Advice for Experimental listening pattern required

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#1

I have realized I’m terrible at even the most basics of power games (if i’m not running any subs). Here is the listening pattern I’m gonna use:

day 1: [dragon reborn red st4 + sanguine + mdfy: conscious guidance custom (it has 20 modules)] (full 15 mins) + E:TWTP (1 min)
day 2: E:TWTP (30 secs)
Repeat

I’m doing E:TWTP 30 secs in break day coz I don’t wanna get caught with my pants down on the break days.

I hope this stack will give me good results and make me atleast average in power games in maximum of 2 cycles.

Dragon reborn st4 custom will work in tandem wid E:TWTP to purge any negative subconscious structures holding my power back.

So, my question is: Is this experimental pattern workable?

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#2

You won’t… Because subs will work powerfully in the next day already. It will most likely just overload you and disrupt the ongoing processes…

just rest at “rest” day…

That’s my opinion though, feel free to listen what other’s have to say…

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#3

For me they process but don’t give any short term boosts that I get if I run the subs the same day.

Overloading is a legitimate concern. I wanna hear what others have to say.

#4

This situation aligns with the upcoming guidelines for ZPU that Saint has begun describing.

On your non-subliminal days rather than a micro-loop, try doing real-world practices that help you with this area. For example, journal or talk to a therapist about the actual power dynamics that you are observing and experiencing around you. Think about how you would ideally wish to respond to them.

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#5

Talking to therapist is something I haven’t tried. I’ll think about it.

On doing micro loops, I’ve seen people run crazy stacks wid 9 cores (in 3 customs). Will it really be problematic if I do a micro loop on break days. Plus on break day, my dragon reborn st4 custom will be processing. The micro loop of E:TWTP could synergize wid it and hit deep. What do U think?

#6

tbh a 30 second microloop on day 2 seems a bit like pissing in the wind (in case you don’t get the metaphor, a pointless or fruitless task), but I have seen people running such small loops. I personally wouldn’t go any shorter than 1:30 on a microloop. But YMMV.

Why not experiment with doing a longer E:TWTP on a different day and then rest? If your loop is solid enough it will carry through processing and expressing more than one day, at least that’s my experience. The key is to test your own limits cautiously and find what is optimum for you (while taking responsibility for any overexposure). The guidelines are based on observations from a large number of individuals so as not to overexpose, but they break when getting into more complicated stacks.

I’d suspect day 1 is too dense and it could be stretched out into day two with a longer TWTP microloop somewhere in there before rest. Or, cycling two slight variants of day 1 spaced 2 days apart with either DRR or custom but not both. Key is the microloop can be stretched a bit longer and then test that its influence carries over into your rest day… with the kind of action taking @Malkuth recommended. Try to space the subs out so it doesn’t hit you all at once, but solid enough that its not just white noise. I would be betting it not carrying over would be a sign to increase the length of the ML.

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#7

That’s kinda why I’m doing it on the break day. I get the short term boosts but my stack processing doesn’t get overloaded.

I don’t understand what you mean, could u rephrase it? To reiterate: I am using one drst4 custom and E:TWTP on day 1 and on day 2: microloop of E:TWTP.

#8

ok, that wasn’t clear from your post. You wrote:

This sounds like 3 subs, THEN a microloop. If its one custom with those two as cores, it would make more sense to say it like that. I see the “15 mins” tacked on the end now… usually ppl dont bother listing the cores out in their customs so I got confused.

If its just custom + TWTP, I’d be testing increasing the length of the microloop myself, but just not doing a second microloop the next day. Of course, experiment and see what works for you, but that’s what I would do.

Usually as far as rest days I’ll run a complex stack 1, maybe two days in a row rotating the subs as needed, and then my body/mind will just know its time for a rest day anyway. There’s also little tricks you can do to improve processing aside from taking action. Sleep and electrolytes are important, plus any dietary stuff to keep your brain fed.

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#9

Can I get more responses, plz?

#10

I know a few user use 30 second loops of LE each morning for productivity. But they’ve run LE for an extended time before, so the 30 seconds work rather like a reminder for the subconscious.
So since you didn’t run long loops of E:tWtP for some time yet, I don’t see it working this way.

On the other hand, what does this quantum loop do? It adds to your processing queue.

On a normal listening day, you fill your processing queue with both subs. Then you give your subconsciousness time to work through all the input. Usually two days. Then you put new material on the processing queue by listening to subs again, hoping that it’s cleared out already.

For the cases when people put much more on the processing queue than their mind can stomach in two days and they just continue overfilling it, we have the 5 processing days at the end of each cycle.

So let’s say you’re running 30 seconds on day two. What does it do?

  • Scenario 1: you’re done with processing already:
    than it adds to the queue and you can start processing immediately.

  • Scenario 2: You’re not done processing yet:
    Then it adds to your queue. Hopefully you get it processed till you next input, or at least it doesn’t pile up into overexposure (unlikely I hope) until the end of the cycle.

  • Scenario 3: You’re done with processing but you have run tWtP for some time now:
    it’s like seeing the intro of your favorite tv show and you get into the right mood, flushed with the right energy

  • Scenario 4: You’re done with processing and don’t run another microloop:
    You go straight into execution and can work with the new insights straight away because your mind isn’t occupied with processing and integrating new beliefs.

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#11

Thanks for Ur analysis.

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#12

I get an immediate short term boost in my power game skills if i run 30 secs pcc on the second day. What do u think about this?

#13

@Parsifal is spot on. It’s like listening to the theme of Greatest American Hero but never getting to the part where Ralph finds the suit or meets Bill. You’re only getting a very small part of the script and don’t have anything to connect that script with your previous experience of a full loop.

Maybe you already have some skills from TWTP already that get activated from the short burst, bur if you want the skills to stabilise the full loop is essential. There are different ways you can structure your stack depending on how fast you process things, but the point is the tiny microloops are not going to help create any permanent change without the past loops to refer back to. Or at least a half loop. You’re only getting part of the script, and the idea is to get used to the processing from that little bit and then extend gradually until you’re getting the full script. Once you have the full script, the short microloops will be more effective.

#15

I’m not 100% sure that this is correct. I remember saint saying microloops can be used for permanent change.

Can someone plz verify @emperor_obewan 's post?

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#16

FFS.

Time to do a bit of reading.

#17

As is typical of me, I think that it’s better to focus on a different question.

My perspective:

The fact that you think you may need to run a microloop on rest days indicates to me that you’re worried about losing ‘progress’ or ‘momentum’ between plays.

The thing is though that many people are pretty vague about what ‘progress’ or ‘momentum’ actually are because they’re more focused on tweaking the subliminals than they are on tweaking their lives.

Shift the focus to your life. Use real-world, real-life metrics to establish how your making progress and how much momentum you have. This will be a more effective way to guide the week-to-week changes that you want to make in your listening patterns.

In the absence of metrics, most of us will just rely on mood, emotions, or beliefs to guide the changes we make or the experiments we try. (In broad terms: if I’m feeling uncertain or unsure, I’ll play more. If I’m feeling comfortable and relaxed, I’ll play less.) Actually, even real-world metrics don’t work perfectly; but at least they’re often better than the alternatives.

#18

Microloops are 30 seconds to 3 minutes. That can be the full script of the 1st stage. So yes, it can lead to lasting change.

Especially if you consider that the sub may just have to break through some basic subconscious structures (that still can have a crippling effect).

And for the 30 seconds having an immediate effect, it could mean either that you’re done processing with the input from the day before, or that you subconscious processes it with a higher priority.

Another effect could be, that it resonates with scripting from another sub you listened to prior to tWtP with a similar objective or scripting that can be used for the same objective you’ve set for tWtP.

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#19

Lasting change for the tiny part of the script represented by the 30s, sure. But like Saint says in the posts above, the full script usually isn’t totally exposed until the 3-5 minute mark. If you want the full effects of the script, I’d stick with the advice to gradually ramp up. Clearly if the effects are “vanishing” with time the posts above would state to gradually ramp up exposure.

There are some rare individuals that can get by with only very small loops, but they’re usually people who have been running the subs for years and have material for the microloop to lean on.

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#20

I’m doing 30 secs on break days to get a boost of ability to play social power games. I’m making sure I don’t get manipulated on break days, which is working well for me.

Do you think my current listening pattern of E:TWTP (day 1: 1 min, day 2: 30 secs) is good enough to cause lasting changes?

#21

That’s essentially saying the same thing.

In my opinion, you’re thinking too much about the subliminal and not enough about yourself.

(It is just my opinion).

I think this may be because, other than the subliminal, you’re not really aware of what you can do to deal with the issue. So, you feel you have to grasp at and grip the subliminal.

The truth is probably different. The subliminal is a reminder for you to connect to your own ability to deal with the situation. You’ll still have that ability even without the subliminal. With the sub it is even stronger.

But as I keep saying, that is my opinion.

As long as you’re not feel overloaded and overexposed, you can use your own method and practice to learn and to grow.

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