that’s cool, the book does focus a lot on noticing & playing the social game. being able to understand people more deeply will surely help
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Rest day 4
There are no dreams, unlike the last 2 washout periods.
A part of my confidence is rising, but a part of it is still lower than before I used WB.
there’s something strange, I feel like my mind is being overloaded every time I think about my physical goals.
Update 1:
Productivity is high as usual, but motivation is not.
Recon from WB is down to only around 5% of the train wreck that was 3 days ago.
Workout is amazing, it’s really effortless. More than before i used WB.
Update 2:
I did another introspection.
I’m doing less mental wrestling compared to before i used SC. The effect is gradual so i didn’t notice it until now.
The tranquility script in LBFH is working well.
Update 3:
Productivity is gone, it’s just not there. I’m dragging myself by force.
Recon is gone. no recon, I just can’t feel the effects of other subs, no productivity boost, no overflowing self-love, etc. Of course, they are not completely gone, but you know what I mean. maybe processing WB’s script is taking priority in my head now.
Update 4:
I can’t feel the no PMO effect from DRLD anymore. I’m holding it through sheer willpower alone right now.
Update 5:
Productivity is fluctuating
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I originally wanted to write this in the WB product discussion thread, but I decided that it’s not appropriate to write this reply there:
Found this while searching “productivity” in this thread
I was having a similar recon.
I felt like people were ignoring me while in reality, they were not.
the feeling was really intense a few days ago though it has been subsiding now. i wrote more about the intensity in my journal. but it was strong enough that I felt like they were not just ignoring me, they were “missing” (gotta rephrase this word) from my reality.
The feeling of insecurity from it was also really strong.
I’m also having lack of productivity because the shift in my mindset affected one of the foundations of my motivation to be productive. that was worse a few days about because it was on top of the other recons.
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Cycle 6 Day 2 rest
Productivity high.
i want to go back to work, I’ll update this journal later
Update 1:
“I don’t need to talk with them” is the reoccurring thought that has been happening lately.
I want to, but I don’t need to. which sounds cool and all but the feelings clash with each other a bit.
I need to internalize WB more into my being.
I’m more thirsty. i drink a lot more than usual.
Update 2:
Productivity is really high.
I feel less need to respond if I don’t need to.
i can feel LBFH’s effect again, maybe it’s blooming, or WB’s self love script is helping.
no recon, even with 3 subs stacked, no diminishing effects either. let’s see if treating mogul with 30s microloops only like ascension chamber is realistic or not.
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Cycle 6 day 8
Rest
Social life great
Productivity bad
a lot more sexual advances to me.
running WB DRLD for 30m total was not smart with the mogul experiment. I feel the same decrease in productivity as when I’m overloaded.
no recon. my mental state is better than ever in my life.
Update 1:
I did an introspection and found another hidden recon
My mind is trying to invalidate my results. My logical mind knows that the effects are there, but a part of me is trying to underplay it.
If i were a skeptic, i would say that the sub is not doing a lot. That’s what the recon is making me think, when in reality it’s different.
Update 2:
Greater appreciation to my looks.
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Cycle 6 day 10
Rest
no recon yesterday, productivity normal.
My favorite effects from WB are the decrease in neediness and the increase in emotional control. i like them even more than girls, sex, and other effects from WB. i wish there was a stand alone healing sub with those effects only.
Vipassana greatly boosts my emotional control even further. more than I expected.
I asked the sub to guide me into having greater control of my emotions and a few days later ouroboros posted about vipassana. the manifestation scripting works, rofl.
Update 1:
Productivity high. this really feels like DRLD’s effect.
my head I clearer now, I can see with a level head the difference between what WB’s recon 2 weeks ago brought up and how I feel now compared to then.
less neediness, more emotional control, more girls, more sex drive, more workout motivation.
different feelings of productivity and in socialization.
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Amazing! Glad to hear it 
Had you tried it before I brought it up?
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i have heard about the concept of vipassana before in other forms, but I didn’t pay any attention to them.
now that you have brought it up, the path that I can take is clearer.
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Cycle 6 day 11
DRLD 6m WB 6m
maybe i can take 12 minutes now seeing that I didn’t get much recon on day 9.
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Cycle 6 day 12
Rest
I feel lazier today. it’s a common thing in the day before I listen to mogul. i do it once every 6 days like this:
tomorrow is the decisive day to see if the experiment of treating mogul like ascension chamber is a good idea or not. i didn’t overload myself with WB and DRLD for the past few days, no big recon. it’s a sterile ground to see if using mogul tomorrow will be too much or not.
30 seconds of mogul works. the effects are obvious even with this treatment.
WB5m DRLD5m Mogul30s is also not as heavy as listening to WB15m DRLD15m, but this is not conclusive yet. i still need to see how it will turn out after I do it again tomorrow.
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Cycle 6 day 15
WB 6m30s DRLD 6m30s
I hope adding 30s would not be too heavy.
no recon from yesterday. i think that concluded the experiment:
-i can stack a microloop of mogul every 6 days, get the effects of it, and not get overexposed.
-the effects are not as noticeable anymore on the 5th day.
-there’s no noticeable decrease in the effects of DRLD and WB.
I will switch mogul to the 21st day instead of the 19th to get more clarity on the effects of LBFH and mogul individually.
this is not conclusive yet. there is still a lot that has to be experimented on. but with this experiment at least I know that the concept works.
Update 1:
I’m more sexually active. It’s a good balancer to the productivity from mogul and DRLD
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Cycle 6 day 16
Rest
I will start using LBFH tomorrow, It’s earlier than the planned schedule but it’s the only sub that i care about running. WB has integrated well within me and i have found out what LBFH’s bloom feels like. there’s really no reason to delay it any further.
Maybe I will make a custom of LBFH & productivity cores/modules. the lack of productivity was the reason why i started listening to mogul in the first place.
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Cycle 6 day 17
WB 6m LBFH 10m
multiple instant manifestations. that’s the only way I can describe what happened.
it’s distinctly LBFH. i know what it looks like, what it feels like, it’s LBFH’s doing.
Update 1:
The overflowing self love is back.
There’s also a strange effect. There is a different feeling behind the upper part of my nose, not a bad or annoying one, just different.
I love WB’s effects on reducing neediness, increasing emotional control, social skills, and physical shifting. I don’t even care about the effects on the increase in attractiveness or girls anymore, the effects above are all i want.
I’ve been thinking about making a custom lately. LBFH core + productivity + emotional control + detachment + social skills
I don’t know what module / sub deals with neediness like WB does though, something that helps with detachment. It’s a great balancer to LBFH.
Edit: nevermind, I found the module “love without attachment”.
The physical shifting is great, i love how it makes me look at my body in a different light, but i can live without it.
I’ll wait until ZPv2 MAX is out first before making one though. I’ll also make another thread for advice.
Update 2:
the crying effect is back again.
It doesn’t feel like a recon, it’s more like I’m allowing myself to be vulnerable towards myself. it’s freeing.
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What did you manifest?
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People contacting me and a work related one
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Cycle 6 day 18
Rest
i feel better about everything. LBFH gives a different kind of confidence than DRLD.
I asked about the custom I had in mind in another post and got a lot of good replies.
i decided to try the normal RM or UA first. if I don’t feel the same amount of productivity as when I’m using mogul + drld, then I will make the custom with modules focusing on productivity and see how it goes.
Update 1:
The manifestation was there, but not as much as when I’m using LBFH &/ Ascension Chamber. AC does work, I don’t think there’s a reason to not use it other than recon or the mogul microloop experiment that I’m doing. If using AC is too overwhelming then cut the playtime of the stack.
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How so?
Why don’t you perceive Chosen as having these characteristics? IMO chosen does all those. It may hit those traits differently but it does work in them. WB would be because “you’re so attractive on WB” that you don’t need to be needy, and because social and emotional control are attractive, while with Chosen it would come from social/emotional regulation, a sense of deep inner positivity and ease, slight emotional healing… Saint called GLM:Co + LBFH a “bootstrapped version of chosen” just to give you a sense of the connection between LBFH and chosen, there are some similarities. But that emotional regulation and positive leadership from chosen would result in non-neediness, ease of socializing, and emotional control
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more vigor and less feeling of being limited. i think this is also because of DRLD.
I only looked at the product description, WB says it clearly while it’s quite vaguely implied with Chosen.
that’s a good point. maybe I should not rely on the description too much and just use the sub to see how will it work.
i have a lot of subs to try from your recommendations now lol. i will drop WB tomorrow to have the 12 days of breathing room before swapping it to chosen. I’ll stack it with LBFH and Genesis/RM.
Edit 1:
I dug around the forum, I decided that I’ll run LBFH + Genesis + UA next cycle.
Chosen can wait until after I’ve finished DR. RM is amazing but I don’t want to focus on some of the goals yet.
Edit 2:
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Why not make a LBFH + Mogul custom asap? Are you thinking of maybe stacking LBFH with something other than Mogul?
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I want to see how the productivity will be with genesis and UA. Then i will isolate one of the two to get more clarity. If i have mogul in the custom with LBFH now then I can’t differentiate which sub gives me the productivity.
Yeah, i want to find a sub that makes me go “i want to use this sub for a long time” like LBFH. Mogul is a great candidate, but i want to explore other subs first.
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