again…

I personally believe that the foundation is to come with terms with what is…only then change can happen.

But what we see here at subclub is that indeed we can shape a lot of our physical reality…what i have read in the paragon thread was quite impressive.

The thing i know from my yogic studies is that physical reality simply changes the slowest…but it is possible.

Edit: @Fractal_Explorer i just wondered: have you ever experimented with listening to the 30 second loops more often? Like everyday? Or twice a day?