Trying to experience reconciliation

I’ve been listening for SC subs for almost two months now and I’ve followed the recommended listening schedules. Yesterday I was reading through the STKS Masterclass and noticed that I haven’t experienced any recon so far or at least I haven’t identified anything as recon. Additionally, I read that people vary in how much input they need before they hit reconciliation and that experimentation is somewhat recommended. So I decided to listen more to hit reconciliation knowingly just to know my limits and how I experience reconciliation.

Yesterday was my rest day, but I listened for additional 30 mins. Today, 30 mins again. That’s three days of listening in a row, but so far I’ve felt nothing that could be identified as recon. Is this normal? And is this anyway a good way to experiment? Would it be better to listen more during one day and have rest days as normal?

Thanks for all answers in advance!

Can I ask why you want recon? Are you getting results even in the absence of it?

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Yes, I’ve had results. I guess I’m just curious about my limits and if I could increase subliminal input without excessive recon. Also it would be nice to know what recon feels like for myself.

I would continue the recommended listening schedule as you are at risk of overexposure which is not the same as recon.

Recon comes from reconciliation. Your subconscious is reconciliating the new messages with what the listener has in their internal “programming”. If they are too different, the recon is harder.

Overexposure or everload, on the other hand, is when you get too much in the processing queue, for example if you listen to too many loops. Perhaps you can get recon that way but it can cause stonewalling.

If you listen to a sub that wouldn’t be natural to you, or that you think it may be too difficult for you to achieve. For example, someone who wants to be celibate listening to Primal Nights, that would probably cause recon. Or someone who thinks they are a loser listening to Emperor.

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Yeah what @Venus said here.

This company has been working very hard to introduce no or very little recon into their titles. If you’ve been getting results without recon that’s actually the ideal scenario here. It means you’re operating at a level of growth that’s consistent, steady, and enjoyable. That’s guaranteed progress if you keep that trajectory.

That being said if you do want to experiment and try to maximize your input and results you probably run the risk of derailing that steady growth.

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Yeah, I guess I should be satisfied with what’s happening right now. I’m just a curious person, who would like to experience recon just to know what it feels like. And experimenting is kind of fun too.

I guess my current setup isn’t clashing too much with my personality, it’s sort of just improving things instead of changing them completely, so there’s very little recon. Might be I’ll get more with another setup later on.

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You’re definitely free to experiment. But more often than not I find experimenting doesn’t yield the results you think it will if it involves more exposure. But you’re right the title selection makes a huge difference. What are you running right now?

At the moment I’m running two customs with cores heartsong + divine diamond and paragon + limitless executive.

Another way to put my question is: If I overexposure, will I hit recon or start stonewalling first? First option is okay, I don’t mind if that’s not optimal. The second option is obviously something I’d like to avoid.

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It’s very different per person. But if you overexpose it’ll show up physically mostly. Fatigue, irritability, anxiety. For me I can feel sleep deprived. I’ve put utensils in my refrigerator, I’ve kicked stuff I should have been easily able to walk around, I double up on words when writing, substitute the wrong words, or even drop words completely.

During this overexposure you’ll get minimal benefits as your body tries to find equilibrium. My personal opinion but I can’t say for certain, your body might go into defense mode. Stops input or processing of the subs. All this to say you definitely don’t want to hit overexposure, it’s like taking a live wire to your nervous system and lighting it up.

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edit: I’ve got teh brain fogz today apparently haha.
In addition to what I’ve read here over the years, I’ve experienced 2 main kinds of recon myself.

One of them is physical symptoms… headache, physical discomfort (for me it involves clenching my jaw), brain fog, and worst of all… feeling exhausted but unable to sleep well… Through my own experimentation I’ve discovered this is functionally the same as an overtaxed brain (like with cramming for an exam all night) that depletes certain substances… acetylcholine and some minerals are my best guess, and can be remedied by taking a good choline source with some electrolytes… alpha-gpc is good, I use phosphatidylcholine as I can get it at my local whole foods and it works well enough for me, with a squirt of Mio Sport in a half liter of water.

The other one is more in line with what I’d consider recon… a sudden lack of motivation, a flood of “what am I doing??” thoughts, and in a couple of instances in the past (pre-ZP, though I’m not assigning any cause as I was also experiencing some considerable stress at the time) where I felt as though I’d stepped off a cliff into a bottomless well of despair. Thankfully that only lasted a few hours and didn’t seem to have any lasting effects… but I don’t think I’ve tried that particular combination since.

I guess a 3rd one would be feeling frustration that I’m not taking action on something when I want to… I can’t listen to anything related to business or productivity if I’m not able to go work on a project, I get antsy to the point of being irritable… same with exercise ones, if I’m stuck at my desk all day I can’t listen to EF, because I want to go do something, but I can’t lol.

I personally wouldn’t recommend seeking out recon in general, but I can understand wanting to see where your limits are. Best of luck!

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This is usually where I end up in terms of recon, but I haven’t been experiencing it lately since they’ve adjusted the scripting.

Physical symptoms are the most common, but when I first started Emperor I would just feel extremely hot all the time, and boiling rage.

@Venus this is well said, thank you.

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Well, now towards the evening I’m feeling a very slight headache, like someone is pressing the back of my skull. Might be that recon finally hitting me.

I think I’ll have a rest day tomorrow and then if the headache goes away, I’ll try a schedule of 2 days on, 1 day off.

Bravo @BLACKICE, I pride myself on knowing a fair amount on health, human optimization, and supplements. The depletion of acetylcholine was something I had to just do a deep dive on, and I think you are onto something. I am going to check out supplements around recovering or preventing brain exhaustion.

I appreciate you sharing this information on the forum.

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@Sampsa I found I was in your exact same shoes when I first started. Though my curiosity was driven by worrying I was the .01% that was a hardcore stonewaller. I started right away doing full 15-minute listening loops of each of my titles following the appropriate listening schedule. I was thinking for someone being new, not easing into things doing micro loops, for sure I would experience recon. I almost wanted to experience recon just to be assured the subs were working. I didn’t experience any recon and it had me worried. Though over time I started to get keener on the subtle forms of recon and I also started to see great results to which eased my worries of being a stonewaller.

I think new listeners coming to the forum need to understand that the advancement in sub tech has progressed immensely in the last year or so. When I first started reading about others experiencing all these types of “hard” physical and mental effects from over exposure or “Hard/Heavy” titles, I didn’t realize that most of these experiences were before Zero Point and the short 15 minute improvement. In the past people had to listen to titles all day and some even all night to get results. This was when you had to navigate finding the balance of the correct exposure time and test what is too much per person. Now, Subliminal Club (@Fire & @SaintSovereign) has done the hard research, accumulated the data, and basically cracked the code. They have found the perfect balance of exposure to rest ratio making newcomers experiences incredibly approachable and easy to follow with the listening schedule and short listening times.

I know it’s common for humans to want to “maximize” our experience, thinking that more exposure equals greater results. I was guilty of this in the beginning. I have read over and over from the founders and users that this is actually not the case. Some even experience better results with less exposure and micro loops. Remember there is a balancing act of getting micro recon that you don’t feel and then micro blooms that produce results. This actually gets you to where you want to get smoother and faster than inducing crazy recon that takes time to worth through to get to the blooming effect. Remember, life is a marathon, not a sprint.

I honestly feel grateful to come into subliminals and this company last year. It feels like this is the gold era of Subliminal Club. To be able to use such powerful subliminals, experiencing zero to almost zero recon, having to only listen for 15 minutes, and have absolutely mind-blowing results. Seems like an epic time to be here and be alive.

I guess to answer your question, if you are getting results and having zero recon, I would stick to the recommended listening schedule. Trust that the founders figured out the best schedule to follow. If you want to be curious and push the limits, go do it with taking maximum action toured your goals.

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Question: “How do I maximize my results and experience the most I can from this technology?”

Answer: Just replace the word Developers with Take Action.

Fewer loops, shortening listening time, extending rest periods between exposures, and taking more action are the golden keys of success.

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Thank you for the insight @IndrasNet , it is greatly appreciated! It is good to hear that others have entertained similar thoughts.

I’ve found subliminals fairly recently and I find them so intriguing. Not only because of their effects, but also because how they affect us and what that suggests about the makeup of human mind. Naturally I’m curious of the mechanisms of subliminals and I’d like to know how they work.

I think I got a fairly good grasp on how common free subliminals work, but now looking at SC subs I feel like a caveman who has figured out how a horsecart works, but now has no idea about the brand new sportscar. :sweat_smile:

So this testing I’m doing can be considered to be the same as the caveman poking the car with his club. Maximizing the results isn’t that important at this point for me.

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:musical_note:"Be careful what you wish for, 'cause you just might get it. And when you get it, then you might just not knoooow what to do with it." :notes:

-Eminem

In all of my time here, you are the first person I’ve seen that actually wanted to experience recon.

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It was really just a matter of noticing “hey, this feels a lot like that other thing… I wonder…” but I’m glad sharing that observation has been helpful for others. :slight_smile:

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So far easiest way to get recon is over exposing or not taking action. Not sure why anyone would willingly do it tho

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