The Thread of Experience

[Fractal_Explorer]

Carrying on with the blessings of Rv

PLEASE READ: Fire vs. Saint Round 3 [The Battle is ON]

By the power invested in me, I give you my blessing to start such a thread. May it now be recognized as sanctioned and official. If someone questions you about doing this, link to this post. Go forth, and incept. Rest assured in this. I’ve been accused of over-moderation. Remember that if I miss something, you have the power to flag.

This is a thread to share how you integrate and process changes not just with subliminals but in the realm of self growth. The goal here is authentic self expression and understanding, there is no right answer. Ideally perspectives and personal insights are shared to broaden understanding or shift perspectives in the most unobtrusive way possible. Discussion is encouraged, however please follow the rules laid out here to better facilitate interactions

1. Speak from the “I” perspective. Avoid generalizations, assumptions, or talk in third party perspective.

2. Your perspectives will clash with someone. I kindly ask that you take a step back and remember this is about the other person as well. This is as neutral of a thread as possible, outside of it you’re free to debate. But within here please refrain from doing so.

3. As an additional point to #2 if you do find something elicits an emotional response and you would like to share, please do so. Acts of vulnerability can be difficult, but they can also be a powerful way to uncover hidden things.

4. No unsolicited advice. If someone specifically asks for input, feel free to give it to them. However maintain rule #1 and only speak from your personal experiences so the other individual can reflect without feeling like their belief system is being criticized.

5. Discussions on philosophy, teachings, shared perspectives are allowed however do your best to not frame these things as positions of authority. It’s important nobody feels pressured to adhere to a certain way of thinking just because it’s common or written about extensively. This loops back to rule #1, always tie it into your personal experience, not the experience of others.

6. Be mindful of what you say. You don’t have to censor yourself but understand people have all different experiences, perspectives, and beliefs. What seems obvious to you might not be obvious to others or what seems easy to you might not be easy for others.

7. If someone advises you that you’re in violation of these rules, please reflect on that and reassess how you are posting. Do not take it as a personal attack.

This thread is 100% voluntary. If these rules seem dumb, limiting, constricting you’re free to not engage. But please don’t enter this thread and post if you have no intention of adhering to these rules. This is a highly structured environment/thought experiment to help facilitate mutual growth and possibly uncover additional ideas for the continued development of these subs.

[Malkuth]

I support this idea and initiative, and nice job on the rules and tone-setting.

I care a lot about this area, but it tends to be something that I do, more than discuss.

Balancing of the internal and external environments. The self-aspect and the other-aspect. All while continuing to grow and develop.

[Fractal_Explorer]

It’s taken me a few years to understand my inner world and be able to work with it on a level that actually invites progress. It can be hard to conceptualize it. It can feel like I’m constantly doing something “wrong” when more typical strategies don’t work. It’s because those typical strategies have failed in my life that I’ve developed such a high level awareness of what’s going on in there. Ideally my goal is to get to a place of unconscious competence that works for me, but right now that’s not a thing.

For me I’ve identified parts within myself that act in ways to either keep things balanced or survival needs. One of these parts has been prevalent with my attempts at “healing”. Healing in quotes because it was never about acceptance, it was a desire to rid myself of other emotions that have been labeled bad. This mythical fantasy of some state where I’ve moved past things that would make me more vulnerable. This strong desire to be almost superhuman and unable to be hurt. This part ironically prevents the acceptance necessary to get to that mindset of being ok with all emotions and continues the cycle of fearing the very thing that already exists.

Aside from healing, this part can also influence me to run subs that are idealistic in their goals, but not what I truly need. Or run something that serves as more of an escape into fantasy, than a real world actionable thing. It can get tricky identifying the line between limiting beliefs vs chasing something that really wouldn’t provide happiness or fulfillment.

i have a lot of other different parts, but in terms of self growth that one is definitely the one that stands out the most. When it comes to the subs I find that’s why microloops are so important for me. One part might be ready for the whole script, but another isn’t. If I overdo it and start taking action when there is internal disagreement, the action can still happen, but it’s like stretching a rubberband. After the action is over I can snap back and end up in a worse state because I’ve upset another part of me. This can take the effect of intense lethargy, difficulty focusing, drugs, or heavy dissociation. Most of the time not being able to control the outcome because it feels like an internal fight.

This is basically my system or framework that the subliminals run through. When ZP came out I noticed there was much more collaboration inside me. Not an external thing imposed on the system. Which is never taken kindly to. Change is inevitable in life, but I’ve found for me there has to be agreement among all parts before changes are internalized. This can present a lot of difficulties because each part holds different beliefs and emotionally conditioned reactions to things that were based on moments in time throughout my life.

This is the difference between updating the system vs working within it. Updating it implies the framework now works at an unconscious level. When life happens or any outside stimulus, the automatic behaviors guarantee the desired outcome. When its working within it, that means I have to provide conscious intervention internally to make sure there’s no reactive patterns interfering with the overall goal. There might be one part moving towards the wanted path and another part pulling in a different direction.

This is different than conscious intervention or action. It’s not so much planning on what to do in the external, but maintaining the reactions internally to stay the path. It’s been insanely exhausting in my life. It was more exhausting when I held onto this idea that these other parts were just elaborate imaginations and maybe they are, but ignoring them caused a lot of behavior I couldn’t shift no matter what I did.

The conscious and subconscious model never did much for me because it was too simplistic to explain the very odd reactions I’ve had in my life. I needed to break it down even further to make sense of it. However I found people in my life would often accuse me of overcomplicating things. I think given everything I’ve learned, I just have a complicated mind and I witness it and report on it. Maybe others don’t have that.

[Malkuth]

I suspect that different people may need to approach the ‘Conscious/Subconscious’ framework in different ways, due to how permeable their internal borders are.

For some people, the demarcation is very bold and clear, and so the traditional image of Conscious and Sub or Unconscious makes a lot of sense for them.

For others, the world of dreams, of liminal spaces, of twilight realms is a common hangout space. This is a world that is between the two realms of conscious and subconscious, with elements of both. I think it is not uncommon for ‘artists’ to be in that space somewhat.

I prefer thinking of it in terms of altitude and depth. There are parts of my mind that are deeper and more inaccessible than other parts. That’s good enough for me.

I think that all minds are complicated. But in line with the above points, some people connect with, indulge in, and express that complicatedness less and others do it more. This is similar to how biologists don’t have more complex bodies than anyone else, they just have more complex concepts about bodies.

In the short-term, conceptual complexity can be a burden. It takes longer to learn to fly a helicopter than it does to learn how to ride a simple scooter. In the long-term, however, if we can survive that damned learning curve and emerge from the other side, it will be with greater resources and more numerous options.

I’d say it’s worth it.

[Malkuth]

But I think we’ve now left the originally intended bounds of this thread.

So, let me get back to grounded sharing.

I am definitely feeling the flow of change in my being and world these days.

This morning someone spoke to me angrily, and I observed the physicality of mind. I felt the hot plasma-darts of the person’s expression slam into my solar plexus. And I realized that I don’t always have so much perspective or capacity for connecting with that.

It hit me crystal-clear that the person did not feel how their behavior, their world, was impacting me and being experienced by my world.

And I saw that the converse was true as well. I am running blind in other people’s worlds. I try to work with it, but my limitations are what they are. But I’m noticing real growth happening.

Subliminals-supported growth is one element in my developmental process.

I’m working with it.

It amazes me to contemplate the factors tha tinfluence how we grow, when we shut down, how we get overwhelmed, how we process and integrate.

yup.

It’s all happening.

[Skadoosh]

@Fractal_Explorer

This is a thread to share how you integrate and process changes not just with subliminals but in the realm of self growth.

This is how I do it every single time, step-by-step:

1. I run a subliminal, like WANTED for example. I run it because the product description resonates with me, and I think the subliminal will help improve the quality of my romantic life.

2. I begin to process the subliminal script and experience reconciliation, while also taking action that I feel inspired to take.

3. I engage in what I call “doing the work”, which is facing and moving through all of the feelings, limiting beliefs, fears, etc that come up.

4. I just keep going, and I eventually get the results that I desired.