Ive been having this on and off since I discovered subs idk if its a trick from the mind or that my body really needs rest 
and im sure its not overload, cause ive experienced overload in the past, it feels like youre a slime , very heavy very chunky it feels yikes
however this one feels like being tired after you wakeup, then if you wait 3-4 minuts the feeling goes away its a very weird trick, but it feels like your body is dying for more sleep
Should i push and ignore this? Or respond to my body and sleep more?
If your body is reacting in a way that is not the usual (eg- too much sleep, too little sleep, anger, depression, etc) the solution is always:
And/or
PS: also mention such findings in your journal. SaintSovereign and Fire are reading them and will use such feedback to make the product better. Also mention how many loops you reduced by and how many rest days you took due to such issues. Such info is useful.
im at 1 loops of each program im running ascension and LDU
the problem is that this thing comes and goes, so idk what causes it really, but sometimes it comes sometimes it doesnt happen
but it looks to me like a trick, cause once i stay up from bed for 3 mins, this whole effect goes away
Have you tried taking 2 rest days?
I’m also getting a bit irregular sleep, but can’t get a real read on it. There have been some non sub related reasons this past week that has been affecting my sleep too.
However, yesterday was the second time I listened to two loops (WANTED & Paragon) and this time it didn’t totally drain my energy.
Maybe it’s part of the 10-14 days acclimation period when switching to ZP?
For me , there is not really sleep “issue”.
But I tend to get up after 4 - 5 hours sleep , I can’t then go back to sleep for 1 hour .
And then maybe 1- 2 hours I go back to sleep again .
But I am not tired after waking up.
Yup. This is exactly the same for me. I thought it was Ultimate Artist Qv2 waking me up but I think it is ZP energy (from WANTED ZP and Paragon ZP).
I run my stack before sleep and find it easy to sleep (not drowsy). And maybe the energy arrives 4 to 5 hours after sleep. And that’s when we wake up.
Will tag @SaintSovereign and @Fire to look into this thread.
No ive been following the regular standard instructions
First thought i had,
Cause i read a lot that first 2 weeks on subs or after a washout, or from switching programs you subconscious reacts differently
And you might see some sleep issues
I think thats what’s happening on my side, cause i just finished a washout like 10 days ago
You can take more rest days if you want to. It’s recommended by SubClub if you feel the sleep issue (or any recon) persists and makes you tired (or angry or irritated) even after too many days.
I used to do that on Qv2. And during ZP Testing. Will do the same if anything like that happens during ZP Preview too. It helps a lot.
So
D1 - ZP
D2 - Rest
D3 - Rest
D4 - Qv2
D5 - Rest
D6 - Rest
D7 - ZP
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Can be done ?
Yes it can. If you need more rest, it isn’t against listening instructions.
@gdbdboy - try it for one week and then try going back to standard listening instructions. Maybe by then your mind will be used to the new subliminals.
If not do the “2 Rest days” for another week and then again go back to standard listening instructions.
Basically we are giving the mind more processing time by giving it more rest and rest days.
Try some chamomile tea before you head to bed 
will try it out!