I forgot that Chosen From Within is an experimental sub that you only get when you purchase Chosen. People had great results with it.
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I think that thereâs a middle ground and that you can do some of what you want at the same time that you are healing.
It doesnât have to be All or Nothing.
But this requires you to be flexible. Most of us have trouble with that sometimes. Thatâs part of what my post above was trying to get at.
As you are healing, you can also leapfrog from enjoyment to ever greater enjoyment.
Take me for example. I have not yet progressed to the point where Iâm creating my own machine or organization. Itâs not here yet. And yet here I am running Emperor and Ecstasy of Gold.
Am I expressing my full potential or the full potential of the programs yet? No, Iâm not.
At the same time, in the past year or so, Iâve manifested:
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a nicer office with a big window and nice view, compared to my previous office below the ground in sub-level 2.
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Not one, not two, but three separate avenues of income that are utterly independent of my primary job. (I didnât even make effort to do this one.)
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dropping away of aspects of my job in which Iâm less interested, and gradual increase in those parts of my job that are preparing me for the steps that I want to take independently
There are others but I donât have a lot of time right now.
None of those points above are even 15% of what I am dreaming and envisioning to attain.
On the other hand, they are at least 50% better than my situation before.
Every so often, being human and not always so bright, I become discouraged and forlorn. 'Will I ever get there? â 'Is anything even happening? â
Thankfully growth and improvement keep on coming, in spite of my fluctuating moods and thoughts.
Is there a lesson in this?
Not necessarily.
But there is if you want one to be.
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Personally Iâd go with Khan ST1 for as many cycles as needed until you feel changes and recognize your own capability. Combine it with something more wealth focused (Mogul) so you have more resources and freedom and productive activities to occupy you when women arenât around. Perhaps you could include fitness since you have an interest in that (Spartan). But Iâll say one belief I shattered with Khan was needing to be super fit to get laid. Use 3 minute loops so low enough recon that allows you to be productive during all this.
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@Mystery thanks for your input. I was wondering if you could briefly share what were the results when you only run alpha subs (i assume these were the ones) instead of healing subs. You didnt get any results you wanted (with alpha subs) until you run the healing ones? if you prefer to do it in private feel free to send me a DM. I am really curious to learn from your mistake. As of this moment if i have to choose what subs to run next i would probably keep Ascension and PS but add LBH cuz i need to take action in certain areas of my life and i know I dont need to be completely healed before start getting some kinda results.
That would be three subs in your stack. The more subs you put in a stack, the slower the results. So if your stack is going to be Ascension + PS + LBFH, be aware of the fact that your results are going to take awhile to show. If youâre already already frustrated about not seeing results, adding more subs isnât going to help speed things up.
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thanks for including the âchosen from withinâ link, I would have never found it without your help 
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@Malkuth thanks for this beautiful example of your goals progression. Its a very positive one. Also thanks for stating that is possible to do healing work while at the same time keep working to get some tangible results.
I was thinking of keeping Ascension & PS and stack LBH but couple people stated that this could really slow down my progress in general so
****I am wondering if there are other subs that will blend together 2 (out of the three) subs in 1 so then i would only need to listen to the blended(2 mixed subs) sub and the remaining one, if you have any suggestion @Malkuth please feel free to let me know.
Some people suggested that I do Emperor (instead of ascension and PS) but when i checked Emperor sales page i realized that it covers a lot of areas (instead of my only 2 interest, dating and make more $$)and my guess is that is gonna take more time to produce results than if i keep with my current 2 subs. ****You agree with my line of thought?
****Do you think that either WANTED or LIBERTINE can help me have better interactions with women than PS? maybe wanted and libertine are less heavy programs (than PS) and results with women could come faster than with PS?
****is it true that i can order a custom of lets say Ascension that includes my name? how much faster a sub can create changes in my mind if i add my name in the audio?
Sorry for the many questions, they just happen to come all of the sudden. Anybody reading this feel free to provide answers to my new questions if you prefer.
Thanx everybody for all your answers so far.
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I wouldnât recommend you get a custom yet, @Incamonk.
It sounds like youâve been running Ascension and Primal Seduction for 3 months (since October). Iâll assume that you have been following the recommended schedule. 3 months is a good period of time. So, letâs look at the other part of the equation.
What happens when you approach women who you are interested in? What happens when you just start up conversations?
Just to be clear, Iâm not asking what happens inside of you. Iâm asking what happens outside of you.
Donât worry, Iâm not an Internet dating coach. Iâm asking the question just to shift your focus away from your feelings and onto the external circumstances. Your feelings are going to present a distorted version of events.
Iâm trying to get you to describe the external conditions that are connecting you to what you want. Those are the conditions that you want to pay attention to, no matter the nature of your goal.
As a silly example: You want to get a new hammer. So you play the âAcquire Hardwareâ subliminal. But then you keep going into ice cream stores. âWhyâ, you ask, âwonât anyone in here sell me a hammer?â In that silly example, the problem is not the subliminal.
So, what has been happening outside of you when you go to strike up conversations? What reactions are you getting? What actions are you observing?
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This is an interesting postâŚ
But how can one completely exclude internal from the equation? One is always âfilteringâ reality
Maybe I misunderstanding though 
You canât completely exclude internal from the equation.
Just relatively exclude it.
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What are your thoughts about listening to Dragon Reborn?
thanks for your suggestions, especially the one about using 3 minute loops, you are the 2nd user who suggested this.
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true true, now i remember reading other people mentioning the same, with more stacks the longer the results to appear. Sometimes i am thinking of doing PS and LBFH only. Thanx for your input @ksub
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@Incamonk Itâs probably also a good idea to strategically categorize your goals.
For example, have short-term, mid-term, and long-term goals.
Or have 10 levels of difficulty; from 1=super-easy, could easily do it right now, all the way up to 10=some day if all of the gods and Angels smile on me, I may be able to do this.
Youâd get a notebook or document; write numerals I through X at the tops of 10 pages.
Then on page I, youâd fill it up with goals that are super-easy to do.
On page II, youâd write down a bunch of goals that are still easy, but take a bit more effort, bravery, etc.
Add goals into all 10 pages. By the time you get to page X, youâre writing down your wildest dreams. Still technically possible, but you currently have no idea how you would achieve them.
Why this exercise?
Because if all youâre paying attention to every day are the goals on pages VIII, IX, and X, then youâll be overlooking a whole lot of meaningful growth and change thatâs already happening.
Also, if you keep thinking only of your long-term goals, it will be very easy for you to keep moving the goal posts and telling yourself that youâre making no progress at all.
A mountain that is 200 miles a way from your current location may look no larger even after you walk towards it for an entire day. Actually, youâre much closer and have made a lot of progress. But the reference point youâve chosen is too distant.
So, donât forget about the mountain, your ultimate goal. But also choose some closer reference points; ones that are 15 miles away, 30 miles away, and so on.
Then youâll get a more useful (and more encouraging) picture of the progress youâre making.
Celebrate the small steps and the big steps.
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thanks again for trying to help me, ill answer some of your questions now, sorry if it gets messy cuz i dont know how to copy your originalquestions here. Also i would like to clarify that i started the subs end of october so i have around 2 months and 1 week of listening to subs (1st cycle Ascension only, 2nd cycle Ascension and PS, 3rd cycle PS only) and yes i followed the recommended schedule.
I usually go to bars to talk to women. I usually open asking what drink are having or depending on the situation i try to make a clever comment so more chances they get a bit emotionally attached to our interaction, 97% of the time they respond politely to my question and look at me for two seconds when answering and they inmediately go back to stare at the bartender or to their drinks, i think from what i SEE that they dont have any interest in keeping talking to me. Most of the times i ask a 2nd question or try to do a clever comment to see if she engages back and 99% of the times they answer something short and barely look back at me and then they continue focusing on their drink or use their phones. After that 99% of times i stop trying to talk to her cuz is obvious (from what i see) she has no interest in getting to know me.
I know that my intepretation of what i see is heavily influenced by my beliefs (concious and unconcious) and thats why i think modifying these beliefs (or changing my self-image) would dramatically changed my dating life.
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Excellent.
First of all,
Now that youâve had the courage to type out a specific description of one thing that happens to you sometimes, the easiest thing in the world will be for other people to come along and start giving you their opinions on how you can better approach the situation.
And thatâs fine. After all, this is a discussion forum.
But I think that thereâs a much greater opportunity here than just âDescribing a âproblemâ and getting suggested âsolutionsââ.
Thinking and talking in this way gives you the chance to step outside of yourself a little bit. (Just imaginarily of course. Youâre not actually stepping outside of yourself. It means something more like âstepping outside of your habitual frame of referenceâ.)
So, when you read your own description of what happens, what are some alternate actions or little changes that you think you might make? I do not mean âsolutionsâ. Because as far as Iâm concerned, this is not a huge problem. Genocide is a huge problem.
This is you figuring out how to make some improvements in an area that matters to you. Thereâs not just one answer or one so-called solution. But I wonder what ideas might come to you for ways that you might do this slightly differently. Just as an experiment.
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I just finished reading Dragon reborn sales page and it got me extremely curious, especially the part that states that it can help heal negative blocks, negative emotions, traumas. I guess is safe to say that it will help you heal to a deep level that LBFH would never reach? Am I correct?
Sales page recommend that you had done Ascension first and also had run a a sub like Emperor, in my case I have done 2 cycles of ascension already but havent tried Emperor, I wonder if i could leap straight to Dragon skipping Emperor? thanks again @RVconsultant for this (very interesting) suggestion.
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Beware that DR can hit extremely hard, mentally, physically, energeticallyâŚ
So be prepared for that if you take that route, that you can take your time to integrate the various up and downs, that you are not in a position with great responsabilities, etc⌠(just my opinion obviously)
Other than that dragon is a funnny buddy, when viewed from a broad perspective 
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@Incamonk : Dragon Reborn is not a beginnerâs sub. Itâs better to run other healing subs and get used to this technology before trying to run Dragon Reborn. Itâs also a multi stage sub and you could have to run each stage multiple times. If you donât have a year to commit to that sub let it go for now. If you donât have experience in deal with the emotional turmoil these subs create, Dragon Reborn isnât for you yet. There are plenty of other options.
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