The more you don't care, the more she loves you - are love and relationships really this sad?

This is sad, but with my experiences and interactions with women I’ve been reaching most of conclusions in the following video:

Unfortunately this goes against everything I thought about love, and against everything I thought love should be about.

For me love should be something fulfilling, authentic, vulnerable, where you show your feelings, that you are in love, and where needs are fulfilled, all of that from both sides.

But by my experience, as soon as you might start forming any kind of real connection through vulnerability or being nice, that is seen as weakness.
Being hyped, showing passion for things and hobbies or having sense of humor is seen as “being crazy”, so women don’t want to be around guys who don’t behave.

Weakness equals friend zone or women might even laugh at you.
Being crazy in the long term makes people start disrespecting you.

This is sad, because then if I cannot show vulnerability, nor be nice, nor show my feelings nor act passionate and crazy, then I’m being completely inauthentic.

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Another conclusion I’ve reached in the last days:

My heart also lies to me.

That’s why I started being careful about advice I see on YouTube like “You have to be brave to follow your heart!”. I’ve been burned by following my heart quite a few times and it never ended well for me so far.

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All you need to be a man is in you. It has been in you since you were a little boy. Truth of the matter is that the media lied to you and continues to do so.

Get another woman, because that sounds like a damaged, immature and low quality woman. Everyone likes someone with a sense of humor, so i don’t know what brought you to that conclusion What does behave mean exactly? Is it a cultural thing?

What do you mean by weakness here? If you think that having passion and a sense of humor is crazy, I honestly have no idea what to say man, other than be certifiably insanely lunatically crazy like the night of a super full Moon.


What a woman wants, and so does a man, change depending on their age and maturity levels. Nevertheless, most women wouldn’t want to be with a weak guy, it signals incompetence and danger to the potential future offspring, some evolutionary programs we have all developed. Take it from the perspective of a woman, being a weak guy would remind her on some level of a little boy that needs his mother figure. That’s not a fair position to put her in anyway or put yourself in.

Perhaps those are not truly your heart’s desires, and were some of the noise picked up along the way?

Always be authentic and true to yourself. I suggest to stay away from all the self proclaimed youtube gurus and all the ideologies and thinking. All you need is in you, always has been and always will be.

If you want to laugh then laugh because you want to, if you want to be crazy, I wholeheartedly encourage it. Don’t seek outside validation, that’s why one is desired more when they don’t care.

Being able to love is a gift and a power; don’t let some self absorbed lower minds get to you.

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I meant the above.

Even though I agree with everything you said, the truth is that if I start acting crazy, confident, and not being afraid of saying what I think I start being the one “out of the box” and I start being envied and excluded by the groups, and being excluded signals to most women that I won’t have the help and protection from the tribe when things get tough for me, so basically that leads me to being rejected by most women.

By my experiences this has led me to have to leave the groups because I didn’t fit in the box. And because it didn’t work out for me, now I just have to fit in the box.

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Those weren’t your people.

Your people will love you for who you are.

And the right women will love you for who you are as well.

Don’t play society’s games if they go against your authentic, loving natural self.

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The thing is, you make it super simple but why the hell are you excluded? You might be acting like a clown. You might be too outspoken to a point of being annoying. You might be just kind of a headache to be around. It can be sooooo many things. I wouldn’t throw this off as just “I’m too confident for them”. Confidence isn’t a problem in fact confidence can be very attractive and magnetic quality. Look DEEPER.

A person who is unable to make friends and keep them has something going on that is continually making them unable to do so. There is possibly some quality or tendency in you that is crippling you and it’s up to you to find it and fix it. If one group rejects you, fine. If two reject you, note that. Three and more is just outright a slap on your wrist screaming at you that it’s NOT the world being bad or whatever. It’s literally just you being ignorant of something.

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Agree with you.

The thing is that in those aspects I didn’t change too much and before I had lot of friends in this way.

I think it’s just the culture since I changed countries, so I have to adapt to where I live currently. People here are sad, that’s the sad reality.

Bullshit

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Whatever…

Anyway I’m adapting to what works currently.

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These videos infuriate me. They prey on people who are feeling desperate.

If you want the relationship you are talking about run Primal Romance and take action. Take risks, get burned, wake up and do it again until you find the right one. These uninformed individuals to put it nicely would rather blame someone else than take introspection of themselves and do the hard work of getting what they authentically want.

Rant over.

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Videos like that are a good starting point. Someone who is hurt will will not resonate with ” higher levels of connection and authenticity ”… the sad reality is many people, especially young, would be more affectionate and far more caring and loving for someone who has the ability to walk out without a second thought…

That was my experiance as well for most relationships. The longer it took for me to fold, the longer it lasted. @Pyro saying such videos infuriate you is a sign of you doubting your beliefs almost as if you dont want what is being said to be true…

Are you equally infuriated by the lonley men bring preyd on and used by online models for their money? Or maybe about litterarly every other grifter online?
Are you infuriated about the vast majority of naive men who waste their time and recourses in the false hope of getting physical affection?

@SuperSaiyan you are not wrong to feel despair about this reality. Its true and real. It doesnt take an alpha male ultra red pill guy on youtube to show you what we see and experiance…
But there is a valuable lesson in this.

The more you dont care, the more she wants you. What you are doing is removing the care you want to give someone instead of caring about yourself or something else all toghether.

As a men, we dont have the luxury to fall head over heels in every relationship. Thats just the practical reality. It does not mean to become celibat until you find the perfect one as most people would answor ” It just means she not right for you ” and thats about 99% of the population.

In the meantime instead of intentionslly detaching in order to protect yourself. Find another outlet for that passion be it in your self or your passions. Congratulations on taking off the pink colored glasses. Dont be bitter about it. Accept it, and with superior wisdom you will be able to better navagate the world.

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in my opinion, red pill is just people intellectualizing their trauma and selling it to people with similar trauma.

What love really is ^

The new belief that is installed by trauma (aka “experience”) and heartbreak.

The goal is to love with an open heart, knowing it’ll hurt sometimes.

If someone loves an inauthentic version of yourself, they might try to give you love, but you’ll never RECEIVE love, because it’s not YOU (your authentic self) that they’re loving.

I just ended a 5 year relationship, an engagement, because I wasn’t able to be fully authentically myself with her. Nothing is more important that authenticity in love, otherwise it’s not love.

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I am confused by what you are stating here. I am infuriated by victim mindset.

It is unintelligent simplicity that distance, chaos, turmoil, and fear of loss = Love

That equals an unhealthy manipulative relationship.

Do you see anything remotely close to this in any of subliminal clubs products which have redefined people’s lives.

What they are full of is emotional intelligence, connection, and confidence.

Those traits are earned through taking action, failing, failing again, and again, and again until you succeed.

There’s no system or quick fix to earn those traits.

Just read the Primal Romance copy. That’s the closest thing you will find a guide to authentic love and even saying that is a little too simplistic when describing that feeling and connection.

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@SuperSaiyan Bro, stop watching these blue pillers acting as red pillers.
That guy mostly tells the same old PUA bullshit to make money with his YouTube channel. Nothing wrong with making money, but don’t be the guy who consumes his limiting beliefs.

Instead, check out the forum posts about congruence written by @Skadoosh here on this forum. Once you understand the concept of being congruent on all levels, none of that PUA and pseudo dating advice will matter anymore :v:

Casey Zander is a chatterbox whose whole narratives are based on not understanding congruence. What he does in his videos is simply passing on his own limited perception filters and lack of knowledge to his listeners. Do not expose yourself to this.

In fact, you don’t need to consume any of that bullshit PUA stuff or dating content at all. The automated seduction coaching scripting in KHAN, PS, SSX and other romance titles will automatically teach you and incorporate over time all that you need to know about dating and successful seduction. Spotting women’s red and green flags, passing “shit tests” etc.

These days, I only allow my subconscious mind to teach me and completely ignore all these “dating opinions” that out there.

All that pain that has been triggered through past experiences with women, you need to reconcile and heal with Love Bomb and AoH. These past experiences need to be healed and reconciled, not be used to create assumptions about the world.

Do not create rules about how life (and women) works based on your own personal unprocessed trauma!

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Lol damn well said.

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Idk whats the scene now but a decade ago it was about exposing hidden psychology and behaviour patterns behind the front facades women put up.
Most people act in predictable patterns.
It was useful and important to be aware of and understand the psychological landscape to avoid making mistakes.

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Ugh…

Even the thumbnail of that video just screams insincerity. “Drama she craves” – wtf is that even supposed to mean? Way to stereotype and compartmentalize 50% of the species! With an image of a woman who doesn’t even represent the majority of appearances, heavily slathered in makeup wearing an expensive turtleneck doing a hand gesture while smiling mysteriously. Give me a break!

As you know; I work on embodying the four principles: integrity, authenticity, responsibility, and enriching. None of these can be embodied from a space of incompletion. You’re either on the bus or not on the bus. You can’t be 50% on, 30% off, 20% maybe but only on Sundays.

As I was saying last night in my post, being in a state of completion or fullness, or bringing yourself to that state, requires you to listen to yourself. You can’t listen to others and catch them in an untruth, or hear their authentic position, unless you know about the ways you lie to yourself. In fact, you can’t be fully present to listen if different parts of your belief system are at odds with one another.

Let’s analyse your words here. You are equating “vulnerability” and “being nice” with weakness. You could equally choose to use the words “open” or “honest” or “candid” rather than the more emotionally charged vulnerable, which is indeed in the English language associated with a weakness. Your words define your cognitions. Then there’s “being nice”, a different word is “generosity” or “benevolence”. Neither honesty/being candid, nor generosity, are signs of weakness. Change your words and change your perception of yourself from a position of a vulnerable, nice guy to a generous, candid person, and you’ll be surprised what a difference it makes.

Now, the next assumptive statement is “Weakness equals friend zone or women might even laugh at you.”

A good place to start here might be: what event did you experience in the past where a man or a woman laughed at you when you felt weak or at the mercy of others? What is the core event that caused you to have that false belief which generalizes positive qualities as weaknesses and cause others to take advantage of you? Go back and relive that experience, several times, remove the charge from it, so that you can discard it and be done with it.

Finally, why are you equating showing vulnerability with being authentic? Do you have to appear vulnerable to someone to be your authentic self? Do you have some kind of belief that says telling a woman “man I find you are smokin’ today!” is making yourself vulnerable? Or is this a different type of vulnerability. Really listen to yourself and your self talk. Usually the big red flags are right there.

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It’s simple guys.

Not all women are the same. That’s a lie of the red pill.
There’s so many factors, childhood, ex’s, trauma, media, social media.

What ou consume defines you.

If your girl watches tradwife TikTok or feminist TikTok makes all the difference.

Same for you.

What you believe women are is exactly what kind of women you attract.

If you think they’re all unpleasant then you will attract that. Or screen only for that and miss the nice shy girl sitting in the background.

So stop with these gurus and instead look for what you want. You can have it all. But it’s in your find and what you focus on.

Also this:
https://x.com/StubYourToeM8/status/1870042546820301242

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Well said Emperor_obewan.

To make an analogy, words are like parts of a code which create the program. If the program is buggy, not working as intended, then the code is wrong and should be changed.

SuperSayan please be aware that as Spartan said differently before, if you are getting always the same result then probably the problem isn’t the universe/woman but you who are doing the same thing to get that result consciously or not.

Finally, I have personally been to 4 different continent and spend years of living in each and not once have I had issue with a woman’s culture. As long as you are truly working on being the best human being that you can be, you will naturally rally people towards you regardless of gender, age, etc.

For the sake of the thread objective, it will naturally lead to woman leaning towards you.

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Its not you who is twisted inside.

Enjoy that you have these feelings, some poor people are just empty inside and can not value good intentions/emotions

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