Thanks for the replies everyone. I added some responses below. Always interested to hear more input on the matter.
@BlissAdventurer But it took time to get the truth out which could be bad in the future considering what else she could delay in telling the truth on.
@Wonders Mine hasn’t been quite that bad, but the general caricature does sound like her.
@Furkan I think it’s common but not normal. In other words, it happens a lot, but not something everyone does. Think college roommates where you have boys and girls in the same place, I’ve heard of it happening there. Not all would participate in such sex, many or their parents would not put males and females in such a situation as it could lead to that. Definitely a lot of college girls do stuff like that in my observation though when I say “a lot” I’m not saying “the majority.”
@Furkan I think this woman generally stays exclusive to me, which she claims with strong emphasis. I can’t prove that though, and since I’ve caught her in multiple lies it’s hard to know why her strong emphasis should make me trust her.
@Benny Because I figured she was dating other guys from online dating and/or real life who she would definitely be having sex with anyway, so why lie about whether having sex with the best friend?
@Benny Which I gave her. I didn’t ask her if she was having sex with her best friend who she was sleeping near. I gave her the privacy and she initiated the lie.
@Michel Perhaps no obligation, but what does it say about her choices and how I should handle things going forward if she initiates deception like that?
@Michel Absolutely. This is the biggest problem I have with her and our relationship (which has changed between and exclusive and just-friends, etc). I enjoy her a lot, many things are good, but one of the two major problems with us is that she has had more sex partners and will easily get with more when we aren’t exclusive. I am greatly triggered by such fact. Why I’m not dating multiple is a great question that I haven’t answered, and to find out why or resolve it is why I’m using subliminals. Haven’t figured out dating and having sex with lots of women. When I take note of the fact of her casual sex fluency it makes me think “I should be doing the same rather than stop my young seed-sowing for her”, but I am not prospering in that arena. It may come down to attachment, that I feel off not treating a relationship more seriously when it involves intercourse. I was raised in a conservative Christian environment that pushes monogamy which I think shaped my tendencies a lot.
@Michel Yes, I’d like to be the only one. But I also want to be realistic in how women and the world really are, maybe there is a bitter pill I haven’t swallowed. Regarding subs, I’ve used Wanted original with her which indeed works on her, almost feels cruel how powerful it is on her and how bad she feels when I pull away. So far subs haven’t exploded my dating situation, but I am using different ones to try to improve. Currently I’ve been using Primal over the Wanted line because I feel I haven’t been active enough in my sexual efforts, but I do enjoy the attention of Wanted.
@Wonders Yes, she even told me so- she lied because she thought I’d run off from her.
@Wonders Intention of the question isn’t motivated so much by frustration but deciding how I will treat her going forward. If such lie is wrong, I can break up with her honestly and move on with my life. If lying is ok then I can also do the same kind of things back to her, using the relationship however I like.
@Wonders I grew up in a conservative Christian environment and I know from experience some people in society really are monogamous. But I also want to have highly enjoyable sex so I’m torn between two worlds. Red Pill claims there is only one world (“no good girl”), and since I want great sex, I lean toward the non-mono world but also struggle with the pain of women giving sex less significance than I tend to.
@Moon Yeah, staying with her seems very risky to me, but finding someone else as satisfying feels daunting.
@Moon Yeah, my impression of her is that she is looking for a man to house her and pay for all her stuff. She goes from man to man giving them Primal Nights quality sex, looking for one that will provide all she wants for the rest of her life, and who knows what she will try to get out of him after chained together.
@Moon Yeah, I feel like that. I haven’t given sex a lot more significance than her. I’m trying to choose the best path moving forward- whether I lower the significance for myself, or I try to find a partner who holds higher significance.
@Moon Exactly- If she’ll take the initiative to deceive me about this before exclusivity, what will she do later? She wants me to house her and pay for all her things, but who knows what she will try to pull on me? I do try to move on but there are feelings and attachment- she is a lot of fun generally and I worry about finding someone else I enjoy.
@William It determines my course going forward. If lying is ok then I can tell her with no intention of actually doing so, “Yes, we’ll be exclusive for a year, then I’ll put you on the lease without requiring you to pay anything on it, and we’ll be working toward marriage”. If lying is not ok then I should dump her.
@William I agree generally, but where the challenge comes in is the fact that I think I’ve underperformed in the sexual world and don’t feel positive about finding someone other than her that satisfies me as much. As @Michel said I feel bad that she doesn’t belong to me, that she has and will get with other men sexually easily, that maybe I should be more like her yet feel challenged or even paralyzed to do so.
@GoldenTiger When I called out the lie she admitted that she was doing it do deceive because she knew it would affect my decision.
@GoldenTiger When she said it, it was a friends relationship over the phone, not romantic or sexual. We were together, including living together, for some time before.
@GoldenTiger To prevent me from getting upset and losing her chances of getting back with me.
@Malkuth Yes- I’ve felt immensely better being with her and if I drop her I’d have to go back to cold, single, hopeless isolation. But there are two problems with her: (1) she wants me to pay for her expenses and treat her like a princess but (2) she has more sex partners and legs open so the disparity makes me feel I shouldn’t give her all that as I’m not valued equally to what I’d be valuing her.
@Malkuth No, but I’m struggling to see myself able to find someone more or close to as satisfying in an acceptable timeframe.
I’m thinking I might move away from a seduction stack and to a wealth stack as improving career situation may be a better choice of goal focus for my life’s well-being. It could make dating better in the future.
. Seems to the only way to know what products to use is trying them.