@user9437773791397760 Sounds like a complex way to avoid an existential crisis or realizing that thinking that way is a nice form of narcissistic entitlement
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Why does it matter?
It really doesn’t. No idea why I would even care what anyone else does or believes
If you had any education on evolutionary psychology you would understand what I meant.
But I suppose we come from different lineages, ill research the paleo a bit more for better understanding, maybe we can communicate later.
Because meaning and matter, is built into us, otherwise it wouldn’t be there, or observable.
When everything is against life, isn’t that enough to justify its existence? As well, from there since meaning is derived from each creature, this invalidates any opinion/evidence that points to anything outside/extrinsic.
Join the club a little late? I suppose if you evolved from an agrarian society you might not understand the dichotomy of a synthetic degenerate society.
Just a little way of karma for snuffing out any real spirituality that could of existed.
And thanks for organized religion.
(Sarcasm)
@user9437773791397760 I caught the sarcasm. Not late at all. I’m not sure what understanding the functional products of natural selection have anything to do with spirituality other than more proof of it’s futility. I can’t comment on agriculture having anything to do with societal decline other than I have been curious for years as to how a grain based diet affects brain function
that’s not what spirituality is
that’s what your conception of it is.
There is no-predetermination involved necessarily
there is a difference between no inherent meaning and no relevance in any context.
context is a phenomena of the human mind- your mood-sets the context for your willingness to take action or not etc. There’s infinite meaning depending on the context and perspective.
I had a teacher who made a difference with the trajectory of my life-that person has inherent relevance in the context of my life.
Meaning is inherent with out cognition of it, -looking to mentally conceptualize meaning-I agree is a fruitless endevour and only done by those who are suffering existential difficulties.
the human mind is designed to create meaning in everything, create a story, and connection out of it, assign a judgement etc, so it can be a predictive machine, or justify other difficulties of life.
You may even find meaning in the lack of relevance you suggest, it may give you freedom, clarity etc. The need to prove meaning is the same as the need to prove it’s lack, the stem from the same need for certainty
The automatic nature of our propensity to make meaning, or have certain in any direction, is not spirituality-if anything spirituality is dismantling that.
The word has been loaded.
If everything is meaningless that makes certainty irrelevant
I’ve obviously been reading Nihilist Arby’s too much
Ill conclude my last post here for now.
To tie into why evolution has “Meaning”, and thus “Life” has meaning. Is the same as why you are even here in the first place.
One meaning (a part of a whole), is the drive for survival through procreation. Do you discredit your existence through birth as something that never happened?
You eat, you stop being hungry. You drink you stop being thirsty.
Stop associating cultural nihilism with existentialism.
Thanks for the debate, it was enjoyable.
Nope too late
You’re welcome
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This is great.
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I am either 5w6 or 8w9 degenerated into 5.
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agreed-
your answer shows that you are not seeing past pluralism in this moment-it’s not about what someone comes up with. You drop something on earth-it falls that s gravity. Individuals can and have accessed something universal beyond that follows route just like any other physical law-it’s not what people come up with-or though how they say/describe it may be an individual expression.
I’m not sure you understand anything I’m saying here-it occurs like needing a debate where there is not one - connect the relevance. Less developed is not inferior-it’s less developed.
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Anyways…I think we can agree that we would not have Alchemist mixed with other major cores in a custom because its purpose is ill-defined for many
Off the top of my head, SMX is probably another sub that’s on its own because I feel that is more situational than general…
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Save for the 1 person on this forum who is able to use SMX as a general sub…
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lol,
I think I will run Alchemist for 10 weeks along with my customs starting in November
I have SMX core in a custom and I really like it.
I think anyone who ran Alchemist would be blown away regardless of their spiritual beliefs.
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I am curious to see what you will experience. Are you starting with ST1?
Alchemist Stage 4 is a core in my next planned custom. I’ll order it after I’ve run all stages of the Alchemist program. That custom is intended to be one that I carry with me for a long while.
As far as the above conversation, I’m not sure how directly any of that related to Alchemist. Seems like it might have been more about the concept of ‘spiritual’ and the sociocultural positionings of that concept.
Myself, I’m not so comfortable with the term ‘spiritual’. It’s convenient but also sloppy, I think. Similar to how we continue to say ‘sunrise’ even though we know the sun is not moving in that way. I go back and forth with the term. But the particular label doesn’t matter so much to me when it comes to how I feel about working with Alchemist. I value it and that part of my life very highly.
Agree that the word “spiritual” is actually sloppy, loosely-defined and overused.
“Spiritual but non-religious” is another phrase many people use but I am not sure if they know what they are saying.
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