This is the first time I heard a lot of men were flying overseas in hopes of finding a more traditional woman. I am genuinely curious. What are your sources for this?
What makes someone qualified to be a wife and nurturing mother in your eyes and why?
On the same note what makes someone qualified to be a husband and father in your eyes and why?
It’s already there.
What’s funny? Do you think all women are qualified automatically just because they have genitals or that men can’t vet a wife?
I just thought it was funny. That’s all.
I know a few guys from the UK who married women from the ukraine. Some serbians who live in Germany and the Netherlands flew back to Serbia to marry women there. As far as i know they are all still together that was 6 years ago.
One english guy i met who was a teaching muay thai in Thailand married a thai girl and brought her back to the UK.
You’re not bashing the power that Love is…, and marriage… is never about “love”?
Have you every felt Love before?
No one, even in ancient times can define this thing called ‘Love’ unless they experienced it.
I follow a YouTuber who studied anthropology psychology and sociology. She had mentioned something along these lines and it was quite shocking to me. She also said woman don’t marry a man based off physical appearances and more in the sense of him being a provider man.
I am not one who knows much of history.
What about “falling in love?” You believe this happens after marriage and not before?
Physical marriage is a physical reflection of a higher esoteric spiritual process / law called the union of opposites, a concept that is deeply woven into pretty much every religion and spiritual discipline.
But humanity has treated marriage the same way we treat all higher wisdom — perverted it into something that can be abused.
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This symbol is marriage:
This symbol is marriage:
I’m sure you can find more.
Maybe everyone needs to listen to some LBFH and chillax. 
It can happen before or after marriage. My mother fell in love with my father after an arranged marriage.
Phoenix, are you merely a curious seeker of wisdom and truth? Or someone who like to rebut a conversation with questions without adding anything yourself?
By the way, the first question is already answered so I won’t add anything.
As for the second question, you probably have your own conclusions about me already so keep it. I don’t care to convince you of anything.
As for your last statement, I concur.
It is a multifaceted topic (marriage, love) it can be broken into so many ways that is why there can be some disagreement which happen often. The times of when it occur, how the people lived at those time, etc. All these should be set down or confusion between half-truth will occur. (half-truth being perhaps correct but to a specific set of time/state, etc)
But if you take 5000, 10000 or more years ago (you don’t even need to go that far); What do you think is more important? Someone who provides for you despite his looks or a good looking man who unfortunately is not able to provide much?
I am generalizing but yes, I do not believe it happens before marriage most of the time. The first 1.5 - 2.5 years of relationship of individual will tend to be more on idealism, excitement and novelty. After all the fireworks have settle down then we can start to build something. It is like laying the foundation to a building.
Before we misunderstand what I just say, I am not saying that everyone is exactly the same and that everyone will have X time span to get X result. It is an individual thing. But if any of you look at yourself and your entourage, you will notice that there a sparks period which will tend to go down. Thus, why I used passion, infatuation, etc as the terms of initial stage of relationship for the masses and love being something that comes later.
The best analogy I have for you @TheEmpress is that love in romantic relationships tend to be a lot like gardening. You have to sow the seed, take care of it, wait for it to bloom and cater to it for the long haul. Like in the case of an Apple tree which you might have to wait 5 to 10 years before it bears fruit.
Unfortunately, most people set their standards to immediate gratification and no longer know how to transcend their inevitable inconveniences/suffering and give up after XYZ reason they gave themselves to let go of current partner. Life is not a fairytale, whoever it can be one if you have the will to make reality your own. The question becomes…are you willing to accept what it entails?
I can’t speak for everybody but it’s because people love the idea of settling down with a partner that they love for the rest of their life and also maybe having kids. That’s the simplest explanation that covers most people.
Not married.
I’d say yes. Having someone close to you that you can talk to every day about your troubles and worries, growing older, and bonding together. It’s beautiful and sweet.
Well, let’s not forget that women in the past did not have the means to support themselves as they had to be reliant on their families. Once they reached adulthood, their family could no longer support them, so they had them marry any man who could provide for them. Critically, women were not allowed to work until the past 100 to 200 hundred years. Current marriage laws in the USA, as some are complaining, is a relic from a time when women were 100% reliant on their husband.
We don’t live in those times anymore and women can now support themselves financially, so we now all have the freedom to marry based on love instead of financial security. So marriage laws should really not involve any splitting of assets these days.
Of course, on the flip side, if any man wants to marry and have a housewife, they shouldn’t complain that their wife gets any money/assets during a divorce. How else are they going to support themselves otherwise when they’ve been out of the workforce for potentially years/decades?
This is what I “consciously” want. I’m working on not feeling lack because that may be blocking the blessing from coming to fruition. I’m also looking at where I may have an “unconscious” belief that it’s better or safer to be alone.
Agreed! 
Yes, I think being happy with yourself is the first step. Getting married or having a partner to fill a hole within yourself is not great for either party. Once self-love has been achieved, then the choice to marry or not to marry will be a far more effortless decision. In this case, everything comes back to self-love or a lack of it.
If you’re running a title like LBFH or Heartsong and you’re journaling your feelings, then you will find your answer eventually 
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I’ve used both on and off over a year now. 
Just added the new LBFH to my stack with Stark and Seductress.
I’m not dating anyone and solely focused on ME.
I’ve decided to abstain from any form of sexual activity with men back in August after a pretty intense 1 year rollercoaster relationship. It shook me to the core in a good way though.
What about trying a woman to change a perspective ?
Already explored that when I was younger. Not for me.
Yes, but a lot of people misunderstand how statistics work and are drawing conclusions from this without understanding the reasons why.
Women now have financial independence and can work, which means they can now divorce without being worried they’d be homeless. This equals to higher divorce rate because women can freely exit a bad relationship whereas they couldn’t before.
Women statistically still do most of the housework and childbearing activities WHILE still having a job, which leads to disatisfaction.
A 2019 US Bureau of Labor Statistics report indicates that on an average day in 2018 only 20% of men did any housework in comparison to nearly 50% of women. This is a strong indication that among married couples with equal responsibility, the women still tend to pull more weight around the home.
Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin published a study in 2019 that took a look at over 6,000 heterosexual American couples over a period of 15 years. The study indicated that many husbands experienced the effects of psychological distress when their wives made more than 40% of the household income.
So you believe men don’t think that their wedding day as a very special day in their lives as well? This is a loaded statement that is just straightforwardly sexist.
Yes… because they had no choice otherwise. This is a fictitious past you’re fantasizing about, to be frank. If men in the past cheated on their partners, do you think their wives could even do anything about it?
Conveniently, women are the instigators again and men are the victims, that “had” to become “less traditional without much choice”.
Or maybe, just maybe, we live in a time where everybody can freely choose to partake in sexual activities without being tied down by traditional societal expectations of needing to marry (for both genders!), due to progressively better social norms?
This is great! Surely as a man, one would also be glad that they don’t feel the need to get married just to have sex? Or is this criticism selectively only for women?
Good!
If female promiscuity must be scorned in your worldview, I hope you are morally consistent and are also equally scornful when men commit any kind of extramarital sex.
It’s frankly quite confusing. Do you want a world where men can freely have sex or not? If yes, then this requires women to be equally promiscuous. If not, then you want to live in world where only sex after marriage is viable and socially encouraged for both genders. Reading all the sexcapades from all the men on the forum, most who are from the West, I find it hard to believe that this is what most men in the West actually want.
If this is the case then the government and insurance should stay out of marriage together.
Marriage in an economic sense in today’s age where at least in the U.S is leveraging both of your assets for a joint economic strategy. This alone ties everything together.
Further you have the fact that one partner may make economic sacrifices for the joint economic benefit such as not going to school and making money at a lower wage now so that your partner can take more risks like going to college, or starting a new company or study for licensing exams while the other partner is taking care of other things.
It gets messy really fast in tangible and intangible ways and therefore you need to have a legal way to split assets. It’s not so cut and dry.
Now you can and should protect assets acquired before the marriage and there already a mechanism which is a pre-nup.
But once you are in a marriage everything gets tied to the family not the individual.