Why Trying to Heal It All Makes No Sense

I wrote out the answer to this question for another member in another post, I’m not gonna tag them because I don’t want them to feel put on the spot, but I’m also not taking shots at them, it’s a great question and it’s one that I’ve asked myself, several times. After writing, I felt like it was a good topic of general discussion, so I’m posting it here instead.

I’ve seen questions like this come up time and time again, and when I first started at SubClub, I also asked this question. The question itself is based on a vein of cultural programming that is pervasive enough that many of us have been led to the same incorrect (IMO) assumption about healing, what it means to heal, how healing works, etc.

The misunderstanding is the following, seemingly innocent assumption: If I heal all my traumas and limitations first, then I will be able to do anything I want to do.

This is what I call the “monk mode” fallacy. No I’m not taking shots at EB, there is great utility in moke mode for short periods of time and with a definate purpose. I’m taking shots at the idea that it’s even possible to “fully heal” prior to doing the damn thing. Hint, I don’t think it’s possible.

(The final paragraph explains what full healing looks like, it’s the only answer that appears to be reasonable, and it’s not the answer you expected. If you want that answer only, then you’ll find it at the bottom of the post)

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Can I run “healing title-x” and if I run it long enough, will it remove all my problems, making further healing unneccesarry.

Maybe, but also maybe not, the true answer is a little more complex.

From the perspective of the subconcious, there really isn’t a such thing as a trauma/limitation/or emotional block. Something becomes a trauma/limitation/or emotional block when you enter into the world, start living in it, make up your mind to do something, and a subconcious structure holds you back from doing what you want to do, or causes you to behave in a way that you don’t want to behave.

For example, let’s take one of the most common limitations around: fear of sucess, fear of wealth, fear of achievement.

From the point of view of your subconcious, this is simply what it is. Experiences happened in your life, that caused you to form subconcious structures that associated wealth and sucess with danger.

For many people living in the U.S., we were raised to believe that money was evil, and that the rich go to hell. So the subconcious literally believes that if you make money, you will go to hell, therefore, it’s going to protect you from making money.

This isn’t just in the west though. All over the world, there is a belief that poverty is somehow noble.

This becomes a limit and a trauma when you go out into the world, start trying to make a name for yourself, and find yourself c-blocked at every avenue. Why can’t I make money? Now that you’re aware of it, you start digging, interpret the structure as a limitation or blockage, and now you want to remove it. However, before that realization, this wasn’t a “trauma” or “blockage” it was simply the subconcious mind trying to protect you.

So, can it make all other healing unnecessary? The answer is yes and no.

Yes, because it will work to help you overcome everything that’s blocking you currently. Everything that you are either aware of, or dimly aware of, it’s going to help you overcome. If you are running it in a stack, it’s going to try and help you overcome what is currently blocking the expression of your stack.

No, because there are still MANY MANY MANY more subconcious structures that exist deep within you that are not currenlty traumas, limitations, or blockages. They aren’t trauma’s YET because nothing that you are doing is activating them or causing them to become an issue or neusance in your life.

For instance, you might have a fear of heights. Nothing wrong with that. If in 6 months you decide that you want to become a sky-diver, then suddenly that natural and protective fear of heights is a trauma that you’ll want to overcome, make sense?

So! As you grow and change on this journey, things that are CURRENTLY serving you well, might become “traumas” “blockages” and “limitations” later down the line, and they may require more healing to remove them later.

In short, no, you can’t just heal it all and move on. Because trauma, limitation, and blockages are all context dependant and can change over the course of your journey.

Does that mean “Don’t Heal”?

No, what it means is that healing is a use case to remove something that’s blocking you. So yes heal! Use healing! Just get rid of the silly fantasy that you can somehow “heal everything” and become some perfected being before you actually start living your life, it just doesn’t work that way, guys, it just doesn’t work that way. It’s an illusion that’s holding you back from attaining your goals.

The Promised YES-CASE for Full Healing

The ulimate answer, that you weren’t asking for, but I will give anyway. Is that in order to remove every single trauma, limit, and blockage you would need to reach a state of true and pure spiritual enlightenment.

You would need to become a Buddah, essentially.

However if you were to become fully enlightened, chances are that you would no longer give a damn about anything at all, anyway and that’s the great irony of true and pure enlightenment, is that once a person reaches that state, they’ve reached a space of pure potentiality where (according to legend) they can do anything, essentially, for they have removed all limitations, however, the very lack of limitation means that they actually do very little, even though they could do it, because they no longer have any attachment to doing anything at all.

The irony, is that you gain “ultimate power” but the very state of obtaining that ultimate power, means that you don’t use it. This is known as the great joke of enlightenment, it’s a joke because you got everything you wanted, you attained buddahood, you gained ultimate power, and it’s all meaningless to you. Because in order to wield that power, you would need to come back down into the world, to form attachments, and therefore give up your enlightenment.

@moderators Keep me honest, guys.

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Healing

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more like the final O

Does not every title have its healing in order to achieve its objectives?

So basically if you do not have any major trauma you can solely rely on them.

Most do, I’m talking about targeted healing titles that are used for the really deep stuff. NSE also changes things because every title in the modern line up attempts to heal you through organic experience and the company is moving away from traditional healing titles and taking healing in a new direction through the NSE.

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In short, I can’t answer that question, because you might discover traumas and limits that you didn’t know existed and you can’t overcome on your own…well, can’t overcome them easily.

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I have no idea and won’t advise, but the above are my ideas. :man_shrugging:

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What makes you think the state of ‘enlightenment’ is what you think it is?

mind-expanding substances, philospphy, years of training, and being lucky enough to live in a city that has 3 buddhist monastaries, and some pretty dope mentors along the way. That’s mostly speculative though, I’m not enlightened. More of a thought experiment than anything. Take it with a grain of salt, lol

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I believe healing and enlightenment are closely related in the sense that letting go of limitations/what you are not means creating more space in your being for what you truly are and thus is bringing you closer to the state of enlightenment which is really a fancy word for being who you truly are and living your life with the full capacity of your own unique power and perspective on reality.

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I actually agree completely. That’s what I was trying to convey with my example. Buddha is meant to be an example of a man who is fully healed, he no longer has any limitations for he has no attachments. The speculative part is that the enlightened being doesn’t really do anything because they are beyond it. They’ve healed so completely that there is no point in trying to “do” anything. They aren’t going to chase women or money or status or power because it’s pointless to them and they have no attachment to those aspects of life.

The end of enlightenment is letting go of “who you truly are” the ego self, and disolving back into the state of infinite potential. So even the perspective on reality and unique power would disolve at the end, according to ledgend. All that remains is “the God Head” the true nature of a human being, free of everything else. But that’s where we get into the realm of stuff that probably can’t really be understood unless experienced. :man_shrugging:

I’m guilty of this since a powerful ‘enlightenment’ experience some 15 years ago where I got to experience my full self for a couple weeks. After I fell back from that extraordinary state back into my ego shell I suffered sever depression and have been afraid to live my life fully because since that experience I became acutely aware how ‘blind’ I am.

I think it’s a state of such complete and utter love that you naturally want to help others also awake so from my own experience life becomes even more exciting, simple and blissful in the exchange with others and trying to spread the love, and there are countless ways to go about it.

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You’re talking about a high state of meditation beyond the body but as long as we have the body you retain a sort of identity that is totally maleable and that’s where the fun is, your identity becomes whatever helps others at any given moment.

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Hey, we got that in common, that’s also what led me to trying to do that. I had fits and spasms of enlightenment glimpses over the years where for brief periods of time, I disolved and felt the utter freedom of that state, which led me to try and return to it.

But along the way, I realized (and I could be wrong about this) that there is a level at which I have to willingly participate in the “illusions” of this world.

If I want money, fame, and women, then there is a level at which I have to participate in this world and it’s illusions in order to get those things, or else I just wouldn’t give a damn, and I wouldn’t get anything at all. I’d just sit on a rock and become nothingness, lol.

Currently, how I try and balance the spiritual aspect of my life is to enter states that allow me to “remember” the illusion of the world, to remind myself not to get too attached, not to get too caught up in the ego. Currently, I’m working on utilizing the ego better instead of disolving it.

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Well said, lol. So it’s all about the context

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Here’s where it get’s very interesting tho, you can actually remove your egoself from the body, and explore things without a body, without losing your identity. I feel like I’m walking the razor’s edge by saying that, but it’s well documented scientifically that this potential exists, and there is even a sub here to help someone do that…I haven’t run it yet but I had the experience once in my life on accident and it was WILD, been too busy falling into ego traps, lol.

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Isn’t it always about the maddening context. Lords above, is there any solid ground for us to stand on, we mortals.

Also, interesting, I like that.

Hey, you still on Khan, BTW? How do you feel about Khan for fame. You’re a writer and influencer, right?