What would the effect of combining these two things be? Given that the former temporarily opens up the mind a lot, could we see subs be very effective when one listens to them during a trip/activation?
I use both, haven’t noticed anything exceptionally noteworthy about the combo
Both are extremely powerful individually
I’ve never listened to subs DURING a trip though and would never plan to
I have had pretty positive experiences micro dosing shrooms. I either get real fast results or just blast through recon. Seems like my subconscious is more open to the script.
Btw not condoning anyone to use shrooms, just posting my personal experience
This is what I was theorizing. That the subconscious would become much more open to the script, and that listening during a trip could cause major breakthroughs.
It could also have the unintended side effect of it being state-dependent. Where you have to be high again later to access the same state of mind as when you ran the sub.
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I know when I use cannabis I get to experience a lot of my subconscious consciously (which is kind of the point), so whatever subliminal input is running within me becomes embodied right there and then, it’s very cool and makes it more obvious what the effect of the subliminal is on me.
Like insider insight. Helps with reconciling as well. But it’s a whole other subject how to work with this level of information through the cannabis experience.
And I’m not talking about daily consumption that numbs the subconscious awareness, I’m talking occasional use.
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Do you feel it caused any issues running subs outside of when you’re high?
I was talking about what I experience with cannabis use as a subliminal user, I only use occasionally cannabis and only rarely ran a sub while high.
Nothing much to report on this, it works either way for me.
A mushroom trip is another ballgame, very different type of experience, you can travel very far with it, you are open wide with psilocybin, the only thing I can think of that could make sense to listen to is RoS.
I’m not a shaman so take this advice with a spoon of salt 
my advice
Let this idea go.
Trip first - come down properly wait a day or 2 and if it realy feels right then put the subs into you.
Wait even longer until you put subs in again.
You allready enhanced your brain with shrooms, why trying to download new software when you reboot the computer?
Its kinda nuts
Reboot first download software later
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I don’t believe this analogy is accurate my friend.
We are not machines, consciousness doesn’t work this way.
A trip is not a reboot, it’s a journey into more expansive awareness.
Receiving guidance before or during the journey is not nuts, it’s actually very helpful and traditionally a shaman’s function to be there and guide.
If you don’t have that, I believe a sub like RoS before or during the trip can be an interesting form of guidance.
Is it essential? Of course not, you can just experience the journey on your own and see where your own intentions, conscious and unconscious, take you.
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Actually shrooms are known to reset the brains DMN (default mode network) system, perhaps that’s what @Leandros meant by reboot, and the caution expressed about mixing with subs during the trip.
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@SoulFire I didn’t talk to you directly - sorry for the misunderstanding.
It was meant for @SubliminalUser
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No worries, I still mean what I wrote.
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And I’d still lean on what you wrote. I was considering that maybe listening during a trip would be too disruptive, but in the days following a trip (given how the brain becomes more flexible temporarily) could be a good time to set new habits and practices, and receive the programming of subs.
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I actually thought of the neuroplasticity angle too, although under the context of lion’s mane (a different type of shroom, lol).
I don’t think there’s going to be a one size fits all answer to that; I personally wouldn’t, it would probably depend on how familiar with that particular ally you are.
Have had similar experiences to @SoulFire with the herb and subs, with the same type of usage. Certain abilities of mine become active only when this type of activation is present, although my spiritual practices are geared towards trying to fix this. I’d never recommend how someone else should operate their own subconscious; with that said, just seeing how much a single plant or chemical can alter your brain’s access to information tells you all you need to about this topic: proceed with caution, danger will robinson, experimental, etc.
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Thanks.
Overall, this is probably not a good idea. Using a psychedelic while in the throes of recon would not be pleasant. I strongly urge that if you are going to do this, you do it during an extended washout in the integration phase and in accordance with the laws of where you live, taking your medical history into account.
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Ah. So not even on a rest day?
Nah, recon can hit during rest days. I just don’t see that situation being fun or enlightening at all.
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