William’s Winning Wayfare

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#1802

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I thought they were similar, with gold being “DRRed but with extra scripting to twist it and a different stage 4”. But I didn’t expect the difference in the charts’ hard parts to be so stark.

DRRed is 1.5 points more difficult, 1.5 more complex, and 2.5 more prone to recon.
DRR has the edge in inner depth by 0.5 points, DRG in focus by 1 point.

I think it makes sense that the difficulty & recon are lowered in DRG because of the Gold twist in the scripting. Though I didn’t expect the recon to be that far apart.

For the complexity, DRG has more scripting because it’s DRR with extra Gold twist, but I guess the “all 3 stages” combination in DRR4 bumps up the score quite a lot.

This is just the beta though, maybe they’ll tweak it again some more.

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#1803

This may provide more information (from qOS):

Dragon Reborn RED takes a more confrontational approach to healing. Its method is to actively break down, purge, and purify limiting subconscious structures. The stages are designed to burn through negative beliefs, emotions, and energies directly — ST1 (Dragon Fire) is explicitly a purification and cleansing stage, and ST2 (Dragon Blood) continues with deep, comprehensive healing on all levels. RED also includes extensive rebellion scripting that pushes you to fight against everything that isn’t the true “you.” Through its NSE scripting, RED manifests life situations designed to help you “dissolve, heal, transform and transcend” the structures holding you back — and those situations can be intense, because you’re being pushed to confront your shadow head-on.

That confrontational approach is exactly why RED may produce more reconciliation. When a title is actively challenging and dismantling deeply held subconscious structures, your mind naturally pushes back harder. The more directly a title confronts what’s ingrained, the more friction that process may generate.

Dragon Reborn GOLD is built on the same foundational framework as RED, but it takes a different path. GOLD directs the transformation toward refinement, leadership, wisdom, joy, and gratitude. Its NSE scripting is geared toward manifesting “positively charged situations that ultimately lead to your inner refinement through joy and gratitude.” The product description itself makes this distinction clear — it acknowledges that deep transformation doesn’t always have to be an emotionally painful experience.

GOLD still contains rebellion scripting and still pushes you to overcome limitations, but it channels that energy through a refinement lens rather than a purging one. Think of it as the difference between burning away impurities with fire (RED) versus gradually refining raw material into gold (GOLD). Both transform — but the process feels different, and the gentler refinement approach of GOLD tends to generate less friction with the subconscious.

So in short: RED may cause more reconciliation because it’s designed to directly confront, break down, and purge — which creates more subconscious resistance. GOLD achieves deep transformation through refinement and positively-framed experiences, which the subconscious tends to accept with less pushback.

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#1804

That checks out in my experience.

The refining instead of purging sounds easier & less recon inducing.
The chart makes sense.

I wonder how my journey would have been if I got DRG instead of DRR.

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#1805

EE 30s HeO 10s DRR4 21s

More of the usual HeO effects are starting to show up.

Picking up the sword again seems fun.
I gotta find the time for it though.
Well, that won’t be hard with EE.

WB’s more active effects have finally died down.
It took around a week for an 8s exposure to mesh back into the background.
The changes still stick though, even the physical ones (and yes, the “physical” one too :wink:).

I want to say that DRR4 is brutal, but it’s not; it just touches on so much.
Weirdly enough, it doesn’t overwhelm me the way subs could.
That’s thanks to microlooping.

I can’t get into details about EE, but I’ll just say that the world is not ready for the moment a slot in my stack frees up for me to stack EE with a wealth sub. Even now, even with the world doing the funny, even without a dedicated wealth sub, I’m still able to grow.

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#1806

EE 45s HeO 15s

The typing speed effect from HeO is back.
This effect surprised me back then; it surprised me again now.

I managed to knock some books off my want to read list.
They were decent, but now that I feel adequately warmed up, I’ll try some important/heavier books.

I still haven’t taken up the sword properly yet. Well, no excuse anymore, today is the day.

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#1807

EE 2m HeO 29s DRR4 27s

MY STACK :sob: :sob:

The reason I stopped LBFH was because I felt I had hit a point of diminishing returns with it.
The adaptive scripting should help with this.
I miss this sub so dearly.

I had planned to use it later on, but by the way it’s being announced, it might gonna come sooner than I expected.

There’s no way in hell I’m dropping DRR4 this early on, so HeO has to be the one leaving.
I’m gonna go straight to 15m with HeO next week. I was microlooping it for no particular reason after all. Then I’ll switch it to LBFH at the start of next month when it’s time for the new cycle, if it’s gonna come that quickly.

2 months of HeO to refresh its effects from back then, not bad.

The changes from WB are still sticking.
I can’t wait to use LBFH after all of the changes WB helped me through.

1 complain I had with LBFH was that it lacked a bit of oomph in the social department.

Spreading the seeds of self love is much more efficient with better social push & social skills after all.
But now it shouldn’t be a problem with how much the social results from WB are sticking.
I can also just sneak in a listen to WB when I really want an extra boost.

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#1808

I’ve been so financially well off that I forgot how it feels to truly be on the down low.
This is something I can meditate on. Maybe I can channel more productivity if I can realize something from this.

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#1809

I’ve been using LB as a secondary note in my stack; didn’t notice how much difference there was between LB and LBFH though. Never really grokked properly the difference between the two, I’m just going back and rereading the copies now.

Curious, if you’ve run both of them, what your impressions were? Which one made you feel the aura / the results more?

#1810

I’ve only run LBFH before.
I don’t see a reason to run LB either. I found great inner development from the spreading.

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#1811

Not to derail your thread, William but I just wanted to share that I had run both LBFH and LB. Both are similar but I found LBFH to bs more effective outwards due to its aura effects and found LB to bs more effective internally due to its New Forgiveness Scripting.

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#1812

It’s fine, I don’t mind this journal getting derailed at all. Feel free to talk about it.

Saint did mention LBFH is gonna get rewritten too, i wonder if this is gonna be included in the next iteration of the sub.

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#1813

Yeah. Would be interesting to see how they will differentiate LB and LBFH when that happens.

The immediate update might most probably be only a build update though. Change of script later.

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#1814

EE 230 HeO 1

I feel more tone deaf with women compared to when I was actively using WB.

The intuitive guidance is not as strong. I guess that’s one of the active effects from the sub. Well, it’s whatever, I don’t focus as much on it anymore.

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#1815

EE 4m HeO 7m

Finding the sweet spot is the most important.

I’ve been listening to more, and so far the results have been better.

Without WB in the stack, it’s clear that I can take way more.

Everything is pointing towards a single goal.
A bit of kitchensink can work, but the more focused, the better everything flows.
Though I can’t say one is better than the other, it’s better to follow your unique circumstances after all.

It’s clear that I can take higher exposure with both EE & HeO. I’ll do just that.
I’ll be responsible though. In exchange for that, I’ll listen to DRR4 less frequently.

Update 1: It's coming back.

The virtue scripting is starting to come back, almost as strong as when I was actively using it a year ago. I guess it’s a matter of exposure.

I’m not sure if I want to drop it for LBFH yet.
This is one of the strongest reasons to stick with HeO.

I’ll think about it more when the update for LBFH is here. It’s either DRR4 or HeO that has to go for it.
Either way, I’m gonna stick with longer exposure using HeO.
It’s apparent that I was taking it too slowly.

Update 1: WB's heightened perception of oneself is starting to wane.

This effect is starting to die out.
Well, considering that it persisted for almost 2 months is already impressive.

Maybe I’ll try to sneak in some of WB every 4-6 months during the scheduled 4-week-long break for the other subs. There should be one for EE in 2-3 months; it will be the best time.

Update 2: The mystery part of WB is starting to break down too.

Well, this one feels similar to the run I did with WB around 1-2 years ago.
It’s to be expected. It’s about time for the effects to wane.

The changes stick, the more active effects are starting to disintegrate.

I might run a few seconds of WB near the end of this cycle, just to see how much will come back with only a bit of exposure.

With HeO and WB, I haven’t hit the point of “this is enough” like I did with LBFH & Mogul yet.
I’ve been using these subs for so long, yet there’s still a lot to learn.

As for DRR, I don’t think even 2 years is enough.
It’s approaching 1y9m, and I genuinely think it’s just starting to get into the even deeper stuff.
For HeO, it’s around 1y6m total.
For WB, it’s more than 11 months total.
LBFH & Mogul are both around 1 year total.

A lot to grow with from these subs.

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#1816

WB 15s

Oh damn I forgot how chatty I’ve become without WB.
Running it for 15s made me realise how “centering” WB is.
It brings everything to your center just by how you talk.

And yeah, I got naughty and snuck in WB again, lol.

Update 1:

Readjusting to 15s of WB took a bit of time.
That took me by surprise.

All is well though, I just needed a bit of surrendering and letting things flow.

VERY soon??

How should I approach this…
Well, I think EE has reached more than half a year? I need to take a long break from it sooner or later. I might as well switch it for LBFH, at least for the next cycle.

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#1817

Deeply pleased by the harem scripting.

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#1818

Interesting, if you don’t mind me asking, how has it expressed for you.

Stories will be much appreciated too🫣

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#1819

I don’t want to get into specifics with WB results.
But if i describe it in one word, it’s stabilizing.

I wrote it somewhere in the forum, with WB, it’s as if they understand the game. They know what they are getting into. Your job is to just manage and have fun.

The most important thing is truth.

There’s no need for petty manipulation, you’re using WB after all.

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#1820

@William You’ve been having pretty good results with WB since introducing heavy microloops, like below 30 sec, right? What was your experience on WB like before you started microlooping it?

#1821

It was good, but very patchy with a lot of recon.
The results with women were there, but nowhere as good.

Now with microlooping this low, the results are consistent, easy to follow, and much better than before.

At the end of the day, it’s a matter of sweet spot.
Mine just happen to be really low with WB. When i found it out, everything started to flow naturally. The right amount of guidance, the right amount of inner change, the right amount of results.

Now i can take around <=20s, but i feel like the sweet spot is lower because i have to adapt to WB again after the break.

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