The nature of growth within our psychosomatic system

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#53

It is likely because of the difference in trauma load, which is the sum of lifetime trauma and generational trauma. Usually it’s like 10%% of lifetime trauma for people without history of serious traumatic events and 90% of generational ones

I think everyone here with high processing queue, who is able to get fast results with low recon are people with low-to-none overall trauma load. They are also naturally joyful, energetic, happy, etc.

Individuals with low trauma load are able to feel subtle energy moving, while the ones with higher loads will have the somatic responses: stretches, dancing, crying, etc.

Individuals with mid-to-high trauma load would notice those stretches, desires to dance, exercise, etc.

And then there are individuals with very high trauma load like myself (even though I don’t have any lifetime traumas, my parents, grandparents and great grandparents all lived through very serious traumatic events such as war). I’d not feel recon consciously, wouldn’t have any sensitivity to know what subs are working on, and my results were usually subpar. And none of the “usual” techniques worked for me, such as meditation, semen retention, exercise would leave me exhausted (not energized like most people) and I’d hit plateau in strength and muscle growth extremely fast, no matter the diet/sleep/training program. There are many more things

Now after more than a year of doing TRE, I’m slowly moving from my normal “symptoms” of “very high traumatic load” to the symptoms of mid traumatic load, and even sometimes to the “symptoms” of lower trauma load (feeling subtle energy, etc.)

So yes, I believe this difference is because of different trauma load.

Just my experience confirms it. Would be interesting to look at other folks here but generally, I believe everyone should be doing TRE lol

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#54

I’m making extremely fast progress with Earth + TRE. I’ve been doing it for only about a week, but the changes in my calmness and energy levels are insane. Today, I noticed that I’m regaining a greater ability to feel my bodily sensations and emotions. It’s also much easier to enter deeper relaxation states when doing my Focus 10 tape #2.

Interestingly, while doing tape #2 two hours ago, I experienced a couple of involuntary twitches in my body.

The only real trauma left to resolve, from what I can see, is when people laugh behind my back — I lose the sense of comfort in my body for a few seconds, fighting the sensation by telling myself it has nothing to do with me. I’ve made significant progress in that regard, however.

My initial trauma load (ten years ago) was intense. Because of prolonged childhood abuse, I suffered from derealization, depersonalization, depression, and what was likely neurological anxiety well into my late teens.

On top of that, the generational trauma passed to me through my father was that of being an ‘unwanted child’ — his mother wanted to abort him, and when he was born (at his father’s wish) she was cold toward him throughout his entire childhood.

Moreover, when I was 20 (I’m 42 now), my little brother stabbed himself to death. I couldn’t shake it off until about two years ago.

Most of it (I think around 90%) has been resolved. However, my nervous system and somatic trauma response were extremely resistant to healing. The somatic trauma response fixed within the last three weeks, mainly thanks to Earth and TRE. I’m healing my nervous system with Earth + TRE + walnuts.

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#55

There’s usually a bathtub progression, in which the progress is fast at the beginning, then its speed drops considerably in the middle of the journey, and then it slowly increases again right until you are free from all trauma

Unless you used neurogenic tremors mechanisms specifically, I’d say it would still take you at least 4-8 years of TRE to resolve all traumas, not just to learn to live with them

Trauma is basically any situation in which you had “freeze” reaction and didn’t tremor afterwards. While it’s possible that this event is a traumatic one, it’s extremely likely there’s a ton of other events about which you, nor your parents/grandparents might not even be aware of. And generational trauma goes up to 4 generations, as far as I remember.

I haven’t really found any exact ways to gauge how much trauma load you have except for just trying out different things like SR, exercise, meditation, etc. and seeing if you are able to make fast progress, and if you are even able to make progress at all

And even then, it’s just a rough estimation like “I have a high trauma load”. In many cases it’s also wrong too, because some people think that because they had a lot of trauma during their life time, their traumatic load is high, which is not always the case. Generational trauma takes up more “space”

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#56

What do you mean by that? I though that TRE I do uses those mechanisms.

I can tell, since my ancestors were highlanders — strong, stubborn but kindhearted people who lived peaceful lives. I can feel their spirit in my very marrow, so to speak.

#57

I will not go deep into this but for your own sake and the sake of innocent minded people reading your previous posts I highly recommend that you stay away from numbers when it comes to describing amount of traumas, types of traumas and timeline of healing traumas.

Everyone is highly unique and there is more layers to a person than ‘trauma’ and more ‘types’ of limitations than just current life trauma and generational trauma.

Healing is not a linear event that can be gaged within time-frames.

I’m not here to argue what you believe in, but simply add a perspective.

It’s your choice to believe what you’ve heard and put a definite limit on things you don’t actually know for sure.

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#58

How has Earth helped with your somatic issues, if I may ask?

#59

I mean if you used them before TRE. If you worked through your traumas and had neurogenic tremors, then they can be considered resolved. If not, it’s likely you just learnt to live with them, rather than freeing yourself from them

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#60

I only gave one number - 4-8 years. It’s the average time it takes to complete TRE journey

And it’s not my idea either - it’s from Dr. Eric Robbins, and it was included in David Berceli’s book “Shake it Off Naturally”. And David Berceli created TRE

Of course there are more traumas, it’s just one differentiation. I never said it’s the only one differentiation

It is a non linear event, which will eventually come to a finish (=clearing all traumas), and it was observed that on average, it takes 4-8 years of TRE to heal all traumas. And so far I have not seen any other modality except TRE that claims to heal all trauma. So yes, the time frame is not applicable to those modalities because they don’t promise an end to it. But it is applicable to TRE

I never put any definite limits here. I said that it’s been observed that it takes 4-8 years on average. It doesn’t mean that it will take everyone 4-8 years of consistent practice.

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#61

I was also referring to this one here and all the subsequent explanations about ‘low and high load trauma’.

On this website people also use subliminals which have a strong impact on ‘traumas’ and ‘healing speed’ so these numbers are irrelevant at best.

#62

I’d say these are the most helpful passages for explaining what is going on.

I’d say I can see that kind of theme throughout a lot of my research on the way to developing solid experience with the subtle bodies etc and methods of direct knowledge on my Black journal (as well as some insights I’ve been having that I haven’t posted about)

Interestingly, as someone who’s been quite cerebral in the past, a lot of my work has been on clarifying problems with incorrect connections between ideas or adjusting definitions to make them more accurate (although the somatic and other levels get involved as well ultimately). I’ve also been seeing where my experiential knowledge or skill needs to be improved where there is also good mental or observational understanding but a need to train or look more deeply. Just adding this as an example of how my anti-recon process has been different from the ideas discussed here (the core concepts of which I’m already familiar with)

#63

If you consider those numbers irrelevant, I have nothing to say. They are obvious, there’s nothing to explain here

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#64

It’s all good, there’s indeed no need for explanation.

I am simply safeguarding innocent bystanders from swallowing random numbers as an ‘obvious’ fact.

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#65

Is there anything to do beyond TRE once the tremors have been resolved?

Shadow work or energy work, perhaps?

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#66

From what I’ve researched, for trauma work, TRE seems to be the final answer

After TRE, you can explore spirituality, everything will work better - meditation, pranayama, etc. - because you won’t have any blockages

There’s a guy on reddit who says that meditation, pranayama, semen retention and stuff like that didn’t work on him at all before TRE. And after 6 years of TRE, once he cleared all traumas, it started to work, and he had exceptionally fast progress in all of them

I don’t know if that’s the correct theory but so far, with my experience, I’m inclined to believe it.

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#67

Could you share that subreddit with me, please? I’m looking for a place to exchange similar ideas. Thanks.

Feel free to PM me.

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#68

https://www.reddit.com/r/longtermTRE/

The username of this guy is u/Nadayogi

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#69

Here is a measure that can help you gauge your trauma burden:

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However, I just want to remind everyone that we’re talking about our growth here, not healing—although they often go hand in hand. Moreover, both appear to be based on the same process, called pendulation.

Just to remind everyone of the simplest definition of pendulation: Pendulation is about gradually becoming comfortable with the uncomfortable.

It’s about gradually becoming more capable of converting the energy generated in our system in response to certain stimuli into drive energy, since if our system can’t handle and manage that energy, it becomes stress energy—usually causing contraction, often of an inner-physical nature.

That ability to handle and manage the energy generated (and already stored) in our system can be fostered mainly by strengthening the whole system—both its psychic and somatic “layers,” which interweave.

However, targeting the somatic “layer” has brought benefits not only for treating trauma (TRE) but also for managing what we call physical recon (@RagnarLothbrok and I are the examples of that). This makes sense, since stress energy often gets trapped in the body and is activated when triggering stimuli occur. This can spark anxiety, anger, or temporarily shut the system down—manifesting as the well-known fight, flight, or freeze responses.

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#70

KHAN Black is amazing for this.
Especially Stages 1 and 2.

Stage 1 clears the meridians → better energy flow → less energetic knots → increased ability to handle the energy

Stage 2 “widens” the meridians → more energy can flow through → increased ability to handle the energy

Better energy flow → overall easier emotional and energetic release → shorter recon periods?

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#71

I’m planning to run both with Earth once I’m done with QL4 (in May, I believe). I’ll be running them as preparation for stages 3 and 4 + Water.

Well, I don’t really know what recon is anymore, as I’m done with it, so to speak—unless we consider it to be my system simply ignoring certain elements of the scripting. I see any further discussions on recon as futile, unless someone wants to talk about the old tech—which, honestly, I don’t think is worth my time.

My main focus is accelerated growth and overcoming everything that limits it, and recon is a relic of the past to me. What I’m experiencing now resembles pendulation more than anything else I know, and I’m certain it is pendulation—understood as a psychosomatic process governing our system’s growth.

Having said that, I see certain obstacles to it which I need to gain a clearer insight into before I post anything here. Moreover, for now the main obstacle, if I may say so, would be something I just mentioned: my system simply ignoring certain elements of the scripting.

On the other hand, I don’t think that ignoring certain elements of the scripting holds any real significance for my growth (perhaps only for ZP tech development). The ability I mentioned — the capacity to handle and manage the energy generated and already stored in our system — has developed significantly in me recently, allowing me to move beyond the scripting objectives and access potentialities that were unlocked indirectly, as a result of the “links fired" by the scripting, which have made the “beyond” my new reality.

Given my current experiences, observations, and insights, the nature of growth appears exactly as described below (and in my new avatar).
chaos.star

Growth is not consistent or linear; it expands in all directions, mostly in unpredictable ways, since we’re not fully aware of our true potential. It flows from our Zero Point — destruction and creation emerging from the Unknown, the only real duality.

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#72

I know what focus tape they were talking about, these aren’t subliminals though they direct the listener toward entering total relaxation and toward deep meditation with a slight spiritual focus (going to our center of being, asking for help from outer forces).

Well, at least I don’t believe there is any subliminal message in it as it’s a clear audio recording of a person speaking, along with some tones throughout.

Especially since the producer don’t talk about subliminals, only relaxation and meditation.
Though running them can feel a bit like they’re guiding us on how to consciously do self-hypnosis for the deep relaxation part.
I haven’t used them since starting subs, but I will keep in mind to keep not using it.

From what I understand, any form of hypnosis may interfere with subliminals or participate in overwhelming the subconscious as they also influe on it, and as such it is advised to not run/perform any?