Trying to experience reconciliation

Questions and Comments
#21

I can understand it. I did this multiple times. I just wanted to feel something intense so I knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the subliminal was working. In my dumb monkey brain, I was like: “If I can listen to these pretty noises long enough to cause something weird to happen, then I will have undeniable proof that subliminals work.”

It’s a silly thing to do, but I commend him for trying, just be careful dude, like, spending days with complete nervous system overload is not fun or very productive.

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#22

If that is the case, the for the absolute fastest results possible and imaginable without the need to build confidence or any experience would be Sanguine ZP for immediate feel good. Another instant effect one is Paragon Complete but you would need to heal something like an injury or a sickness. These are what comes to mind

#23

I was trying to get recon too.

Here was my line of thinking

You need to know what’s the worst that could happen in an controlled situation so that you can be better prepared when it hit you out of nowhere.

It’s like going through a gas chamber training in the military. The idea is to get you accustomed to the effect when you are in a safe space. You don’t want the first time you get exposed to the gas to be in the battlefield.

I tried it with DRLD, it wasn’t that bad.
I tried it again with WB, regretted it immediately.

The recon helped me learn a lot about myself, about how i would react to it, how to mitigate and deal with it. But that was way more than i prepared for.

I have a whole thread and journal documenting my experiments with recon. What i tried and what i found working.

After going through all of that, here are what i got:

  • Take it slow. Start from microloop and don’t shy away from rest days. Those will give you the best results.

  • Seek out clarity. do deep introspections and journaling. Other recon reducing techniques like drinking a lot of water, sunlight exposure, eating sweet food, working out etc only work temporarily.

  • Take action. It will give you more confirmations on top of NSE and other effects from the sub. Which will help your process of reconciliation.

In the end, i came to the same 3 advise that others have been repeating over and over again here. Take it slow, take action, and journal.

I think it’s not worth it to seek recon. Just let the subs take its course and if you get recon, do those 3 things.

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#24

I’ve done this too. But not even anything extreme. I just knew I couldn’t really tolerate 15 minutes. One day I was like yeah fuck it lets go all out I’m sick of all this.

what I expected: a breakthrough
What I got: a day of barely being able to leave my bed and also no tangible benefits lol.

It’s weird though on the day of that 15 minutes of exposure I felt an almost immediate state shift in me, but what followed the next day was pure internal chaos. There’s something about the subliminal settling that I’m still trying to figure out what part of my mind that hits.

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#25

Saint Sovereign mentioned before that the part of the brain that processes sound is what’s effected by subliminals

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#26

I’m legit laughing over here because I feel this so hard. :rofl:

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#27

Lol funny example, and educational too :slightly_smiling_face: :+1:

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#28

Yet who knows, they might be able to consciously guide it towards… something?

#29

Really intense solo sessions?

Or as a willpower trainer? People throw themselves at you and you say no to every last one of them.

#30

I want recon too. I don’t know if I get it. Sometimes I listen hours daily. At least twice daily, custom T². Because I’m not one to follow instructions. I started Holosync at 14 and skipped 6 levels, I listened daily in high school lunch breaks. I’m still an enthusiast all things binaural beats, subliminals (only using SubClub), energetic spell audio. It’s discouraged to combine SubClub w/ other technologies which, while strategically reasonable and perfectly fair, to me is unreasonable given my hobbies.

#31

That sounds… extreme. Are you sure you aren’t completely stonewalled because of that?

I’m curious too, but as I wrote before, I’m having a rest day right now just for safety.

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#32

It sounds extreme to us familiar users, but if I ask friends or family members to listen to a few loops of LBfH daily, they don’t notice recon either.

I don’t think I’m stonewalling, because there’s no difference to when I follow the instructions. I also think the meditative effect of certain meditation techniques with binaural beats might help integrate change, but don’t quote me on that. It’s used a lot to process trauma along with EMDR though.

It’s quite unexplored territory to overlisten and while stonewalling is possible, we don’t know, I guess, if it can be… overcome. And precede a huge transformation as a result.

I find it exciting regardless, as long as something happens in the mind whether that be good or bad and I can’t necessarily know.

#33

I think the SC staff here wrote that recon, while not nice, means that something is happening in your mind. Stonewalling on the other hand means the equivalent of covering your ears and ignoring the subliminal input.

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#34

This is not a good idea. They need to know the official recommended number of loops to start off with based on rigorous testing over here at Subliminal Club. Please do not encourage your friends, family or anyone else to do this.

If you are personally undertaking any experiments, you know the risks of doing so but others don’t.

Experimentation is okay. But it isn’t done to achieve reconciliation but for results.

I now wonder whether this desire to achieve reconciliation is itself a form of reconciliation. It reminds me of people cutting themselves in order to feel something.

I would strongly encourage against such practices. If you don’t feel reconciliation when running a full 15 minute loop every alternate day AND you get results, thank your stars and continue with the official recommendation. There is no need to take unnecessary risks.

Not only are you putting yourself at risk but others who read the forum will take it upon themselves to do the same thing thinking it is okay to do so. And as much we can’t control what others do and they should take responsibility for their own actions, a little bit of common sense and understanding needs to be applied when it comes to these things.

Again, please don’t run more than the official recommendations. Do it proper and enjoy the results.

Cheers!

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#35

who said they don’t? They’re likewise experiment minded :slight_smile:

#36

No offense but I find it to be a bit ironic that it’s claimed experimentation is okay but then getting argued against that it’s encouraging risky behavior when nobody’s said others should do it and risk is well known

#37

This might be true, who knows? But I think my motivation is to know my limit and then try to avoid crossing it in the future.

I try not to encourage anyone to do the same. It’s my personal choice and people here persuaded me to go a bit easier with listening anyway.

Lastly, I’ve liked this discussion and I’ve already learned a lot from different people here. That’s worth something to me too. Thank you again!

#38

In a similar vein. I absolutely have in the past over listened as a way to put myself into overexposure so I stop processing things. Highly illogical, but it got the job done to avoid change. So this is a good point of consideration. Recon has been super crafty the deeper these subs can go.

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#39

Nothing ironic here.

Are you an experienced user who gets great results?

Go ahead and experiment, just make sure you do so slowly, carefully and that you state so if you share it publicly. All good.

Are you a newer user and/or encouraging people who have never before used our subliminals to overexpose?

Do. Not. Do. That.

Do not recommend people new to our subliminals to run multiple loops under the pretense of experimentation and that “they know the official recommendations and are experiment-minded”.

As the producer of these programs, this is the height of carelessness and immorality.

It’s one thing to skirt recommendations for yourself. Don’t fuck up other people in the process.

Guys, this is exactly why we don’t release certain products.

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#40

What’s the point of running more loops if it doesn’t improve your results and you risk getting hit by recon or overload?

It’s not like running more loops will yield more results than taking more action towards realizing your authentic, immediate and actionable intents on a daily basis in order to develop yourself and achieve your long-term goals.

Subs are tools and it’s up to us what we want to work on and how, using them. The work is much more essential than any subliminal input, apart from healing titles, though taking action on them is required as well.

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