EE 1m HeO 20s WB 8s
So, 8s of WB happened…
Hopefully this won’t cause a recon.
I’ll delay DRR4 just to make sure i’m safe.
I accidentally listened to Mogul once and it was fine, I hope this one is fine too.
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Yep, WB is doing WB thing.
But instead of being approached as usual, I naturally connect without much thought.
I guess “willingness” is one of its biggest effects on me.
When I think about it again, the more I used WB, the more I became more open to the “life” it offers.
Maybe the recon was my unwillingness, then after I saw the benefits & how to integrate the results into my life, the recon started to melt away.
But still, I think it will be hard to stack with HeO. Back then, before I aggressively microlooped WB, the results were spotty enough that I could stack it with HeO just fine. Then the last time I stacked them when I microlooped WB, the effects of WB were too consistent that it felt kitchensink-y.
I’ll just wait until one or both of them get the adaptive scripting before seriously stacking them both, or when my stack is free enough to include A:Singularity.
Update 1:
I forgot whether I’ve written this already or not, but I’ve been more aware of the tensions in my body after I started DRR4. Some of them are resurfacing tensions, but most are always there in the background; I just become more aware of them now.
I wonder which stage of DRR this was from. It has been 1y8m, I can’t quite remember which is which for this one. Maybe all of them combined together in DRR4 make for a more thorough tension awareness.
Update 2:
HOLY SHIT WB.
I’ll write more tomorrow, it has been way pass my sleeptime. But holy shit 8s once is THIS strong.
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EE 5m35s HeO 22s
The decision to space DRR4 apart this cycle was the right one.
This is, without any exaggeration, the biggest inner transformation in my life.
I wrote more about the process on the black journal, though most of it are just incoherent rambles when I read it back, lol. It’s basically about how DRR guided me to a short TLDR of a meditation teaching and how repeating it every moment possible has helped me consciously make sense & better integrate the results from DRR & my meditation practice.
The last one was 15s of DRR4. The results are this strong.
Short exposure is just as strong as long ones.
Some social skills from WB still sticks, but the finer ones are starting to dull out.
But with the last run of WB, I realized maybe WB + HeO is not as kitchensink-y as i thought it would be. The key is to run WB sparsely.
Instead of aiming for consistency/improvement, the focus is just on getting results when I have the time to take a break. Only run WB when I have the time for it. This solves the kitchensink problem from how ridiculously consistent WB is, giving the space to focus on HeO (truly the “my beef is too juicy and my lobster too buttery” problem 
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If I have to describe the changes from DRRed, I think the term “blank slate” is the most appropriate.
It doesn’t only “erase”/“solve” (though it does these very well).
It often transcends the act of erasing itself, revealing the blank slate nature of yourself.
This creates a strong foundation to build future subs on.
Personally, this is the outline of how the stages expressed themselves in my life:
DRR1 is background cleansing & holistic improvement with no perceptible baggage.
DRR2 is focused on inner power and the expression of it.
DRR3 is about the bird eye view, which as I’ve figured out, is more powerful than it sounds.
My experience is heavily leaning towards DRR3.
I got the most transformation while I was on it after all.
So the “transcending” theme is much more prominent personally.
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But every stage requires the foundation that the previous ones built on.
DRR4 is the combination of all three, I’m noticing how much bringing the elements of the previous 2 stages complements what DRR3 is building.
I’m not sure how many aspects of the stages are in DRR4; are they all there in full, or is it the condensed version? I personally think it doesn’t matter that much since I got the most of the transformation when I microlooped the hell out of DRR3.
You don’t need the “full script”.
You only need the script that you need.
It’s taking a while for HeO to manifest its usual effects on me with the microloops.
I’ve used the sub for well more than a year total, it’s not a surprise that I can get more by listening to longer durations at this point.
I’m curious how much will come with the current increment I use for it though.
So far I’ve only noticed the enhancements starting to show up, though not the deeper stuff yet.
I’d say above 20s is the minimum for me with HeO.
Though I might gonna be surprised if I choose to stick with less, I’m gonna march on forward as planned instead.
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For EE, so far, it is undeniably about rest.
Rest is an integral part of the whole creation process.
EE helps optimise the work & fix the hierarchy of what I need to focus on to get the most out of it.
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EE 6m HeO 24s DRR4 18s
WB is still working, wtf?
That was 8s 5 days ago.
Also on the matter of WB, I realised deep inside, it feels inconcievable to think that I’m not attractive.
That was not how I was before the last 8 months straight of microlooping WB.
Back then I tend to view my look neutrally, yes I have good features, but I didn’t even think to look at myself as someone who’s that attractive, just normal. Now thinking like that genuinely feels weird, as if my body being attractive is the most natural thing in existence.
DRR4 is still going hard
I’m intentionally doing less for some time just to let the changes breathe more.
Now I understand others who says healing titles taking up a good chunk of your daily life.
DRR3 builds on DRR2, but DRR2 requires DRR3 too to express fully. Hence DRR4 being the combination of all stages makes incredible sense. Either that or repeating the stages. I prefer the last stage being the combination.
The new point of view, freedom from DRR3, but also the learning experiences from DRR2.
Love it.
Update 1: one of the biggest results from DRR4
I revisited one of the oldest internal problems i have.
These are the ones that I built around instead of solve. Duct taped instead of properly operated on. On practical level, these are done. But on a deeper one, these are like thorns. Everything is fine as long as i don’t grab the thorns hard.
But now, i saw them come out of nowhere in my mind (which is very rare), and there is no thorn anymore. I can let them slide just fine.
I lost years because of these.
And DRR absolved them just like that?
DRR is fucking great.
<=18s, once a week, this stong. How?
Update 2: expanding on the traumas
I tried to see how I react to the other old traumas I had.
They glided right off.
What the fuck?
The pain exists, though not as intensely.
But I’m automatically able to not suffer from them and just observe.
I realised my response was to attach to the discomfort, rumminate, trying to escape, hide, etc.
DRR cut that chain right off.
This is a first.
I felt overwhelmed with emotions after I realised that I’m no longer bound by these anymore.
But contrary to my expectation, I also did not attach to the gladness and was able to just observe.
I realised I don’t need to extend the feeling of relief to be relieved. I just need to acknowledge it.
No craving, no avoidance.
Almost halfway through EE
No recon yet.
The discussion on another thread made me realise the – now that I think about it – obvious.
I got recon the first few times I ran EE for 15m, which I didn’t expect at all.
That was finally solved after I tried 15m again for the 4-5th time.
But after mulling over it more, I realised the recon must have been about 2 things:
- Something inside of me resisting further optimisation.
- Me resisting the further balancing scripting.
Things that microlooping EE showed me to be more than possible.
It also showed me more things about my approach towards productivity.
It was intended to help other, but explaining things clearly in plain text also helped me to realise what is what. EE feels like Mogul, the results are so obvious that I didn’t feel the need to journal when I can just see it in front of my eyes.
I should have journalled EE more. The problem is that, just like Mogul, I can’t write things in detail here.
Even a vague timeline of daily journaling is not wise. I can only write the summary of what has been happening so far.
That will end up being repetitive and more vague than what I do with WB now.
“omg gangs i did werk fastr today” “omg work so focus much quick” yeah no shit you’re using EE, what are the details?
I should start an offline journal for it & HeO instead.
Looking at the previous post, I realized I yap a lot, lol.
I’ll go forward with this format instead.
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Stack is 100% broken.
I guess this will be the point where I let go of HeO & EE.
I’ve been planning to use LBFH when it gets updated again. I see immense value in using LBFH alongside the realisation & changes I got from DRRed.
Not only that, but Summertime is officially slotted to have a For Humanity version too?
Imagine the sheer inner growth from DRR4, then combine it with the For Humanity subs to help others around us get some of the benefits. Or maybe I’ll stack them with WB instead and use its social scripting to enhance the For Humanity parts. Holy shit this is exciting.
The time for their release is also perfect.
By that time, I’d have used HeO & DRR4 for around 6-7 months at the very least.
Just in time for a change.
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Till we get another surprise drop that shatters the plan again😂
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Man, sticking with subs does need a strong willpower with these updates & new titles around.
I almost broke mine with Alchemist:Singularity, then HeroTLTB, then somehow WB snuck in and broke it anyway.
If I hadn’t just switched WB for HeO at the start of this month, I’d have considered Summertime.
DRReg is ideal, but stacking DRR4 + DRReg doesn’t sound very wise at all. Summertime is just perfect.
But then, again, Saint announced the For Humanity version 
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Having broken stacks that we’re not even running yet, and the stack that broke it, broken in succession.
A lot of good shit.
With the amount of will power needed here, it’s like training to be a spartan 
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EE 15s HeO 5s
A reset to give space for the changes from DRR4.
No recon, but I’d rather be proactively preventative than regret it later.
One thing I've noticed so far about HeO
I was BITTER. I was so focused on mastery, doing things right, doing things properly, that I failed to notice how bitter I was. Now that I’ve taken a long break from HeO and used DRR3 + WB, I realised how spiteful I was towards imperfection and others’ conduct. I didn’t even notice it.
It was not HeO’s fault; it was a part of me that showed through alongside it.
The break was necessary. I’m glad I put HeO down for a time.
WB & Pick Up Artist materials
I looked at the new site and found this comment I made back then.
It reminds me of pick up artist materials I tried to read just a few days ago.
They sound logical, but many points are unnecessary.
It has too much “do this to this”, it’s as if connection is a math formula.
I did many things that are directly against the materials, yet I still get great results.
WB is not kidding when it said “you don’t need to put on elaborate performances, just be yourself”.
You can just break these “seduction rules” and get results anyway, because you’re THAT guy.
You’re the wanted man.
Though some sound fun. I’ll treat these as reference materials at most.
This was from LBFH??
It’s from my first post in this forum.
I forgot this wasn’t how I was before I started using it.
It has been 3 years since I started LBFH. The changes it made have become so natural that now I’m figuring out that some things I took for granted were once great results from LBFH.
Now I understand that it was quite a roundabout way to be more aware of my emotions.
Basically, I become aware of a self-defeating thought & feeling, locate it, then watch as the impermanent nature of them eventually dissolves themselves. So instead of mulling over/attaching to it and then searching for relief like I used to do, LBFH taught me how to accept it and just observe as it goes back down.
Let it come (awareness, take a mental note as it comes, similar to the noting technique in meditation),
Let it be (by believing that my capacity of self love will fix it eventually, aided by logic),
Let it go (which was made easier by the belief, asking my mind to take care of it was the let go).
The path LBFH took to show me that was through self love.
I love this sub so much. I can’t wait for the update.
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I thought they were similar, with gold being “DRRed but with extra scripting to twist it and a different stage 4”. But I didn’t expect the difference in the charts’ hard parts to be so stark.
DRRed is 1.5 points more difficult, 1.5 more complex, and 2.5 more prone to recon.
DRR has the edge in inner depth by 0.5 points, DRG in focus by 1 point.
I think it makes sense that the difficulty & recon are lowered in DRG because of the Gold twist in the scripting. Though I didn’t expect the recon to be that far apart.
For the complexity, DRG has more scripting because it’s DRR with extra Gold twist, but I guess the “all 3 stages” combination in DRR4 bumps up the score quite a lot.
This is just the beta though, maybe they’ll tweak it again some more.
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This may provide more information (from qOS):
Dragon Reborn RED takes a more confrontational approach to healing. Its method is to actively break down, purge, and purify limiting subconscious structures. The stages are designed to burn through negative beliefs, emotions, and energies directly — ST1 (Dragon Fire) is explicitly a purification and cleansing stage, and ST2 (Dragon Blood) continues with deep, comprehensive healing on all levels. RED also includes extensive rebellion scripting that pushes you to fight against everything that isn’t the true “you.” Through its NSE scripting, RED manifests life situations designed to help you “dissolve, heal, transform and transcend” the structures holding you back — and those situations can be intense, because you’re being pushed to confront your shadow head-on.
That confrontational approach is exactly why RED may produce more reconciliation. When a title is actively challenging and dismantling deeply held subconscious structures, your mind naturally pushes back harder. The more directly a title confronts what’s ingrained, the more friction that process may generate.
Dragon Reborn GOLD is built on the same foundational framework as RED, but it takes a different path. GOLD directs the transformation toward refinement, leadership, wisdom, joy, and gratitude. Its NSE scripting is geared toward manifesting “positively charged situations that ultimately lead to your inner refinement through joy and gratitude.” The product description itself makes this distinction clear — it acknowledges that deep transformation doesn’t always have to be an emotionally painful experience.
GOLD still contains rebellion scripting and still pushes you to overcome limitations, but it channels that energy through a refinement lens rather than a purging one. Think of it as the difference between burning away impurities with fire (RED) versus gradually refining raw material into gold (GOLD). Both transform — but the process feels different, and the gentler refinement approach of GOLD tends to generate less friction with the subconscious.
So in short: RED may cause more reconciliation because it’s designed to directly confront, break down, and purge — which creates more subconscious resistance. GOLD achieves deep transformation through refinement and positively-framed experiences, which the subconscious tends to accept with less pushback.
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That checks out in my experience.
The refining instead of purging sounds easier & less recon inducing.
The chart makes sense.
I wonder how my journey would have been if I got DRG instead of DRR.
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EE 30s HeO 10s DRR4 21s
More of the usual HeO effects are starting to show up.
Picking up the sword again seems fun.
I gotta find the time for it though.
Well, that won’t be hard with EE.
WB’s more active effects have finally died down.
It took around a week for an 8s exposure to mesh back into the background.
The changes still stick though, even the physical ones (and yes, the “physical” one too 
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I want to say that DRR4 is brutal, but it’s not; it just touches on so much.
Weirdly enough, it doesn’t overwhelm me the way subs could.
That’s thanks to microlooping.
I can’t get into details about EE, but I’ll just say that the world is not ready for the moment a slot in my stack frees up for me to stack EE with a wealth sub. Even now, even with the world doing the funny, even without a dedicated wealth sub, I’m still able to grow.
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EE 45s HeO 15s
The typing speed effect from HeO is back.
This effect surprised me back then; it surprised me again now.
I managed to knock some books off my want to read list.
They were decent, but now that I feel adequately warmed up, I’ll try some important/heavier books.
I still haven’t taken up the sword properly yet. Well, no excuse anymore, today is the day.
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EE 2m HeO 29s DRR4 27s
MY STACK
The reason I stopped LBFH was because I felt I had hit a point of diminishing returns with it.
The adaptive scripting should help with this.
I miss this sub so dearly.
I had planned to use it later on, but by the way it’s being announced, it might gonna come sooner than I expected.
There’s no way in hell I’m dropping DRR4 this early on, so HeO has to be the one leaving.
I’m gonna go straight to 15m with HeO next week. I was microlooping it for no particular reason after all. Then I’ll switch it to LBFH at the start of next month when it’s time for the new cycle, if it’s gonna come that quickly.
2 months of HeO to refresh its effects from back then, not bad.
The changes from WB are still sticking.
I can’t wait to use LBFH after all of the changes WB helped me through.
1 complain I had with LBFH was that it lacked a bit of oomph in the social department.
Spreading the seeds of self love is much more efficient with better social push & social skills after all.
But now it shouldn’t be a problem with how much the social results from WB are sticking.
I can also just sneak in a listen to WB when I really want an extra boost.
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I’ve been so financially well off that I forgot how it feels to truly be on the down low.
This is something I can meditate on. Maybe I can channel more productivity if I can realize something from this.
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I’ve been using LB as a secondary note in my stack; didn’t notice how much difference there was between LB and LBFH though. Never really grokked properly the difference between the two, I’m just going back and rereading the copies now.
Curious, if you’ve run both of them, what your impressions were? Which one made you feel the aura / the results more?
I’ve only run LBFH before.
I don’t see a reason to run LB either. I found great inner development from the spreading.
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Not to derail your thread, William but I just wanted to share that I had run both LBFH and LB. Both are similar but I found LBFH to bs more effective outwards due to its aura effects and found LB to bs more effective internally due to its New Forgiveness Scripting.
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