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#924

I’m rethinking my decision to continue using HeO.

Here is a snippet from my offline journal about it.

“I have gotten everything i need from HeO”

This feeling never goes away since around half a year ago, maybe more.
Objectively speaking, if i assess the changes that it has brought to my life, I have indeed gained everything i need from it.
The only reasons i’m still using it are to maintain its effects and make the changes stick more permanently.

Is this my intuition telling me that i have had enough exposure to HeO?
I’ve been using it for more than 12 cycles anyway.

Maybe I’ve outgrown HeO?
It has done its job.
When i took the HeO hiatus, I noticed some of the effects were getting a bit weaker. But the changes it brought over the year are mostly still intact.
Now that I’m back to it, I’m realizing that what i lost are not even worth mentioning. I have integrated well with the changes after almost 1 year of using it.

Not sure if i should stick with it or not.
It has done what i want it to do.
I have used it long enough to where the changes have stuck.

I’ll stick with it for now and think about it more in the middle/end of the month.

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#925

I think you will still grow if you use it continually over the next decade.

But growth for it’s own sake is meaningless.

I’d go back to my goals, what I want to achieve, what I want to change in my life.

If HeO can still help you, good.

If there are better subs for your goals, drop it.

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#926

Honestly, i haven’t seen much changes inside from HeO since half a year ago.
I kept using it just to maintain the effects that are already there. making them stick deeper & longer.

You’re right, it has done its job. I can drop it to focus on other improvements. Maybe i’ll use it once in a while just to refresh the scripting.

I don’t know what to replace it with though.

I’m not really interested in running another sub other than DRR1 now. It hits every parts that i want to improve other than creativity.

Using DRR1 with RM or UA would be nice, but i think i’ll solo it for the time being.
It’s the sub that i want & need the most for my current circumstances.

So i think it’s better to give more focus on DRR1 alone when i don’t terribly want/need to use a another sub.

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#927

When in doubt, Chosen or Genesis are always good!

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#928

I just figured out that this is indeed the case.
The degree of productivity is different when i was running DRR1 with different subs.

DRR1 + HeO gave me the least. This is a big part of the reasons why i decided to swap out HeO for other subs. It has done its job and the effects that i want to stay have stuck around. I love using HeO, but i want to focus more on creativity & productivity now.

The productivity boost from HeO felt less direct compared to the other subs.

Now that i think about it, maybe that’s why i needed 2 “productivity” subs (HeO + something else) to balance out LBFH. HeO didn’t even give me that big of a boost in the first place, so i needed to add a sub that has more productivity boost to go toe to toe with the slight lethargy & the general outgoingness from LBFH.

Although the evidence is abundant, I need to test this out more by using LBFH + DRR1 + A productivity sub to be 100% sure.

I wouldn’t have noticed it if i didn’t stop HeO for a while and started DRR1 which works extremely well with productivity scripting from other subs.

@SaintSovereign @Fire For a sub about mastery & dedication, I think HeO could use a more direct/in depth productivity scripting.

Or maybe i’m just uniquely not as responsive to the productivity scripting from HeO compared to/without the help of other subs. That’s also a possibility.

I should probably explain this further.

The productivity from HeO feels like it comes from dedication.
Inner conviction & devotion to the craft. Feels like it’s for a higher purpose.

That is super fulfilling.

But it doesn’t feel like a general productivity push like the one from Mogul & RM:UWX.
Pairing those 3 with DRR1/DRLD enhances these effects, but it also highlights how indirect HeO’s boost is.

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#931

Wanted to ask a question - Since I have never run any Dragon Reborn titles. Neither Phoenix Reborn nor Limit Destroyer. Do you suggest me to run them? And what do I expect when I run them?

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#932

My experience with DRLD & DRR1 are a bit similar.

They both act as a booster for the other subs in my stack.
DRLD is more focused on breaking limits.
DRR1 has a bigger scope, it’s more general.

You should consider adding them if you want to bring the other subs in your stack to another level.

Though i weirdly didn’t get any significant recon from DRR1.
Other people have reported higher recon while they are on it.
So the safer option is DRLD if you feel like you’re not ready for DRR.

I personally like DRR1 more since it fits my wants & needs better.

Another reason to add them is the random healing they do.

Use them for a few cycles and then suddenly you notice the old regrets, anger, anxiety etc that you’ve been holding at the back of your mind for decades are gone.

Things that were holding you back from taking action, getting out of your comfort zone etc are gone.

Everything is just easier when you use them.
The DR series is the ultimate grease for the gears that run your life.

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#934

Iv heard someone say machine rest just made them sleepy and tired.

Just a lil tip

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#941

On my first ever cycle of genesis, I had 9 days of washout recon. I had no recon whatsoever during my cycle, but once I started taking a washout, recon was intense for 9 days. After the 10th day it subsided so i restarted my cycle.

It’s possible, don’t second guess it if your intuition is saying it’s recon but your logic is saying you’ve been on a washout for too long for that to be feasible.

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#945

Making sure the changes stick.

After I compare the results from 10 cycles of LBFH & 12 cycles of HeO to the other subs I’ve used before.

I am certain that the only way to use subs is to stick to it for as long as possible, at least 6 to 9 months.
Anything lower than that should only be for an emergency or a short term goal.
If you want the changes to reach deep & stick long after you stop using the subs, at least that long is mandatory.

After 6 to 9 months, the effects from the subs will be upgraded to long term changes within you.
It will be harder to fade away since it’s not just an effect from the subs, it’s already a part of you.
the changes that stay won’t be just something on the surface either, it will have a huge scope and become deeper.

When your intuition says “ok, you are done with the sub” and the results, improvements etc are clear & objectively present in your life, keep it still in the stack for at least 2 to 3 more cycles.

Better yet, only swap if your direction in life has significantly changed, or if the subs have solved so much of your original goals that keep using it past that point won’t be the most beneficial anymore, only after using them for 6 to 9 months.

LBFH is one of my favorite subs and it has changed my life dramatically, but It won’t make sense for me to keep using it since the changes it brought have stayed and become a normal part of my life. Even after half a year without it. The same with HeO.

Sure, i don’t get the immediate effects from them anymore like the overflowing love or the boost towards living up to the virtues, but the changes that stay are already more than enough for what I want and need in my life.

Focusing on other aspects I want to enhance in life will, and has given me better ROI overall.
Life is dynamic, you are dynamic, and so should your usage of subs.
Find the balance between too short & too long for your goals.

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#946

I wholeheartedly agree.
And disagree at the same time.

At the moment, I run subs for short term goals,
while the long-term goals are staying the same.

I’ve built my custom to find a job in sales and prepare me optimally for it. Now that I have a training position, my needs changed, so I changed the subs.

I think it makes a major difference if you’ve sorted out a lot already, like you did.
Or if you’ve just realized how bad it actually is, and you’re struggling to survive, like me.

Where you are the captain of a pretty yacht, looking to improve your navigation skills and overhauling the interior,
I’m fighting to survive in a leaky submarine and have to make adjustments regularly. I just can’t afford to get a new interior because the moment I would put my energy on such a long-term project, I wouldn’t stop the boat from sinking.

It’s not that I wouldn’t love to run a stack for nine months straight. Especially AA, LB or Primal, would offer so much. But for the moment I need fast acting subs like Ascension or LE.

I hope you’re getting what I want to say.

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#947

Yes, we agree on the same thing.

I should have written it better and put more emphasis on the “emergency & short term goals”.

You’re right though, my short term & long term goals are usually aligned most of the time, and the subs are holistic enough to cover all of them. So i wasn’t really considering situations like yours when i was writing that.

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#951

Completely agree here. There are going to be “staple” subs. Then there’s always the subs like PN or LE or whatever you want to just get a quick result. But they should only be sampled if you’re consistent with your main sub.

In this case I love being able to transition to a sub that incorporates a lot of the same elements. Like transitioning from Mogul to Emperor, and/or Emperor to E:TWP/EmpD/HOM, or from Love Bomb to Heartsong, or from any combination of Genesis/Mogul/RM:W/RoM all of which share many similar "purpose "scripts.

I think you’re right here - and i’d add that if Ascension is working for you, you should keep it for 6-9+ months.

HeO has a much broader objectives list than LBFH so I’m not surprised. it’s a deep title. It’s also got the “unfolding” effect which is unique to HeO and the Revelation series, where results happen without a need to take action. Perhaps that unfolding effect is what you’re feeling is missing.

I’d bet $1000 that EmpD would do this very well - I can just imagine you using some Wisdom Energy to watch someone start an unimportant argument with you and you letting them win in a way where you look good… the more mature warrior letting the youngling swing his sword wildly, with the youngling thinking he’s being intimidating while everyone around him cowers in submission, but with everyone else thinking he’s being rash and immature and showcasing his own inexperience in leadership.

But I also think that RoM would do SO much for you in terms of this. I’ve always thought RoM would be great for you. There’s elements of it in Limitless, and RM:UA, and HeO. It has an intense pursuit of the mastery of knowledge and of the mastery of the mind, and directly works on analytical skills, understanding about everything, etc. etc.

Don’t let me switch you off your stack or anything. But if you do, I think you’d like these more than ETWP. But DRR1 is a beast that will provide a lot, even when run solo.

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#953

As for this…

That ^ makes total sense.

:eyes:

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#954

Just as i wrote about an idea of a sub that focuses on open mindedness yesterday. The new PR shows exactly what i want in a sub like that.

These are amazing for self growth outside of romance. Imagine how the effects will affect everything else. Self growth, healing, relations with others, creativity etc.

The goals of PR sound beautiful, i will absolutely run it when i choose to be in a relationship. Then i will consciously guide the understanding scripting so it affects more than just my relationship.

I think this is the only primal sub i’m seriously considering using. I still haven’t felt the tingles to get into it yet though. My focus is still elsewhere. so it will be later in the future.

Edit:

It’s confirmed that it will work outside of romance too, i’m so gonna use this sub.

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#956

DRR1 15m LE 30s

I have been using subs that have productivity scripting in them for more than a year.
Mogul, RM:UWX, RM:V, HeO.
There is cognitive enhancement scripting in most of them too.

The foundation has been laid out, so I will use +30s every listening day.

Edit 1:
Nah, there’s no use in rushing. I’ll use +15s instead.

Edit 2:
Actually, I can afford to experiment for the next few weeks. I might as well try LE for +30s and DRR2 before I get really busy again.

Update 1:

I feel nothing different.
No recon at all.

This is exciting. That means it’s similar productivity & creativity to RM:UWX but with less focus on writing. Just a broad enhancement towards my productivity & creativity like usual.

This is what i want.

30s is this promising.
I can’t wait to see what will happen if i listen to more.
I’ll jump straight to 7m.

I shouldn’t be too reserved. There are reasons to increase exposure.

  • I have built up the base for productivity & creativity scripting for more than a year.
  • It’s an older & lighter sub.
  • It’s totally aligned with my life.
  • There is no recon at all.
  • And my schedule is free enough to take the risk for the next few weeks.

If this works like how i think it would, DRR1 + LE would be the most invisible stack i’ll ever use.
It’s a broad yet focused stack. I like it.

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#957

The only thing i don’t really like about LE is how it has Beyond Limitless.
BL is for short term goals. The description says it itself.

I’m here for the long run. I’m sure LE would be great if i use it for long, but I want a sub that will give me the best bang for the bucks.

That’s why i decided to stay with my plan and make the custom i planned with Limitless, UA and modules for productivity, creativity & meditation.
I’ll make it in 3-4 months.
The goals are similar. productivity, creativity, & meditation, but customized to my needs & for long term growth.

So LE now will act like a stage 1 to the custom.

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#958

The 11 on 4 off schedule is working well so far.

This is superior than anything above 13 - 15 listening days.
Even with 4 rest days instead of 5.

No overload symptoms at all.
I don’t feel that distinctive load around day 15-18, and definitely no debilitating weight & lethargy around day 19 - 23 (this is not an exaggeration, that is 1 common side effect I consistently felt around that time period regardless of what sub i used).

This schedule is perfect.
Listening time always starts at the 1st & 16th of the month. Washouts always at the 12th & 27th.
With february as the only exception. Use 9 on 4/5 off on the 16th of february (Or take a 13/14 days of washouts this time every year).
When there’s 31 days in the month, use 11 on 5 off on the 16th.

No more awkwardly trying to fit 26 days into the schedule.

6 total listening days in 11 days.
An even number makes stacking 3 subs less awkward.
In the normal 21 on 5 off, the third sub always get 1 less loop than the first & second.

I have also tested 9 on 4 off for months. It worked well. So 11 is definitely not “too short” by any means.

After testing various schedules for more than a year, i found out that:

  • Mon Wed Fri with rest on the weekends is not enough. 2 days of rest, even if there are 2-3 weekends in a cycle, is not enough to mitigate the overload symptoms near the end of the cycle. (Tagging @Fire & @SaintSovereign to take this one into consideration since you guys mentioned the weekend strategy for the new pdf)
  • 3 rest days in the middle of a cycle is the bare minimum. It’s not optimal nor sustainable in the long run, but it actually does something than just 2.
  • With only 11 days, 4 is optimal.
  • 5 is great.

With the 11 on 4 off schedule, there’s no need to vaguely tell people to “take extra rest days in the middle of the cycle”. It’s built-in in the schedule using the most consistently optimal 4 days of rest.

#959

I can totally see how you got there, especially because Limitless and QL are both updated while BL hasn’t been (neither the product nor the copy).

ZP made all titles more “fast acting.” But back in the day, Beyond Limitless was an “ultima” product, and Ultima was the counterpart to Qv2, which was meant to be listened to the same day you wanted to get results.

When the copy is referring to BL being good for “Short Term Goals” that’s still very much referring to the technology (ultima) as much as or more than the script (beyond limitless).

But with that being said, of course if you want the title that gives you extreme long-term results and doesn’t worry about how fast you get there, QL is the way to go. It’s SUPER enhancement on the physical, hormonal, neural, emotional levels, anything that might have anything to do with your brain, so you can improve cognition. I think ST2 especially focuses on creativity out of the four stages.

BL just kinda directly targets creativity and productivity without the other stuff.

You’re gonna love LE, whether you keep it as a sub for a long time or you use it as stage 1.

Personally, I wouldn’t sleep on how effective of a results enhancer LE can be, because the scripting isn’t just about cognition, it’s also about performance, meaning it helps you perform at your best every day.

And that means less recon and more action

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#960

That could be the case. I’m guessing out of the lack of information that the scripting is still targetted towards short term enhancements. I wonder what they will spin BL & LE as when they update them.

We have microloops now for short term goals anyway. So I kinda don’t see the point of them if it’s solely for cognitive enhancement.

I would love to use QL instead of Limitless, but I plan to run the custom alongside DRR1.
2 multistagers in a stack sounds a bit risky.
Maybe I’ll add it as the 4th stage after i’m done with DRR.
(stage 1: LE, 2: Limitless + UA, 3: RoM + UA, 4: QL + UA)

Yep, I’m sure of it. Every single productivity & creativity sub i’ve ever used from SC, when combined with either DRLD or DRR1, always work really well.

LE is just a more distilled & focused version of them. no extra stuff.
Just productivity, cognitive enhancement & meditation boost. All that i need to pair with DRR1.

This is what i’m after with LE. simple & straightforward for what truly matters to me.
I wish they upgrade LE to be more compatible with long term goals too. I might ditch my plan to make a custom altogether if they do that in less than a few months from now, rofl.

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