Wealth stack question

what?

then what is the point of this entire forum?

are we not here to help each other?

so if we see someone doing something that we think will not benefit them we should not do the right thing and point this out?

what exactly is the point of this forum then if not to give and receive feedback on the use of subclub products?

@Fire @SaintSovereign

again, what is this?

what type of moderation is this?

he is telling us to NOT give feedback when that is precisely the purpose of a public forum

giving and receiving feedback is why this forum was created.

If we think jcast is doing something that will not lead him to a good outcome in life then what is wrong with pointing that out?

why is that wrong?

if someone notices that im doing something wrong that will lead me to a bad outcome in life then i would hope they would tell me so i can avoid this bad outcome.

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Do you ever stop and re read the things you write or respond to? like seriously man

Even if they did point it out you would probably dismiss it and tell them that you didn’t read it lol

It feels like the rules of this forum have a moving goal post that’s subject to moderator bias instead of what is actually written down on the FAQ section.

@RVconsultant - Madara isn’t breaking any of the forum rules per

https://www.subliminalresults.com/faq

His concerns for JCast have been civil (nothing has been offensive, abusive, or considered to be hate speech)

@SaintSovereign - Kind of worrying that stopping this is setting a precendent that members cannot bring forth concerns for other members choices and constantly changing their goals. Especially when this forum is EXACTLY what that is meant for. We provide feedback, guidance, and constructive conversation on how to help each other.

Granted @MadaraUchiha is the last person to be giving goal advice when you refuse to commit to a sub for longer than 3 loops if you don’t see immediate results :joy: kind of laughable honestly.

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It’s definitely ironic but @MadaraUchiha is aware of what he is doing so I personally just chalk it up to his way of experimenting with the products he has. Given his life circumstances he might not feel any urgency to commit to anything long term, which is fair, I guess. Like I’ve said before, everyone here has different means, but our common goal is to self-improve and to an extent @MadaraUchiha is improving, his communication on the forum is at the very least.

Certain people flagging posts in this thread do not share this view. This isn’t a criticism aimed at the moderators, but at the people who think that any comment made towards their loyal friend @JCast is a declaration of war :relaxed:

I do think that it is important to be able to reach out to others when we see them going astray. Just the other day, @TheDerpinator commented in my journal about not rushing into Khan, and while I made an excuse and tried to rationalize it in the moment, It was what I needed to hear at the time. I’m very grateful to be able to share my thoughts and views here and I’m also very grateful for the fact that the people here will disagree with me and try to get me back on the right path when I’m straying too far from it.

It’s one of the reasons that I don’t mute people on here and I’m always disappointed whenever I see people robbing themselves of the experience of having to deal with criticism or even conflicting worldview.

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@MadaraUchiha

I’m in a good mood, let’s dig in a little shall we? As always, feel free to read, ignore or flag it, like the man said. I never handle my own flags, so no conflict of interest there.

You mention it is possible to change stacks without changing goals. How about changing goals without changing stacks? Is it within reason to deduce Saint assumed that a logical result of changing goals was to also change stacks and as such sticking to goals would result in less changing of stacks? If so, perhaps he jumped ahead and addressed the changing of stacks instead.

Or maybe he misinterpreted. He wasn’t the only one then, since you had to clarify your point to AjUK a few posts later as well.

Thirdly, Saint gets tagged a lot, he may have speed-read over your post and his mind filled in the blanks, replacing “goals” with “stacks”. It happens, sigh and roll your eyes if you feel like it, then let it go.

Alternatively to the above, what were you actually asking? You talked about frequent goal-switching, gave advice to JCast, then asked the moderators what they thought about your post. Does that mean you wanted a comment on the advice you gave? The way you delivered said advice? What were you expecting we would comment on exactly?

Finally, “literally NOTHING”? That’s quite definitive. Maybe you’re not giving your imagination enough credit, since I can think of many things which have SOMETHING to connect your post and Saint’s post. Be careful with such definitive statements, they close you off from a world of wonderful possibilities.

I think this was likely the cherry on top of a post with lots of capitalized words. This is probably what irked RVC (funny word, irked).

It’s never nice to be the recipient of statements like these. I’ve received (and sent) enough of them to know. And combined with the definitive from above it reads as very antagonistic. Maybe that’s your intent, maybe not. Either way, by now I really wish you’d realize the effect you’re having when you make such statements. People are stating that we’re overly forgiving of your frequently agitating posts, and maybe they are correct. Your posts often are too in-your-face confrontational enough that whatever you’re trying to say is lost to the reader.

Honestly, I’m at a loss on how to help you adapt to the forum. It’s like you get onto a busy highway and instead of changing your speed to match traffic, you intentionally slow down enough that everybody starts honking their horn and gets road-rage. But hey, it’s everybody else that’s speeding, right? You’re following the rules to the letter.


Which brings me to your replies to RVC’s post.

He won’t tell you what you were doing wrong because we’ve been telling you. Again and again. Your posts are, as stated above, often confrontational and “loud” (as in, it’s difficult to skip over them and makes people feel they need to be on the defensive even if the post isn’t even about them) which results in lots of frustrations with all parties involved. What you call a personal problem with you is him telling you how you were affecting the forum over and over. I guess he’s given up and now shortens the post to simply ask you to stop (and think).

He’s not trying to set you up so he can ban you. He doesn’t need to, by now there are enough complaints, flags and ignores against you that even the forum software has sent us an automatic email stating we should look into you because you’re a disruptive influence.

Are you in obvious violation of the rules? I don’t think so, but you’re causing a disturbance in the Force. A 1001 forum users behave according to a certain etiquette, adapting to the collective attitude, but 1 user comes in and behaves radically different. At first, people accept it, patiently waiting for that user to find their place in the flow of things. Then, they start getting annoyed. Finally, they start a picket line, protesting the user’s presence. They’re voting the odd man out off the island.

To the forum, you’re the guy on the train talking very loudly on his cell phone in the quiet section. Nobody says anything until finally somebody loses their cool.

And referring to RVC as “this guy” isn’t gonna win any sympathy with Saint and Fire either.

I trust @Monarch understands what I’m trying to say. Humans are able to live in large societies because we adapt to the collective. It’s how we have survived from the day the first human fell out of a tree in Africa. Upset the collective and they were kicked out to survive on their own in a very unforgiving world. In the old days, that was a death sentence.

As much as we’d like to think of ourselves as being better than that, our society is still one large collective and the same unspoken rules still apply. Getting kicked out is no longer a death sentence, but that person would be forced to make a living on the fringes of society. Maybe that’s how they like it. If so, then why do they try so hard to stay part of the collective?

The user community here tends to be very open and I’ve seen discussions about political and religious views which didn’t explode and even heartfelt talks about sexuality. But although they allow a lot, they do expect people to at least communicate in a certain way. In that, the forum is self-moderating. If everybody wrote their posts like Madara it would have been me and RVC getting kicked out for being too soft. We’d have to change our communication or leave.


As far as RVC asking people to stop talking about JCast, you can take that one literally. People were actually talking about JCast as if he wasn’t even here. Talking about JCast in the third person in the thread JCast himself created. Let’s have a lengthy debate about all of JCast’s issues, shall we? Just ignore the fact he’s in the room, the grown ups are talking now.

You have advice for JCast, talk to him, not the guy next to you.

Some parts of this thread reminded me of my childhood and my biological mother telling me over and over just how worthless I was until I started believing it. That’s not helping.


Now how did we all manage to completely derail this thread?

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i disagree 100% by this statement.

the vast majority of my time on this forum is spent doing research on products im considering testing.

at least 80% of my posts are me asking about a product or asking if people think X product can help me achieve X outcome.

anyone can check my post history and see this is the case.

also, as far as this current situation i challenge you to show a single post in this thread that is confrontational towards jcast.

i was genuinely trying to help him as i know nothing can be achieved is one changes goals as often as he does.

as far as my posts being “loud” i have no idea what that even means in actual practical terms so if you want to clarify exactly what that means then i can respond but as far as confrontational you are wrong and anyone can check my post history and see that no the majority of my posts are NOT confrontational.

that is exactly what i did.

show me a post in this thread by me that shows otherwise.

wow.

i find that to be a very strange interpertation.

i do not remember a single post towards jcast that had such a vibe and definitely not by me.

but either way, that is your opinion and some of us disagree.

obviously, if jcast says “hey dude im not interested in your help with this” then the person he says this to should immediately drop the subject which is exactly what i did when jcast made it clear he was not interested in my help on this subject with his post where he tagged me.

what exactly does this mean?

how do i write that is an issue to you?

can you show some posts by me that are examples of this style that you think is negative?

also, if someone finds my so called writing style annoying then why not just put me on ignore?

is that not exactly the purpose of the ignore feature?

anyone can just put me on ignore and then i completely dissapear and have no impact on their experience while they are on this forum.

so why not just do this if someone does not like my so called “writing style”?

@JCast, I stand behind what @Billions wrote, I’m running an almost identical stack : Ascended Mogul + EOG. Go here to read about my experience with EOG stage 1 : Ascended Mogul + EoG journal

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