But for me the downsides dissipate when I run a program. To when I listen I function perfectly headaches disappear etc then when the rest days come they return.
Perhaps I need more listening? Honestly I don’t know I’m not willing to make that bet like @mecharc did as I know I’m sensitive to subs as well
I must say though several months ago I ran Stark ZP and had none of these issues now after trying several Customs I do have them so that makes me very curious about the deep lasting effects of ZP
I think it’s probably a personal case for me because for most it is not an issue but if you do have you them should not go for a Custom in my opinion
I have noticed that whenever the scripts are given way to execute this mental pressure immediately dissipates. And all returns back to normal and I come into a very healthy and happy state.
You might wanna try that with Spartan by working out
Makes sense. It’s what Luther’s been talking about, and that some idiots want to deny. How can you possibly succeed using a sub without taking action? It makes no sense.
Feels like if you have recon from listening to a sub and not taking action, it’s because the recon is a feature, not a bug.
Avoid overexposing, don’t mix modalities, check whether you caught something, eat and sleep well, ensure you are taking action.
Finally, try lower listening times such as 5 minutes. Don’t feel an obligation to listen to 15 minutes - start slow. Gradually increase if you feel you can handle it and notice more improvement. Keep an eye on the process and your inner state as you do so.
Yours is because you are mixing other modalities - which we recommend against as we do not know what is in other modalities nor can we predict the consequences - to the extreme, while also doing spiritual practices.
I strongly suspect the issues you keep trying to pin to subliminal use began shortly after you started mixing without care and likely increased the amount of your spiritual practices at the same time.
There is only so much the subconscious mind, the body, the mind and spirit can handle. Just like in chemistry, adding unknown compounds to the mix not only increases the overall volume (in this case, load on the individual) but also introduces massive unforeseen and potentially chaotic effects. You can be considered lucky if the only thing that happened as a result was an increase in overall volume.
@bombayduck you are correct but I do not think people are foolish enough to deny this, I think people are to weakened, in Will and vitality to start acting.
There are many circumstances that you could lead to this and you often don’t know people’s background, it’s good to give some support and guide them through it and give them a push in the back.
I recently made this exact conclusion, I ask too much of myself.
But it is not from a Spiritual practise, because it was when I stopped all Spiritual practise that my whole world crumbled. And there are many scientific reasons for this but in essence I no longer hard the strength, energy, balance, and mitigating of negativity that I previously had to carry on with the Customs I constantly creating and trying to bring into manifestation with an exceptionally strong will and constantly cleansing the reconciliation that came with it.
It was totally stupid of me to abuse these sacred sciences to mitigate whatever reconciliation and overexposure I had from the subs.
I remember vividly that I did many loops of Khan had a major headache did my practise which fueled me with tremendous energy and the headache was gone immediately. This was faulty of me and I was not properly trained which is why I discontinued these practises and went more deeply into the theoretical approach of these studies and the building of a foundation which is what I have been focusing on but the consequences of my actions have mostly remained with me.
(Also because I kept making the same mistake with the Customs)
I did learn a lot from it, and it gave me insight into the path of pain, that through pain you can learn a lot and grow a lot very fast and very quickly but that it is agonising.
Because the practise that I did supported the subs and improved their working drastically.
It was when I stopped using them that I collapsed mentally, emotionally, Spiritually at a point where I was also under a lot of other forms of stress and this was my mistake.
Now, the programs had become deeper, more potent, and longer lasting so with each new technology it just became a harder task for me and I thought I was able to continue from my previous momentum which had long slackened.
This explains the programs working perfectly fine after my long washout after which I continued with the same mistake of jumping into big Customs, of which a big portion I was unable execute on (causing the pressures).
And constant overbearing long-term stress that was self-imposed eventually many physical health deficits.
I have to be honest here my subconscious state was bad it keeps me wondering how at all odds I kept myself in a positive state.
But anyway, this is just a rant I’m about all the stupidity I’ve gone through.
It’s very well known that subconscious fears and phobias cause nervous tensions and headaches.
When whatever is inputted is too much to bear that can be a result.
But this must not be so to the general and compliant user.
I will just fix this issue now that I have fully uncovered it’s roots and move on in peace without having to disturb this forum again.
I will have to rebuild my health, heal the subconscious blockages and work with the regular programs at a maintainable phase so that I can rebuild my life and momentum.
It all begun when I jumped into Khan Complete Q without previous foundation.
Anyhow, I put this here to make people aware that I have been on an experimental path that I essentially used the subs a means to more deeply understand and uncover the mechanisms of the universe and be my own experiment to understand the alchemical laws and that I went too far too quickly and against all odds which had consequences.
That I’m not the general user here and that most people do not have to fear that these issues will ever come to them.
I will return with a magical story and support the people here by sharing the many truths and positive insights I have gleaned from this agonising journey!
Might be a lot of spelling mistakes in here too.
I already decided to fully focus on my health and come back when all these issues are completely fixed for me so that I do not for mislead and confuse newcomers from sharing my personal, and rather odd experience that is unlikely to ever overcome anyone here.
Don’t let this fool you, recon masks itself with recon. Next time fatigue and headache come, don’t expose yourself. Take a long washout until you are sure ALL recon is gone. I overexposed myself EXTREMELY EXTREMELY for exactly 1 year. And now I am suffering the consequences.
I feel very grateful that both creators took the time to address my issues. Last thing I would ask is: would you please confirm that one listen a week for 5 minutes is a good enough baseline to start from? Thank you so much
Yes it is, but at the end of the day, it depends on you.
Listen and wait until you know that you’ll no longer feel recon.
After some tests, you subconscious mind will intuitively know when to listen or not.
I did not initially know all of this and it is was a comobulation
For me the headaches stems from an inability, a fear, or phobia regarding the scripting that I “shutdown” and get a headache. But I’m not sleepy, nor am I fatigued.
Let us associate overexposure with having too much exposure that our mind and body gets fatigued because the energetic system is depleted.
Reconciliation as the emotional turmoil that comes with the changes.
And then I would categorise what I experience under the stonewalling, where I flat out shutdown from the message that I’m exposed to, whether that be a one minute message or an hour long message does not matter to me it’s still giving me the headache.
I listen to Paragon Sleep and I feel a way of relieve and lightness almost as if it is nothing for me to process because it clicks with my subconscious, and my subconscious cheers it on because it can act on that script immediately.
It’s when I listen a Custom, with many parts that I’m afraid of it wants to hide, or deny, or just shut down and not act on it which gives me a blockage, because I get stuck and blocked.
I’m not sleepy or fatigued, however, what ends up happening is that I’m stubborn and think I can somehow surpass this by Willing myself to act and go to all sorts of events in a state of panic which then ends up in exhaustion and mental, physical disease from the stress that comes with it.
So that’s a mistake I made and one I should of never made from the first moment I jumped into Khan Q Complete without previous foundation.
But here is the thing — with Q, I had the ability, to more often redirect my focus and reestablish, internally, the subconscious desire—which for me resulted in less reconciliation.
More intervals of “goodness” scripting.
Theoretically — if you listen a script it will feel good, then some event happens you feel bad and if you listen again the vibrations set into motion from listening will lift you above it.
If you listen once a week, all sorts of events may upset you.
Therefore, it’s my understanding and thinking if you can divide 3 mins over 3 times a week you will have 3 times a week where someone can whisper an inspirational message in your ear, a friendly, helping servant or coach who can lift you above that.
The more frequently this is done, the better, because there are constantly vibrations at play which may negate this positive message.
And this I tried to convey before why I genuinely like a less powerful file which I can listen more often because I like to benefit from the alchemical message and the positive impact it can have on my internal life.
Whereas being told A, then being shown B caused recon, but a simple repetition of A as many have found (listening a little 3 min completely abolishing your recon) completely changes your state.
I’m saying it’s important to understand this process and not be at the mercy of reconciliation, and telling yourself you must be in reconciliation feeling absolutely wrecked a whole week because you are in recon. Which is ludicrous in my opinion.
This is the point of Alchemy, you feel a way you do not like — change it, at your own Will, by your own accord. The forces of life are determined by you, and not by some outside influence or event.
But I had difficulty conveying this because of the smashed mental plane I was and still am in because of the experimentation.
I have to make this disclaimer though that these are all my opinions, theories, understandings, from my personal experience and understanding of Natural Law and Alchemy that it should not be interpreted as official guidelines or statements.
But I like to share this because I think it can be useful for everyone including myself and for everyone to debate and share their understandings and theories from so that we can find absolute truth and use it constructively to build a better life.
So how do you know when you have reconciliation what does it feel like to you?
Because another thing is that when you have reconciliation, in the emotional sense of the word. That if your state is low and vibrating at any of the lower and destructive emotions, our ability to process information drastically decreases.
So it may be you are listening 2x loops every other day, and then suddenly crashing reconciliation hits and you are overexposed at the same time.
Because in that moment your ability to process information declines as well, and suddenly what heretofore wasn’t “overexposure” suddenly became overexposure.
Like drinking lots of beer in the club, then changing temperature by going outside and your a suddenly incredibly drunk and lost consciousness.
This is the same scenario. Certain variables changed whereby the alcohol in your blood suddenly turned you in the drunk fool from town whereas previously the amounts of alcohol you drunk were not even sufficient to make you tipsy…
Your tolerance declined because of the changes in the body from the sudden change in temperature when you left the club or bar.
I don’t know if I am making a mistake by not reading your entire posts and I am sorry.
But my may-be-wrong response would be: don’t play lawyer games and don’t try to rationalize it. Just lower the loops and take long rest days. You have missed using subs for these whole years before SC. It’s ok to take some days off for the sake of experience.
@SaintSovereign : Can you confirm that 3 minutes cover the full script of HoM or should I go for 5 minutes? HoM has been so hard on me in the past that there is no way I’m exposing myself to 15 minutes of HoM ZP. At least not this year.
It may be a good idea to revise if the tracks should be 5 minutes long instead. It would be running them more often but easier to deal with recon and, in general, control the whole process. I know the main objection: people running multiple loops like a crazy yet…
there is 3 variables that you mostly can play around with but only one should be high:
frequency (how often you train per week)
intensity (how much weight)
how many sets/reps (how long you train on the training day)
taken over to listening to subs:
how frequently are you listening to subliminals
how intense is the listening (subs in parallel, cores in custom?) does this also include the loudness of the listening session?
how many loops (part loops) do you run.
I am not sure how helpful this analogy is… (and for this analogy: everybody has a different sweet spot and you should start from the lower end and not the higher end)
I’m okay with the amount of recon I’m getting and the results I’m experiencing are insane. I stick to my golden rule which is listening to my loop only if there have been at least 24 hours without recon, symptoms of overload or that feeling of heavy processing in the back of my head. It works well yet I intuit that shorter transmutation cycles would be more beneficial. I mean running a 5 minute loop and going through the whole process (recon+integration) within a day or two instead of a couple of days. I might be wrong yet it’s worth considering.
I know I can listen to my loop for 5 minutes only yet if it’s was a 5 minute track it would be well optimized for that purpose.
A subliminal is your training coach, your advisor, someone who nurtures and uplifts you…
You go to him one a week, you will feel hopeful and inspired once a week.
You go to him thrice a week, you will feel hopeful and inspired thrice a week.
Now, if your life is not favourable, in between the days of your coaching sessions it will feel dreadful, unless you can get more coaching sessions more often — balancing the scales of negative and positive.
@Sub.Zero my issue is our experience is all so internal and to communicate, even while our subconscious is tricking us, is difficult.
I do not know what “insane results” for you mean.
It’s all so elusive.
What’s even more confusing is the so drastic differences in listening amounts from person to person and equally different there results.
Which I have gone into a little bit and theorised about in another Thread.
But for me this is based on Natural Law so it is not as much of a theory or an understanding than it is a truth.
Since running just Paragon and Paragon Sleep I do feel like there is an overall improvement in general and decrease in brain pressures, headaches, lethargy, apathy, melancholy as some describe…
I personally do not think as too intense, too strong, too weak, too this that which is all relative to a user experience. That it is individual and that we are all walking a journey, with an either big or small requirement of healing, a momentum and vibrance or the lack of it, which are components to consider.
