Hi, what are some subs that you would not put in a custom? For me that is Alchemist because I feel that one needs to carefully run through all the stages (I haven’t run any), and Ascension because it is a highly foundational title that I feel best works on its own and for a short period of time (I would rather pick other things to put in a long-term custom).
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Alchemist might be a good combination with a seduction sub after reading this on the product page,
“The stage where you will start massively growing your spiritual potential and develop the skills you will need on your journey.”…
"If you are too sexual and forward with women, Refinery will pull you back and let women chase after you, and vice versa. "(Alchemist st2)
You can “Skip” st1 … “the Alchemist subliminal will work alongside you and what you believe in to help you achieve and realize your spiritual truth”
If you just want to direct all the alchemist energy into say… Khan st3 or something. “combined with the extreme push of Total Action and the raw sexual aura you will be giving off, as well as the intuitive guidance of Total Action”
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The alchemist is a very interesting subliminal. I didn’t see why I’d run it until I experienced what I’ve experienced on “Man for Himself”. If I were to run it I would dedicate a month+ per stage. Ideally get it name-embedded at Terminus.
Agreed.
Running it now. Three months per stage for the first three stages. And for the last stage? Who knows, could be more like three years.
@malkuth wow that’s a synchronicity. At the time I wrote this post I thought “Alchemist is so unique that I’d dedicate three months per stage, something that’s hard to imagine for any other subliminal.”
Seriously. Especially with the significance of spiritual healing. I can imagine starting on Jan 1, 2021 with a name-embedded terminus version so the stages correspond exactly to calendar months of a year.
As for Ascension, I considered a hypothetical run I like to call “The Ascension of SubliminalUser” which would be 30 days of only Ascension as a major title.
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I definitely would not want to skip the spiritual healing stage. I feel that healing the spiritual sense is much more substantial and significant for many individuals compared to healing in other senses. Take these aspects for multi-stages:
- Social: Khan ST1 (Social healing)
- Physical: EF ST1 (physical healing)
- Intellectual: QL ST1 (mental healing)
- Spiritual: Alchemist ST1 (spiritual healing)
I feel that in this day and age, the environment in which people have grown up naturally leads to some kind of foundation for the first three aspects. Obviously people still can do a lot better, which is why so many people praise Khan ST1 because of its breakdown. I don’t doubt that. However there is still a foundation of sorts that people have when it comes to socializing because people still have done something in that regards over the years. Same thing when it comes to learning and physical fitness.
However, when it comes to spirituality many are practically lost. What is the basis? The most I have seen sometimes is that people will use lots of big words to evoke a mystical sense when it comes to discussions on being spiritual but that’s about it. Even going beyond that, many who are newer to the community are likely motivated by a particular external factor. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. However, it potentially (likely?) points to some underlying shortcomings one has in their spiritual self. Perhaps in terms of the ego?
I am reminded of this video from Sunny Sharma on healing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L2NMBDlQuw. It is such an outstanding view that I have watched it multiple times and it made me rethink the process of healing itself.
What I am getting at is the ontological orientation that one maintains may need significantly more work for spiritual success, more than in success for other categories due to the processes which people have taken part in (or more accurately not taken part in) growing up.
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I listened to part of the video. Seems kind of Non-Dualist or Advaita Vedanta in inspiration.
I don’t think I would ever tell someone in great pain that they need to let go. That’s just rude. (hmm… well never say never. If my deep intuition said that it would help them, I might give it a go.) If this view is accurate, it’s probably best to just do it and be a living example, so people can see what’s possible.
Some people also develop great powers of healing transmission. And they may be able to facilitate such a letting go in others. (And who knows, for some fortunate people, maybe the simple act of hearing about the concept will be enough.)
I agree that radical acceptance/engagement and its paradoxical counterpart, utter non-attachment/non-clinging/non-grasping can have a certain kind of therapeutic effect on the entire being. But I also believe that there are no shortcuts. There are tons of ‘spiritually-evolved’ teachers whose attainments lead them to believe that they have transcended small views and small standards; yet they seem to have this pesky habit of f**king disciples and adherents. Oops. They also, generally, at some point, die. (To my knowledge anyway.) So whatever they’re learning and practicing, it doesn’t fix everything.
Got to be careful with spiritual Rhetoric. First it inspires you, but then it imprisons you. After practicing for a while, people wonder why they’re not making more progress, why do they still have all of these petty, human problems. “I know the truth, I should be better than this”.
Nah.
To me, the root enlightenment is to recognize the intrinsic miraculousness of everything. That means all you really learn is that everyone and everything is just as great as you are. I think that’s good enough for me. Why? It’s a kind of existential lubricant. Doesn’t make life better necessarily. But maybe helps you to deal with it better.
And in the meantime, we all do our best to learn useful skills and lessons and apply them the best we can.
2 cents and 2 cents only.
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Spirituality really doesn’t matter too much these days. The combination of liberalization of behavior / behavior linked to currency / easy access to currency. This is at odds with the superior mindset of a spiritually inclined lifestyle, proven through its survival and cultivation over millennia. As well, you have spiritual/religious(secular/atheist) groups participate in the above cycle, to justify their beliefs and contrast their good life, with the suffering of the rest.
As shown by the switch to more scientifically justified deities like secular governments, and biological imperatives, like having and taking care of children or protecting yourself from outsiders. All of that stuff is mixed wrongly with spirituality. Physical meaning is the operation of our physical reality, and spiritual is the reinterpretation of both the physical and metaphysical meaning, but will never be “meaning”, since we are imperfect optical instruments stuck in a humanistic-centric illus-reality. As well as the reliance on science to justify data into predictable systems only further distances people from what their “meaning” could be.
We are in a current transformation, where the current majority of say “middle class” or “elite”, will simply and softly transition into helots for some higher power, be it the current power consolidation of (automated corporation), or underneath more spiritually inclined individuals.
When entire generations of individuals grew up in observance of synthetic closed loop, symbols and deities tied to a monetary/consumption system. The above cycle is just simply superior to the classical search for human meaning, which is a personal journey, which can be accelerated by organized religion. Just think about how absurd our search for “Meaning” today is, when we have Disney lecturing us… We have so many choices and realities to choose from.
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What about ‘Meaning’?
I was messing around with Alchemist stage 1 for a bit with my stack and was quite blown away.
It added an intelligence to everything I was doing. Like where I would do things with no real effect, just emotional drama or need for validation, dropped away immediately, my mind and thinking were clearer, my will was stronger than it was on Emperor alone, and I saw path and directions towards growth with a clarity that had been alluding me. Also a lot of my internal questioning and seeking and doubting stopped. Very powerful sub-I imagine it would support a great many others.
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It’s your apparent certainty itself, with regard to the accuracy of your narrative, that influences me to be skeptical of the narrative.
But don’t worry.
I don’t know either way.
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Any spiritual or anything aura related. What a waste of time
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All the cultural commentary in the world, as apt as it may or may not be, won’t be relevant to an individuals experience of what they value or place importance on spiritually.
Personally when I was younger I got great spiritual value from Disney, it made me think animals and stuff animals were cognizant creatures with spirit, and I collected them to create worlds of unconditional love, and Alice in Wonderland has me always thinking what’s beneath the surface, the value of madness for realization, and about comfort with change and metamorphosis in Absolum’s case
Authentic Spirituality has not been relevant to the current status quo, zeitgeist, or cultural narrative outside of tribalism probably ever lol. The closest was religious states but we all know that doesn’t capture spirituality in essence (although imo religion when done authentically is indeed a hard, rigid, structure for spiritual potential)
To me, Spirituality is just an experience and/or cultivation of aligning your mind/self more with reality and what’s larger than ourselves, and it’s come to be seen as something ‘out there’
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yes it is difficult to understand it since we never had the chance to experience it + false constraints on physical world causing a split between an individuals spirit and body. Mainly one of the many reasons organized religion was a failure. I am not to read up on this aspect, but Jung is probably the best person to read about on organized religion, and he even recommends individual who were raised within it, to go back, otherwise to cultivate an individualistic spirituality like meditation etc.
How it works is simply, the person observes symbols and through intuition is able to “see” their personal reality, and thus derive their spirit.
Good summary for the start of someones personal journey(I am not spiritual).
Observing cultural commentary is a good idea to do (Read this in the zohar),
Alot of this stuff is pure willpower of the human spirit to create a fabricated spirituality(reality manufacturing). Understanding it allows the individual to understand their own limitations. Closed loop spiritualism as you allude to, is vulnerable to the grandiosity of human creativity and willpower.
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I think it’s a great thing to do, and can certainly contribute to closed loops.
The remedy for what your referring to these days, in people who do practice ‘spirituality’ at a high level is to have cross disciplinary teachers/ practitioners or simply just other human beings hold them accountable, and reflect shadow. Someone prone to grandiosity observing cultural narrative will not necessarily self correct lol
there is a lot of flak from people who don’t remotely understand or value spirituality -but I won’t pretend in some post-modern pluralistic sense that people are all on the same level of development, truth is subjective, and there fore there opinions are equally true. Equally valid yes, but the fact of the matter are people are more developed than each other in different areas and they are closer to truth and understanding of reality in that area. I’ll take a chemistry professors opinion on a chemical experiment over a butchers. A butcher commenting on molecules being made up is meaningless to me.
Spirituality at its best, outside of culture or ritual-is integral-meaning it accounts for multiple perspectives and transcends and includes them. Someone who is operating at a level of survival and depression is in fact not as in touch with reality as someone who is operating at a level of success and happiness.
They can’t acknowledge outside perspectives as much, they have egoic / narcissitic mechanisms keeping them in loops, delusion, and denial. They think there perspective, which is fixed and conditioned, is reality. This is not bad/or wrong-they could have endogenous predispositions etc.
Now people with a ‘spiritual facade’ can in fact be the worst, and often are, while people who are atheists can be more authentically spiritual than a priest.
To me spirituality is a reflection of one’s level of consciousness, how in touch with their literal consciousness-day to day experience is, with a larger reality, the infinite complexity, which is the total possibility of subjective experience, an ability to navigate that in relation to the phenomena and total complexity of the emerging world.
Anyway, without extreme adherence to/and shared systems on terminology the whole thing falls apart semantically.
But it my mind- @user9437773791397760 your understanding and acknowledgement of Jungian conceptions and recognizing cultural narrative as applicable to subjective experience means your consciousness is expanded beyond the norm, and while I in no way want to attribute my values or definitions to you, in my mind that is a spiritual thing-in the sense of transcending and including.
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I would add in EoG Stage 1 (as “financial” healing - conquering limiting beliefs about money)
Then you have all around healing for real.
I am planning on creating a custom with Khan, QL, EmpFit and EoG (all Stage 1 cores) for a complete healing subliminal to run 6 months +.
Should work splendidly!
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You misinterpret my analysis of the closed loop spirituality, but you do mention below how it gets out of hand. Since we are both interesting in astrology, I will just mention it briefly. The Grandiosity comes from Creativity/ingenuity/willpower of the human spirit (<!). Attaching meaning to certain alignments, to the covid crisis is one observation and the “science” is correlative and backed by others who are experts.
There is only an infinite number of spirituality’s/realities within an illusion. But, yea when you observe “Everyone” you will get infinite observations.
This is of course not to downplay what someone may come up with, but the video originally posted by SubliminalUser is a good summary. It is insight for an individual to temporarily shed any duality of thought, to observe their “Inner (self)”.
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This is of course another Illusion, since detachment from thought is still a dual view, but polarizes the dual function so as to better observe the differences.
Tsk tsk. Overvaluing syncretization, I could see why it is popular thought. Not a new idea of course, just another tool for rule of law, it isn’t suprising to hear someone call it spirituality. Would you consider the relationship between Disney and Feminism a valid spiritual topic to discuss? As well as integration and mixing of two ideas as superior to either or?
As for your mention of positive vs negative outlooks of the person as inferior to another, whilst ignoring your own advice above about transcendence… But I would concede to your view only if it was a method to inform me personally (ad hominem). Emotions are only the dual reflection we all experience, the physical information.
We would’nt want to discredit buddha’s asceticism as inferior, when it was key to the full development of his philosophy.
Spirituality is trying to force meaning when there isn’t any. I don’t get what’s so hard about accepting that we aren’t relevant in any context. It doesn’t matter what stories or fairy tales anyone makes up there isn’t anything out there that has a predetermined plan for 7.8 billion people individually or collectively
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I do actually love alchemist st4 in my custom, but I ran st1 for a month and change before I got it. The custom is built around it so perhaps that works for subs you normally wouldn’t add to a mix.
I’ve skipped over things that are purely sex / attracting others focused. I think seductress is the only one I have and it’s mostly for my own benefit plus reading the pottsQ thread as one of the first I looked at on here.
With many stage ones of multi subs having healing in them I do wonder how the healing modules compare when stacked against st1.
My abandoned (for now) wealth sub has EOG st1 and 4 in and perhaps I can reconfigure it into something I will use in a few months.
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Spiritualityistryingtoforcemeaningwhenthereisn’tany.Idon’tgetwhat’ssohardaboutacceptingthatwearen’trelevantinanycontext.Itdoesn’tmatterwhatstoriesorfairytalesanyonemakesupthereisn’tanythingouttherethathasapredeterminedplanfor7.8billionpeopleindividuallyorcollectively
The meaning is the question why we even exist, when everything is against us. This is the principle behind any real spirituality or divinity.
Each creature is going to have its own divine plan, determined by why it is even here, for how it exists within existence.
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