Sub for grounding and get shit done

[Azriel]

@Pyro

When I saw the RIGHT psychiatrist, he did not give me a stimulant right away and instead opted for something else that is an antidepressant that is also used to to treat ADHD. It is not a drug that can be abused like adderall and your medical doctor could prescribe it. If you stop you are just sad for 1 or 2 days but then back to normal.

I have similar issues and years ago was prescribed Adderall/Vyvanse- I LOVED them for months, I felt like a normal human being for the first time in my life. Then I started abusing the shit out of it and also adding cocaine which basically led to a massive life breakdown. I eventually found my way to Wellbutrin and did me a world of good for 9 years until about a year into sub club subs it started affecting me differently. Not sure this change was related to sub used but I halved my dose and a year later came off completely. The first few weeks off really sucked. But overall doing great now without it, but it was like learning to navigate things totally newly.

I feel profoundly more comfortable with mostly however I feel, although I feel I am often managing the craving dopamine thing (it’s more of a nag now than the way it controlled me before) that I have to manage and your post has me realize there is another level of addressing this still perhaps. I was on nicotine vape as well for a while -which self-medicated works but off it now completely.

Intermittent fasting, lots of high-quality coffee/ caffeine, and the right music station have helped alot.

[Pyro]

@Azriel

Intermittent fasting, lots of high-quality coffee/ caffeine, and the right music station have helped alot.

At the end I resorted to drink caffeine just to get through the workday. I slashed my sods intake by half overnight. Now I only drink Mountain dew because I love the taste. A slight touch of insomnia but honestly to have energy from when I wake up till I go to bed, it is so beyond worth it.

Being low on dopamine really screws with you. Not even dopamine fasts helped that. I tried everything possible before resigning myself to try it after my wife kept pushing for it for months. She saw more than I did how much it was affecting me.

Interesting subs had a wierd impact. I found I am able to internalize subs a lot quicker and speed through reconciliation faster. I was using ZP before trying medicine.

[Azriel]

@Pyro

Interesting subs had a wierd impact. I found I am ablrnto internalize subs a lot quicker and speed through reconciliation faster. I was using ZP before trying medicine.

You’re able to internalize subs quicker and speed through reconciliation faster on medicine?

[Pyro]

I seem to, I could be wrong. Everything clicked into place in my head, the stars aligned and pointed me to my truest desires.

The only thing I can think of why this could happen is that my brain is no longer searching for Dopamine which is allowing it to use its energy on internalizing the subs quicker.

[Fractal_Explorer]

Thanks. I was just curious I was on it for a bit as well. It gave me energy, but also anxiety so I had to stop. Ironically the stimulant I take now has a more calming effect. The brain’s response to drugs are definitely weird with ADHD.

@Pyro

I seem to, I could be wrong. Everything clicked into place in my head, the stars aligned and pointed me to my truest desires.

The only thing I can think of why this could happen is that my brain is no longer searching for Dopamine which is allowing it to use its energy on internalizing the subs quicker.

If I had to take a guess why the medication helped with the subs is because increased emotional regulation as well as executive functioning. I think the subs rely on a lot of organizing, executing, planning, and follow through. When ADHD impairs that, there’s a limited capacity for things to manifest. Not entirely absent, but it could be way better.

Either way glad to hear you got things sorted and your results with the subs are taking off now.

[Pyro]

I have noticed a slight uptick in anxiety, but Emperor is using that to fuel me to action. It feels literally like an alchemical change. I am monitoring it but this happiness so beyond worth it.

Just because I feel great, doesn’t mean the symptoms vanish, if anything I am so much more aware of them and able to not let them control me like a ragdoll. I asked my wife of she noticed uptick in adhd behavior and she said not at all, you are always this way. So I think my brain no more marred in the depths of cyclical depression is able to be aware of a lot more.

[Desmond]

@TheDerpinator

What would you guys say is the best sub to really ground you and put your energy to good use on the physical? That get shit done mentality. I guess what im lookingn for is some sub to push me out of bed in the morning and get me to work on what needs to be done that day.

Ascended Mogul is what you need.

[Fractal_Explorer]

@Pyro

Just because I feel great, doesn’t mean the symptoms vanish, if anything I am so much more aware of them and able to not let them control me like a ragdoll. I asked my wife of she noticed uptick in adhd behavior and she said not at all, you are always this way. So I think my brain no more marred in the depths of cyclical depression is able to be aware of a lot more.

Yeah, I’m always keeping an open mind that it may be possible to transcend these symptoms completely. But I’m 30 now and have put an ass load of work into all manners of self help healing and methodologies. I’d think by this point I would have been over it by now if that were the case. I guess I want to believe deep down that there’s a way to overcome it and not limit myself. But these subs aren’t and shouldn’t be a first line of treatment for ADHD.

[friday]

@Pyro

When I saw the RIGHT psychiatrist, he did not give me a stimulant right away and instead opted for something else that is an antidepressant that is also used to to treat ADHD. It is not a drug that can be abused like adderall and your medical doctor could prescribe it. If you stop you are just sad for 1 or 2 days but then back to normal

Can you share the name of the medication please?

[Pyro]

Bupropion

[friday]

@Pyro

Bupropion

At what dose?

[Pyro]

Ehhh I don’t want to share too much information, I feel like I already shared too much. This is something that needs to be discussed with a doctor.

[Athanaxos]

I’m just gonna add my two cents and vouch for Commander. Not the obvious choice, but where Executive and Limitless Executive induced too much recon for me, the Commander was Pacha edit Just Right. It also has executive scripting, but not as heavy or slightly different, I would guess.

Give it a shot, and see if it works for you!

[subliminalguy]

I know this is an old thread, but I read it today on my phone while at work. I read @Pyro’s post of his before and after ADHD treatment, and…it has me wondering if I’m affected by it.

Could anyone share a site which helped them see and accept that ADHD was a major issue affecting them? I know some good sites exist, but I find only cold, statistical sites on page 1 of Google.

I’m on DR presently, Stage 1, but my daily self-incrimination was spotlighted when @Fractal_Explorer shared this:

@Fractal_Explorer

I don’t think you need discipline. That sounds like a reflection of criticisms you might have gotten in childhood from authority figures who didn’t understand why there was that “laziness”.

I’m incredibly harsh on myself, and I’m wondering if ADHD may be aggravating it. I’ve never been treated or diagnosed for it. I only became more aware of it after college when I began researching ADD. I always assumed ADHD was just hyperactivity on steroids (a general analogy). But I still use coffee to help calm my thoughts. I focus better when caffeinated.

[Fractal_Explorer]

@subliminalguy

Could anyone share a site which helped them see and accept that ADHD was a major issue affecting them? I know some good sites exist, but I find only cold, statistical sites on page 1 of Google.

Make sure you’re searching for Adult ADHD. But other than that I’m sad to say that you won’t find a lot. The full scope of ADHD is still being explored and how it fully effects the brain.

I know it’s a controversial opinion but reddit is actually highly informative for ADHD. If you go to r/ADHD. Some of the knowledge on there is actually more informed than some therapists out there. As much of an echo chamber it can be, I’ve never found another place so on top of how this disorder can impact you.

[MadaraUchiha]

@Athanaxos

I’m just gonna add my two cents and vouch for Commander.

@Desmond

Ascended Mogul is what you need.

can you both please give more details on your experience with these product?

my problem is procrastination meaning that I know what i need to do but i can NOT make myself do it.

i have had this problem for years.

I was diagnosed around 2 years ago with adhd but the medication only helped 20-30% and came with negative side effects so i stopped taking it.

do you guys think commander or ascended mogul could help me?

again, I know what i need to do, for example right now im sitting here on the forum when i know exactly what tasks i should complete to get closer to my life goals, but im unable to force myself to do these tasks and instead i was just watching prank videos on youtube and now im here on the forum.

do you guys think commander or ascended mogul could help me?

also, are you guys talking about the ZP version of these 2 products?

and btw, i have already tried Mogul ZP and it did NOT help at all with my procrastination problem.

[Athanaxos]

I can’t say anything about AM and productivity personally as such since I haven’t used it in a long time, and not in ZP.

But I guess that with ADHD-related issues also comes a bit of internal trauma and also limiting beliefs about executive functions and output/productivity which might slog you down, and I think AM could help alleviate some of that, which I suppose in turn could help with your over all well being and thus also your output. Like you would free up internal processes that you can turn towards productivity, but that’s just me speculating…

Many times procrastination itself is a coping mechanism for something else - so healing whatever causes the internal stress that you (might) have that you want to avoid might help you not wanting to procrastinate any more. Maybe AM can help with that.

Regarding Commander… back in the good 'ol Qv2 days (haha) I kicked of my workdays with a loop of Commander and it did wonders for me. I could feel a clear difference in productivity and way less procrastination from the days I ran it compared to when I didn’t - so the executive scripting in that certainly helped me. I also carried with me limiting beliefs about my productivity and my executive functions from ADD myself, and I felt that the lighter executive scripting in Commander was more gentle and less recon inducing compared to say Executive or Executive Limitless. This was without medication as well.

I haven’t tried Commander ZP yet as I just got my diagnosis and am currently trying out ze meds, but it’s worth a shot no? Try it for 30 days and if it’s not working then ask for a refund

Maybe a stack of both Commander ZP and Ascended Mogul (or) Ascension ZP would be what you need right now? Healing + lighter executive scripting?

I don’t think Mogul itself is the right choice right now, as it’s geared towards making riches and empire building( (I think…?), which is difficult if you have internal blockages regarding productivity where you are right now.

At least that’s my personal thoughts about it…

Did any of that resonate with you?

[MadaraUchiha]

@Athanaxos

Regarding Commander… back in the good 'ol Qv2 days (haha) I kicked of my workdays with a loop of Commander and it did wonders for me. I could feel a clear difference in productivity and way less procrastination from the days I ran it compared to when I didn’t

thank you for sharing all this.

regarding this quoted part…

why are you using adhd medication if you get such a good effect from just using commander?

why not just keep using commander instead of using medication?

or are you saying the effect i have quoted here eventually stopped happening and that is why you now need medication?

[Athanaxos]

Excellent question, and my answer to that is that I yielded Commander and everything else as well when all ze shiney ZP titles came out as I wanted to try them out. I felt that running a Qv2 daily alongside the ZP titles was too much for me to handle. Also, I currently want to run other titles…

I also just got my ADD diagnosis and I wanted to get a feeling for what the medication could potentially do for me when eventually I find the right dosage, so I have stayed away from executive titles to a larger degree to more accurately evaluate it’s proper effect.

So in short, I haven’t tried Commander ZP yet so at the moment I can’t compare it against using those meds.

Sometime in the future however I am planning on pausing the meds and try using subs for executive functions and see what happens…

I hope that answered your question?

[Fractal_Explorer]

This is a painful thing to deal with. I’d agree with @Athanaxos here. The emotional impact of being like that for most your life shouldn’t be brushed aside. ADHD is hard to deal with, the recurring theme we get told over and over is to just “try harder”.

I do think AM or ascension could help. And depending if you feel you can fit it in, love bomb too. AM or Ascension will help you build up internal strength to navigate your own life and love bomb will help you feel better about understanding those challenges and not beating yourself up about it heavily. One thing I’ve learned is the shame and guilt spiral that comes with ADHD can very easily lead to more stress, which makes things more difficult, which leads to more quick dopamine seeking activities to avoid the task that might be causing the discomfort.