Sub for inner power

What do you mean “life happened”? Traumatic experience? What exactly happened?

I’m asking because if you run Emperor, then your QoL is supposed to keep improving.

I don’t mean to seem probey or rude - you don’t have to answer if you don’t want to. I’m just genuinely trying to understand why you’re struggling because I know for a fact that when subliminals like Emperor are utilized correctly, then you become a powerhouse and your life keeps improving on all cylinders.

You got betrayed by someone after 4 months?

People here ( my college )were a bit selfish, a lot of hate, rage, lying m, cheating. Then career season, seems even average gpa guys aren’t even given chance in career, people did all sorts of unethical shit too. That experience really broke me. Kind of felt lonely here, not many people that I would vibe with. I certainly don’t see people striving to improve themselves here they are engaged in addictions ( not judging anyone) that don’t serve them. Somewhere I lost that fighting spirit in all these experiences. Its like do I even wanna fight. About emperor, gradually the societal programming somewhere too over me after those 4 months. Even when I was not running emperor I noticed myself not taking action in the romance department as in I always had some deeper thing stopping me which traced back to betrayal trauma from a relationship 3 years ago. That one really messed with me, because I had to suppress my emotions for focussing on a very important exam.

Let me explain you the betrayal trauma part. I think you will agree that the inner work is one of the most important pillars of subliminal usage. When I go about evaluating my beliefs, for example - what do I think about power? I would feel a lot of resistance and not be able to feel my true emotions instead there would be a protective layer on it and I would be just repeating this though it in my logical mind without any outcome. This essentially arises from not being able to trust my emotions because of my betrayal trauma. It also naturally causes problems with patience, as the foundation of patience is trust, trust in life, trust in self.

Just from my experience, Emperor was great, but I wasn’t ready for emperor when I started it.
4 month gave me resilience and a start into subliminals. The resilience alone is priceless.

But for the rest, I was running one sub after another, mostly for a couple of cycles, to understand my issues better and tackle them with a more concentrated approach then Emperor.

Emperor is a great sub. Especially when you run it on a stable foundation. If not, building the foundation first is probably faster done with other subs (Like LB, Ascension,…)

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I’ve had the exact same experience as you. Back when I was in college, a lot of people were addicted and stressed. Fear of failure was rampant. People would blatantly cheat on exams, and the instructor didn’t even care. Lmfao. Some instructors were only there to get paid while doing the most minimal work possible - just monetizing their expertise and experience without a true passion for teaching. This is all just reality though, lol.

When you run a subliminal like Emperor, then you might experience dissonance with your environment. That’s a growth mechanism that actually has to be worked through. It’s part of leveling up your mindset and reality.

I agree bro.

This is how I’m understanding it, let me know if I’m missing something or misunderstanding:

When you were running Emperor, you felt badass. Your mindset was growing for 4 months. You got off Emperor. Then you basically sunk back into the mediocrity of the mindsets around you? It sounds like the societal programming wasn’t taking you over while you were running Emperor.

Why did you stop using Emperor?

Thanks for taking the time to answer, I appreciate it. Like I said, you don’t really have to if you don’t want to, lol.

My question for you, is what specifically made you think that you’re not ready for Emperor?

What are the specific things that made you come to this conclusion.

Was it reconciliation? Was it a community narrative of the forum? Was it your own gut intuition? Was it another community member’s opinion?

When you say you weren’t ready for Emperor - how do you know that? What is this based on? What led you to this conclusion?

You can’t be “not ready” for a subliminal, and then proceed to get priceless results from it.

I stopped emperor because even after making me badass it didn’t do much for my dating life. If I recall that was with Emperor + PS + Wanted. Not that I wasn’t getting attraction, I was, but I couldn’t find the guts to convert the opportunity. So went for deeper sub - Khan. But then, I think I switched often and things went off in wrong directions ig. But I still recall keeping khan.

So you ran Emperor + PS + WANTED and became a badass. You experienced attraction from women in the form of IOI’s. That’s all good.

I’ve been in the exact same situation as you, lol. I was running WANTED and began experiencing a lot of attraction from women, but I didn’t have the balls to approach them. For most men, this is normal.

If you had stuck with Emperor + PS + WANTED and took action to gradually expand your comfort zone around with women (starting small and working your way up), then you would grow your ability to convert.

Okay, so you switched to Khan. Then you kept switching other subliminals and going in wrong directions.

Did Khan improve your dating life? How did that go? Are you still running it? If not, then how long did you run it?

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This thread is literally you switching subliminals yet again:


See, here’s the thing right.

I’m not going to suggest you another subliminal to switch to like 14 other people on the forum. I like to focus on actual congruent development and make sure that someone is correctly using these tools, maximizing their results, and changing their life. Everyone deserves that. I don’t like enabling circular progression - I like to have discussions and get to the root of the problems. Right now, the problem looks like a lack of consistency.

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My intuition is divided between Sage Immortal and Hero Origins. Both of them are skill development titles, HO focuses more on the concept of virtue.

Where I am coming from is a gradual process of comparing different energy development modalities - Ur-Christianity, Kundalini related disciplines/Hindu philosophy, and Taoist/Qigong practices, which for me is still ongoing. I wanted to understand what distinguishes safe or efficient practice from faulty practice, and how to get results in the least period of time.

When you speak about being unable to trust emotions, and “feeling badass” but it not being a permanent thing, aspects of my reading on Qigong training come up. The founder of Shaolin, Da Mo, was narrated to have said "“If (one) does not know how to keep the mother (Qi) and son (Shen) together, though the Qi (is directed) by breathing internally (nevertheless) the Shen is labored and craves external (objects) resulting in the Shen being always debauched and dirty; the Shen is thus not clear. (If) the Shen is not clear, the original harmonious Qi will disperse gradually, (Shen and Qi) cannot be kept together.”

What he is describing is a phenomenon known as “energy dispersion” which occurs especially in Yang style practitioners. He says that qi dispersal is the result of a debauched/unclear Shen (spirit), which is the result of it grasping on to external objects (attachment). I feel like this could be part of the reason behind the phenomenon of the subliminal “honeymoon” phase, where a sub generates a particular pattern of action within, but it is unable to be maintained.

In a more practical sense, the way it seems to work is: the Shen (spirit) and wisdom-mind (Yi) generate the “feeling” or the internal state which modulates your decision making, your level of confidence, and so on. When that is being continuously pushed outside or emotionally reacting (Xin) to other peoples actions, that internal state which is being generated is perturbed due to bad habits of mind which society trains us in.

Put simply, “inner power” is about not letting external circumstances adversely affect your internal state. You use subs, breathing techniques, meditative practices and so on to clear out the trash so to speak, but then the Shen (spirit) still needs to be maintained clear and kept as the ruler so that the emotions can be kept in check and power can keep building.

Sub-wise, I notice GLM: Commander and the different Dragon Reborn subs are meant to help cultivate detachment. The Genesis series also mentions this. But I would still think one of the other two I mentioned because they are skill-building, and the ability to build and maintain that Shen is a skill; also Hero has “mental composure in the face of stress”, “physical resilience and power”, and follows a script that is very tied to the many internal cultivation methods out there. Out of all of them it seems to embody the most aspects of inner power that I have seen. So combining it with some sort of martial practice would definitely do the job.

Edit: also worth considering the upcoming update of CWON:

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Awesome, if I were you I’d do a full run of Khan, THEN go back to Emperor + PS + Wanted. OR you could run one of them with Khan (but I wouldn’t add them until ST2 or ST3). I’m about to start ST3 tomorrow + Emperor, wish me luck :sparkles:

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First, it was my first sub. I knew nothing about conscious guidance. Self worth was next to zero, selflove and confidence as well.
When I started subs with Emperor, I thought of it as a magic pill. I ran it specifically for a small set of goals. After running it for four months, I didn’t see any results.

It was a mix. I was totally in recon when I dropped Emperor. I was highly irritable. I was acting very aggressively every day. The situation in my family was very tense. I knew I needed to make some cautious negotiations over the next couple of weeks/ months. That wasn’t possible with Emperor’s anger.
Also I realized that I can’t control Emperor (conscious guidance) and that the goals are much to broad to get the results I wanted.
So I switched to the more narrow GM to get anything financially in motion. Still hoping for the magic pill effect.

But I was so in recon city at that time, I had difficulties writing coherent sentences.

I needed a very focused approach to see faster results. LB and Ascension delivered in under two weeks. They are like Italys l’autostrada. When they need to repair it it’s done overnight on very small areas. You almost can’t notice them while doing the work because it’s so smooth.
Emperor is rather like the German Autobahn. 856 construction sites over 2000km. Jams everywhere. Perhaps five workers on every tenth site. It’s a mess.
That’s how Emperor felt when I ran it.
So I’d guess it would be different now, with a lot of groundwork I’ve done this last year.

I only noticed the resilience weeks after I dropped Emperor.

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@WinglissStark
Thank you for sharing all of this and showing your vulnerability.
I have been at the same place, sometimes I fall back to it.
But what you describe imho sounds like a deeper issue that I definitley would recommend theraphy for. Especially this not trusting emotions and feeling that there is a layer blocking you. Somatic excperiencing theraphy is exactly about working with emotions and the body and is a skill that will make all your future subliminal usage work better and better.

I know that deep abandonment trauma. If you want to change it, go to theraphy (in addition with subs). This is the fastest way. And I agree…Stick to one Sub. In the past I also made this error of sub hopping and new sub syndrom. The thing is that I discovered:
In the beginning i have the feelings of the sub in my mind…but outside reality doesnt shift yet…
And it wont properly…when someone isnt able to feels his emotions and inner impulses.

Everyone has a different understanding of trauma. That what i understand as trauma is not something that subliminals alone can heal. But they help a ton in combination with trauma theraphy as they give a healthy mindset…though sometimes as long as trauma is there the mindest can become a bit toxic…calibration process…

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Thanks for the replies, I really appreciate it.

So basically, you couldn’t handle and process the recon on Emperor. That makes a lot of sense.

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What in your opinion or understanding, would make it easier for you to handle and process the recon on Emperor?

What is groundwork? So you ran Ascension + LB and did some repair. It was easier to handle and process. Why do you think that Emperor gave you so much difficult recon? What are the specifics behind that?

edit: Anyone can answer, lol

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I allways had issues with Alpha subs aswell…they put me into an anger spiral…I never trusted my anger before and was thinking I was overreacting…because this is what my parents allways told me to.

So the way to process the reccon on alpha subs in generall is to take action. There is no way around. And to take the bold action. Move somewhere else. Leave your partner. Go no contact with your parents. Whatever it takes.

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That’s a good point bro, lol.

I’m interested to hear @Parsifal’s thoughts on that. It sounds like you’re saying that he could have made more progress on Emperor if he had taken more action.

As @Parsifal said: " I was highly irritable. I was acting very aggressively every day. The situation in my family was very tense. I knew I needed to make some cautious negotiations over the next couple of weeks/ months. That wasn’t possible with Emperor’s anger."

I can only write what I have experienced.

I knew since I had my first time ayahuasca 2.5 years ago that my family is completly toxic. But out of fear, out of comfort, our of imaturity I didnt take action…and also I guess because I listened to other people who say its overreacting and dont understand true toxic family dynamics.
Everytime I start to listen to an alpha sub this comes up. And everytime I switched sub again.
Fear of losing mommy and daddy. Fear of actually taking responsibility of my life.
Because the anger says for me: I dont want to have today anything anymore with my family. My family is a burden to me. Its no longer worth it to spend time with them
I ran away from this over and over again. But I know that I have to go down that road if I want to become the man I am capable of being.

But the thing is…we are talking about ALPHA MALE…what alpha man lets his family tell him anything? What ALPHA MALE lets his partner or wife control him?
To really take this step is a big thing. Risking to lose family.Risking to lose the partner etc. Dunnoh how many relationships actually survive if someone is running an alpha sub for a year or so.
I havent run regular Emperor. But I guess it is to get to the point of:
I AM IN CONTROL OF MY LIFE
I WONT LET ANYONE TELL ME WHAT TO DO
IF SOMEONE DOESNT LIKE THAT, WELL THEN WE HAVE NO BUSINESS TOGETHER

So the question to @Parzival would be…what did the anger ask you to do? Was it to man up, set boundaries? Because this is what the emotion anger is doing.

I have been afraid in the past of it. What if someones feelings gets hurt? Well…thats what happens when we set boundaries and someone else needs to change. How often have I put up with boundaries or been hurt by a NO? I survived it, so the other will aswell. The only other option is to not change our dynamics. Not become proper adult men. Stay a child like peter pan for our whole life. Many man do this nowadays. Most I guess.

I dont want to anymore. I want to rise. I want to live my life on my terms. I wont give anyone else control over my life!
The thing is…society calls such man toxic. Gaslights us out of it. Tells us to stay medicore. Because we show everyone where they dont man up.

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Awesome introspections there… great post, lol.

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It’s hard to grasp. I’d say because of my low selflove, confidence l, etc, I felt the need to put up boundaries but I was missing the confidence to so it in a casual way, instead, like a little child, I threw a tantrum. I wasn’t able to clearly feel, let alone understand my emotions at that time. Emotions Unfettered and Way of Understanding helped a lot in that department.
So while I can now say “I don’t want that”, “I’ll dot it, but only when I’ve finished this task” or “I need some space to breathe, I’ll be back once I’ve cooled down”, a year ago I just went into a frantic attack mode, like a cornered rat.

So, perhaps the best way to put it is that Emperor demanded that do something I couldn’t yet do in a healthy way.

Knowing what I know now, microloops would probably helped a lot. But I didn’t know about this concept, or at least didn’t understand it’s value back than.

That could have worked under different circumstances. Despite having some toxic traits, I wouldn’t describe my family as toxic in general.
We all have troubles with feeling our emotions and communicating our needs. I see it most clear with my 93 year old grandmother. When she talks about growing up and her young adult years, even as a young mother, it was always about functioning and needing to your work to survive during and after the war (born 1931).
Feeling your emotions wasn’t an option when a breakdown could be the consequence, not when your family depends on you functioning.
But emotions are still there, and they are still strong, even when swallowed on a daily basis. And from time to time they break to the surface and wreak havock. That’s a pattern absolutely present in my family. That’s the most toxic pattern I can see.
On the bright side, we are very close knit and helping. Be it moving, renovating, needing a new car, whatever. My family was always ready to help. My uncle lent me to times a years saving, knowing he’ll probably not get it back soon.
And with my mom and my grandmother being both severely disabled and emotionally fragile, I wasn’t skilled enough to take bold action without harming them.

Probably setting boundaries. But as said above, in a very immature and unhealthy way.

Hurting someone you love and who loves you is never good. Maybe necessary in some cases, but not pleasant. It’s only worse when this leads to lasting severe damage. I noticed that on this tantrums, my grandmother’s mental state degraded a bit eveytime. And she didn’t recover from it. My mother recovered. But since she’s very fragile, I feared her own emotional baggage might kill her If I make it worse.

I’d say the detour of LB and Ascension helped a lot with this maturation process. I should also add, that I listened to a custom with HoM and Lineage for 3 cycles that also delivered family healing scripting to my subconscious.

Nowadays, I can communicate my boundaries rather easy without hurting to much feelings.
Because I know I deserve these boundaries.
And because I feel confident enough, others accept my boundaries.

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