Unofficial ZP Quantum Thread

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#41

@Rey have you run any other title for that long that you’re able to compare your UWX run with?

I feel like at a certain point with the titles here, once you hit a plateau or at least for me, stop getting any kind of recon on it, it becomes a lot more about taking action to guide the sub since you’ve already internalized the script.

I’ve been running ASBR since release and earlier this year finally hit that internalization, which is why I decided to try out ZPQ with Omnidimensional to see what it could do next. After just two days of listening, the results kicked in and a lot of high-profile people started reaching out (on top of my dreams getting more vivid), so I know something’s hitting deeper. I just wish I had a baseline to compare it to since I haven’t run any other title for quite as long

#42

@jelly i can’t say. I think I view it differently
For me the longer I run a sub the more I could feel it working.
I’ve ran limitless for a 10 month run and it just keeps unfolding for me.
Second longest sub I ran was 2022 CWON and I didn’t feel no plateau either.
Maybe it’s conscious guidance I’m not too sure tho.

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#43

That’s interesting. For me it felt like going deeper and my mind going through and exploring the script. Then after like a year and a half it was just like “oh cool, more of this sub I like”.

@Malkuth do you have any notable experiences of a longer term run using different build strengths?

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#44

Hard to say, @jelly.

I used to theorize more about Build Strengths.

Now, I’ve sort of naturally shifted into more of a Data Gathering phase (in contrast to a ‘data interpretation’ phase).

That actually seems to characterize my current relationships to subliminals in general. (and life in general, if we’re getting down to it.)

If I were going to come up with one word right now to express my intuitive sense of the nature of Zero Point Quantum, it would be this:

TECTONIC

So that probably agrees with your own point of view, to some extent.

Just this past week, I experienced a Shift and Insights related to my Zero Point Quantum program.

The implications felt LARGE-SCALE, FAR-REACHING, and DEEP.

I had not anticipated such a development. And it was not announced with fanfares or fireworks. It was like breaking through some brush on the trail and suddenly seeing the vista of a Grand Canyon stretching before you.

‘So this is where we are traveling’

‘Whoa’

And then you get back to walking.

But everyone is going to have their own experiences.

The path I’m on seems to be about gradual, inexorable movement. Someone else’s may be Mercurial and Variegated.

I guess it just is what it is, right?

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#45

That’s a very long time. How long have you been working with the title, and what title is it?

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#46

Have you had a shift this big before running ZPQ?

I think it’s really cool how personal everyone’s path is to themselves, you describe yours as inorexable movement, I’d honestly have to ponder on mine to try to understand what it is.

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#47

ASBR, basically since release. I took a ~5 month washout about this time last year, but other than that it’s been a continuous run, with my cycling other titles in and out of my stack to complement more short term goals. Back in September I felt compelled to try it in a stronger build since I’d already spent so much time with it, so I got it name embedded with Omnidimensional as the additional module.

I’m not some incredibly famous person, but there are quite a few avenues that have opened up since I started the title, which is good considering I’ve been using it for a lot of aspects of my life, so it’s had a lot to act on. I honestly see myself running the title indefinitely at this point, as it was my second subliminal here and one I grew to like pretty fast. I feel like it also boosts the results of anything I’m stacking along with it.

I actually have an interesting story from a few weeks ago. Every now and then I’ll meditate with the sub and try to identify parts of the script or archetype that resonate at that moment and just explore or see what comes up. I tried doing that with the ZPQ build, and I had a dream that night about being a complete nuisance around a bunch of scientists working on something, with the dream ending with one of them telling me to focus on another task that didn’t quite require the same level of expertise, but still was necessary to complete what we were working on.

I took that to mean that on whatever level ZPQ works on, it’s something so deep that me trying to consciously understand it would slow down the process, so I should be concerning myself more with the things more accessible in my everyday life. I’m forgetting a few details right now, but if I were to go back in my journal to that night there was a ton of symbolism about the different levels of things that were being worked at.

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#48

That is such an awesome unfolding journey. Thank you for sharing a bit of it.

I like that dream. A nicely playful yet serious relationship between your Creative Unconscious and your Conscious minds.

Technically, yes. But not THIS particular shift.

I happen to have the exact same symbolic archetype in the Western Astrology and Chinese Astrology.

It’s this guy:

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My tendency is to look at the past 10 years as one long chapter.

It’s kind of like,

‘We’ll turn the page when we get there’.

We all have our archetypes.

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#49

Thanks for this testimony. I think you qualify for a long term one-sub user badge (if it would exist).
For me the longest was 9 months.
And besides some like @Viktor who uses subs consistently for a long time, I only know of few others like @Azriel that run their favorite sub, with breaks (I think) and in iterations with customs for such a long time.

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#50

Thanks, I feel as if the dream communication between my Unconscious and Conscious minds has been strong since the start, and it’s kind of fun being along for the ride.

Do you find that a lot of the growths and shifts in perspective you get kind have this same style?

In recent days I’ve been thinking about how interesting the results people get are, how even the way one is expressed can be seen as a reflection of themselves. At least in terms of the dreams I get, their frequency and vividness have definitely been influenced by the titles I’ve run, but even when I look back to when I was just starting, I still notice the same little ‘patterns’ showing up of what happens when I get certain dreams, how I react, etc. Not necessarily the biggest observation, but one that when I picked up on, it helped me put myself into perspective.

For example, and this has honestly been exacerbated by ZPQ, whenever I experience super vivid dreams related to my goals, it’s almost always followed by a personality “upgrade”. The only thing I have tracing it back was when I had one of my first ones a few months after starting Stark Black, I began almost psychoanalyzing myself in the dream to understand what it was that made him different from the version of me that existed in that moment. Not sure whether that kickstarted the pattern or that was just a strong enough embodiment for me to notice, but it’s nice seeing how the little details repeat and further compound on themselves. After I’d taken a class on recursion, it genuinely felt like I could understand the concepts on a universal level, like “all of these things really are just the same higher order function.”

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#51

How long have you been at subclub if you don’t mind me asking?

I feel as though forcing myself to stick with the same sub, even through whatever recon I got has helped me so much with my personal development. Like there may be another title or two on the store that would be a better fit or slightly closer to my original processing style (looking at you, Revelation of Dreams), but having a consistent lens of self-introspection and development feels as though I’ve been on the same path from the start.

When I first started listening, my goal was simply to get good results. Then those happened, then I wanted to be able to listen to the title without recon. Much longer journey, but then that happened eventually. Now, I feel as if the goal has simply shifted to just a personalized embodiment, that extends past just the immediate goals of the sub itself. The things I’ve been ignoring for a long time that the title may not necessarily touch on, those eventually get worked on too, it’s just another path to get there. I’m also a little biased and just have an enjoyment of the script in general by this point, which mentally can feel almost like a ‘second home’ at times. I feel like ZPQ is giving a deeper part of my mind the same experience that I had when I first started, a tool for that self-reflection and growth disguised as shiny manifestations. Granted, I’ve also been running Regeneration quite a bit, but my inner child feels much more present and accounted for in these past few months.

#52

Thanks for the shout-out.
I ran Emperor for 3 years solo and in custom iterations
True Sell solo and in actually the same custom for almost 3 years
and Stark Black for 1 year and Stark Black in custom for 1 year. I’m consistent with my main drivers.

They’re like my main girlfriends, and then I have rotating one-night stands or one-week stands with other subs. :grin:

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#53

Deepening the growth and creating momentum that works through our deeper inner obstacles and blockages by actually becoming something and not just having surface level growth is absolutely paramount. I realised this myself. Once you are beyond certain mental barriers you can get pretty good and fast results with any kind of programs but before we reach that state we have to stick to something because if we don’t stick to something, no matter what kind of subliminal, then we never breakthrough or beyond even the first layers of subconscious programming and limitations instilled into us from birth onwards. But once you even reach success with one program, great success, it suddenly changes your belief structure, you will become confident in other areas of life as well, your beliefs will change so radically and some belief structures will simply not be able to hold. Because new thoughts will arise. If you suddenly are capable of dating 9’s after girls never even speaking to you before that opens your mind to a lot of possibilities, now you strongly feel you can also do the same in wealth, social, etc

Just reach beyond certain barriers lifts many others limitations as well is what I am saying and for that we need to be diligentl and to keep going in one direction until the momentum breaks through some very resilient belief structures we harbour in our unconscious mind.

Just last two three weeks I made some internal shifts and now I am suddenly so many results that were not coming before in completely unrelated areas of life.

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#54

I started my journey with SC 2 years and 3 months ago. I the beginning I was doing a lot of sub hopping (still a couple of cycles for most titles). Only this year I started to use titles more long term.
But to be fair, I was at a very low point in life and a lot was falling apart. So I was always hopping subs to tend to the most important part that needed some fixing.
Right now, a lot clicked and I’m taking a more relaxed approach. Sometime with only one or two listening days a week.

Also, I realized early this year that I suffer from ADHD. A next summer I have my appointment for an official diagnosis and will get proper medication. There are a lot of testimonies in here confirming that a more balanced brain chemistry takes subs to a whole different level (or rather to a normal level). So I’m very excited for the coming year.

To give this post a ZPQ turn, I hope that I’ll be able to process subs then well enough (right now, I often need 3 months minimum to see results) to need a stronger power level like ZPQ.

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#55

Still successful sub hopping if you made it to this point, being able to successfully utilize a sub in the short term is an insanely useful skill too.

I get this too :laughing:, it’s like switching them out as needed for temporary boosts

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#56

I’m about to play my Wanted Black ZPQ as soon as the clock strikes 0000/12:00 A.M.

I’m on Wanted Black ZP, but I figure Wanted Black ZPQ + The Antirecon can be the booster at the 1/3 or halfway point of the cycle, to modulate recon.

Others are Emperor Black + DRG ST3 (switched from Spartan: BU). I’m building a Khan ST4-Emperor Black Custom this week.

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#57

Any early updates on this?

#58

I’ll have to get back to you with a new cycle. It behaves similar to the Major title, though the results are multiplied at the peak of the cycle Day 9. Though I noticed I don’t feel as relaxed as I do on WB Major as on ZPQ. ZPQ had a slight edginess that reminded me of Khan (must be recon). It wasn’t unbearable. I noticed almost immediately it shifted phone conversations and shifted the paradigm to “chase me.” I didn’t even say that much. It illuminated exactly what chasing is though. It can be very subtle.

I had x3 the amount of options as far as sex, though it shifted things to a strictly casual frame. At the same time, it will be difficult to tell as I was also running Emperor Black and DRG.

So my answer boils down to, it works very effective, but expect the feeling to be very different. Feels are different, the results are increased. @jelly

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#59

I’d also like to mention I think the layers of the conscious and unconscious mind open up a bit after running it for a little while. Some nights, I’ll have dreams where I’m directly told something about myself or how I felt in the past. This effect also bleeds into the rest of the stack.

A few months ago I had a dream where I was directly told “Just listen to 15 seconds of Limitless, I don’t care about the rest and it’s distracting.” It felt a little blunt at the time, but on my next listening day I tried it, and the entire night I had dreams about exactly what I was studying. I was more focused after as well, a lot more than when I had listened to longer loops.

I’ve had a few other experiences like that, but that’s the most obvious one that’s happened that really shows me how much these subs integrate together. It might be that I just viewed Limitless as a way to achieve one of ASBR’s goals in the short term, but it really does feel as if on some level, all input is integrated together and the unconscious mind doesn’t make as strong of a distinction between titles as we do consciously. It could also be why the anti-recon scripting seems to bleed into to the entire stack rather than staying localized to the title it’s in, in my experience at least.

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