Always getting capped at 30s with subs, anyone else?

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#21

So much the same. I want to challenge my limits, but I don’t want to get my head so far up in the clouds I lose grounding.

I think that is why ZP is important. That tunneling to your core self and from that core self the life unfolds outward. But getting there can be tough because we don’t always like to acknowledge the truths of who we are.

I have tried 30s every day, it wasn’t for me. I faced the same overexposure/overload patterns. 30s is enough sometimes to have me processing day of and into the next day. It’s kinda crazy how such a short loop is so dense for me. I can feel it as it passes through phases in my mind too. From surface level then downward, each level is like a different world. Some accessible to me, some deeper unknown areas I just feel but can’t really interact with.

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#22

Have you tried this yourself or know anyone that has and worked for them? I ask this becuase if it works I definitely need this.

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#23

why not just add 5-10 sec at a time, or even less?

Also, how long have you been sticking to the same stack?

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#24

  • Can you share more about your listening pattern? For instance, if you usually listen in the morning, try switching to 1 (or 45 sec) minute before bed to see if it makes a difference.

  • Based on your experience, it might be best to stick with 30 seconds for a longer period, like a year. This could help your system fully process the subs without risking overload.

  • Keep a detailed journal of your subliminal listening habits and any changes in mood or behavior. This can help you spot signs of overload earlier.

  • If you decide to increase your exposure in the future, do it gradually—add just 5 seconds at a time and monitor how you feel.

#25

It works for me
i have use QL st1 to completely improve my mental limits. I couldn’t cross 5 to 7 minutes. Now it is more than 10minutes for most subs.

#26

People like to freak out over not having mind-blowing energetic experiences or not having to listen for hours a day, almost as if they believe real changes cannot come without extreme suffering or pushing themselves to the limit.

Fancy energetic experiences don’t matter. You can get one by just focusing on your finger for an hour straight - it’s nothing special. Can get it from any YouTube modality of self-improvement. It’s easy.

Extreme suffering or forcing yourself is also not necessary - what’s necessary is the proper dosage, dependent on each individual’s unique inner makeup.

Actual real results and transformation is what matters. If you’re getting changes on 30 seconds, enjoy it, and if you want to increase it for experimentation sake, do it slowly with a couple seconds here and there - but there’s no need if you’re getting good results.

Good results always trump any self-made ideas, concepts, wild experimentations, fancy phenomena, etc. Use that as your core metric.

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Ice ice cold... :snowflake:
#27

I was under the impression it had to be done in 30s increments.

Oh boy my stack. Well I’ve been on HoT for about 5 months now. Genesis for the last two. Prior to that it was Phoenix instead of Genesis. I’ve been pretty consistent. I might have to look back on my journal to see patterns of what was working for me.

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#28

This is the heart of my issue. Logically I know this isn’t the case but I’m stuck in patterns of doing this to myself because it’s all I’ve known for most of my life.

Is there anything you’d recommend running that could squash that so I don’t impulsively keep doing it? I just went through my journal and I wrote this exact same experience months ago so apparently awareness isn’t enough for me. There’s something else causing this.

And trust me I realize how dumb it is to keep making the same mistake over and over but not learning from it.

#29

I’m curious, who says this?

#30

Lucky for you I was reading this today so I didn’t have to hunt it down lol

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#31

Thanks! If Saint said eventually increase, then the time frame will be different for everyone so it’s when you’re ready. So maybe it’s not that you can never tell when to increase your exposure, but maybe it’s really that you may need to learn a way of understanding that for yourself perhaps :thinking:

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#32

I think you’re right. I think I have to deconstruct my more self critical habits that cause me to believe I’m not doing enough by running 30s.

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#33

Then deconstruct a way my friend and only more power to you! :sunglasses:

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#34

When you find your sweet spot of not too much reconciliation but enough to be progressing steadily, you are golden.

I encourage you to read the Source thoroughly.

Apart from that, perhpas reading this post in my journal will come in handy.

:snowflake:

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#35

There you got your pattern…not doing enough…i know this so much…for me it is if i am not doing enough, not pushing myself enough, i am not worthy…when i am not suffering, i am not doing enough

I am finally getting to a happy, comfortable life and my parents dont understand me at all anymore…they keep telling me, that in life you have to push yourself…that doing things you dont like to do (all the shoulds) is part of life…

For me, khan changed that i stopped overexposing myself massively…and lovebomb put it further so that i just listen as much so that i dont experience any recon anymore. I am done with leading a life in heavy recon. My life changes fast enough when i am doing good. Subs are a toop so my life gets better, not something for me to fuck myself up.

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#36

That definitely echoes my own experiences of how all this works. Now to just stay on 30s because I know that’s the sweet spot for me right now.

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#37

So this discussion is :face_with_monocle::face_with_monocle: funny most people in that thread or community didn’t know about set and forget method we were usually listening to hours hours in a day . That was the industry overall then subliminal club upgraded the game to a much different one 15 minutes loops … Use that it’s just 15 minutes not 12 or 18 hours. 15 minutes and your mind will execute beautifully and at the same time you Train your mind to deal with that level of information . But 30 second and when you increase it to one minute you get recon . Hit the 15 minutes buddy…

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#38

You have to be careful saying stuff like this. That’s your personal experience with 15 minutes. I’m not as impressionable but you could very well lead someone else down a road of frustration.

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#39

I mean, nothing is stopping you even from adding 1 sec each time - there are hundreds of pages of the script compressed into 15 min track, surely there’s going to be some comprehensible (to your subconscious) input in even 1 sec.

Also, make sure to take more action in order to allign yourself more with the objective. This might be blocking your progress. I thought I take enough action but once I clarified my framework, I realized that I basically did nothing lol

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#40

Yeah, I’ve seen that lots of times on the forums. People running microloops and getting bad recon.

On the other hand, I’ve experienced myself my mind accommodating to more and more subliminal input (proceeding in accordance with sweet spot method) really fast multiple times. However, we need to remember what Fire mentioned above:

and proceed cautiously.

Knowing your reconciliation cycle is key here.

:snowflake:

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