Maybe Spartan will help support you in clean bulking? Have you tried it since starting ZP?
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I would say you better wait for EF stage 3 ZP then.
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clean bulking right now is going to be hard for me as it would cost me way too much, as im not financially independent (yet).
it will probably be way too easy when I start working, but dirty biking is just easier, cheaper and tastier.
also my diet isn’t JUST junk food, it follows a 60/40 plan with 60% junk only, the rest is clean food, and I didn’t rush to the bathroom 2 days ago when I had some noodles from this diet place close to me.
exactly what I was thinking, since EF doesn’t push me towards a different diet.
but then again, i’m pretty sure I can somehow “tame” spartan.
in fact, i’m going to watch videos of powerlifters and dirty bulkers to make my subconscious believe it that it’s necessary to bulk with junk food 
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Seems like it’s working, I ate 2 burgers from a fast food restaurant (finished 10 mins ago), still no reaction 
It’s crazy how sensitive you are to the subs. Same with JCast and others.
I don’t know if me feeling bitter sweet about it is the right word.
At the same time I’m excited about your results and I really am rooting for you to reach all your goals and more.
But I also wish I had even a fraction of your sensitivity. Since the beginning of me starting to use SC products it’s been frustrating af to see how others “feel” the subs. I know this lack of feeling doesn’t prevent me from having results, it just annoys me to no end 
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Don’t you notice any of your behavior change? I don’t feel anything on subs except recon hahaha
Usually this is how it goes with sub, I run it, asking myself when I’ll see results and suddently I see myself do a different behavior. Then I’m like “wait a minute?” and it starts from there.
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I do notice. But it might take a long time. I do not remember how I used to be. The changes are definitely there. Maybe I haven’t just noticed them in the moment, because they feel so natural. That might be the case.
What I’m talking about is when other users “feel” the sub when they are running it. Kind of feel it’s quality. Or how their mood changes when they listen to it.
I don’t envy the results, as I get great results. I just wish I could feel it the way others do.
When I started, I kept changing subs and not listening consistently. One day I just decided that these things work. I committed myself on running through EoG. I did it kind of on blind fate, based on how others were getting results.
And I’m happy that I did. EoG and Emperor after that changed my life.
Edit: I also never felt any recon, before I on purpose overloaded myself with Alchemist St1 on Qv2.
And then when I ran RICH ZP as a secret tester on the same day as my Emperor custom in Qv2 Terminus Squared.
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@Hoppa Have you considered that the reason you might not “feel” the subs is because of the fact that you’re always on the lookout to feel them ?
Also, might be a bit off-topic, but do you drink or smoke weed?
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Hmm… I don’t know. When I was going through EoG I was using set and forget. So I wasn’t paying attention all the time.
I do use alcohol. Never smoked weed or cigarettes.
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An update for today:
1 x Chosen.
Wasn’t really in any situations where I could see Chosen’s effects today, however, I have started noticing a certain glow on my face and in my eyes, the narcissistic side of WZP made me call myself an angel 
I do look like one though 
or maybe more like a Greek god 
Anyways, Spartan has started settling in, I started taking my workouts seriously from today (I did say the other day that you guys ain’t ready for what’s coming 
), and really pushed myself far beyond what I have been doing for the last few months, and it doesn’t stop there, people started gathering up to see me do my lifts (I squatted 80kgs today/175-180lbs) like it was nothing.
So yeah, more limits will be broken soon .
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In my opinion, if it’s not an “archetype-based” subliminal, then it won’t really as much “feel” to it.
Have you ever noticed the archetype of whichever sub you’re using “surface” more when you’re drunk?
I’ve been theorizing that sometimes when a person is high or drunk, their subconscious takes over (to a certain extent), which makes them express the subliminal more.
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Forgot to mention that I also did set and forget with Emperor Q test.
I haven’t noticed this. Granted, I’m not paying as much attention when getting drunk.
I’m usually extremely introverted. But when I’m drinking I get talkative. But this has been happening always, years before I found subliminals. And Emperor isn’t that extroverted anyway.
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the way i see it, either Emperor ZP is going to make you feel the power of emperor,
or
you probably still haven’t found your “perfect-match” sub.
like I don’t know if you remember, but I started with Emperor, then switched to Wanted the day it came out, and honestly if that day I bought something else like StarkQ, PS, or any other archetypal sub, I would have regretted it or switched to Wanted regardless.
in a way, I got lucky with finding my perfect fit, maybe you haven’t found yours yet
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I said “I am beautiful, beautiful” in the bathroom’s gym today, and rather loudly. I only realized how silly it was to act like this in public after I said it, lol. The glow on the face and in the eyes is real. I’m seeing people’s faces light up when they see me, specially police officers.
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I’m actually thinking about shaving my beard to test out how much more attention I can generate
also, the amount of self-confidence that keeps on compounding on a daily basis is just unreal, like I didn’t really ever let out my superiority complex here (I used to call myself “the one above all”), but people who talk to me IRL have told me that even my “narcissism” is too attractive now
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Go for it! Your narcissism seems pretty funny here on the forum. If you put on the charm and make them feel good about themselves while you’re cocky, forget it! They’ll vote you in for president. lol
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Hahaha trust me when I say this, what I show on here is only like 5%
Without Chosen in my stack to keep me humble, my ego can be bigger than Elon Musk’s assets
Like I’ll tell you about an incident from when I was testing the final version of WZP before the preview version;
I went to meet my girl at the uni and saw some random guy bothering her and her friend (being creepy and annoying), so I sit a bit far and smoke, and once I was done, I made my towards the side they were standing and just casually put my arms around both girls, the guy said “yo, what the fuck you think you’re doing?!”, all I said was “what you’re miserably failing at” and just left with both of them in my arms
His face was worth laughing at , and both my girl and her friend keep telling me how anytime he sees either of them, he just turns around in shame and walks the other way .
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I don’t feel them as much as the others do. It makes me jealous, rofl. I mean, I do experience the Zero Point Perception Shift, and sometimes it’s incredibly profound. Most of the time, it’s more of an awareness that my reality is changing.
I don’t feel ANYTHING when I run Diamond, outside of a sense of calmness around minute 8. It isn’t until the activity starts that I realize that the sub is… meeting the target goal.
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Did you notice any changes in your smoking habits? Or the urge to smoke? I am a smoker myself and I was wondering if Spartan also influenced those cravings, aside from the push to clean eating.
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