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@AMASH
I need some advice please

I rushed trhough khan from stage 1 to 4, because i was looking for quick results back then.
I have experienced the changes in me, even though they have not been anything external (apart from one manifestation, if you know what i mean ;)), I have had enough changes in me to be happy with sticking to any sub!
and as a result i am not rushing for results on any sub anymore.

I am currently: QLSt2, EOG ST1, KST4. Planning to Stay on QLSt2 and EOGSt1 for an extended period of time.

I was thinking of

  • going back to KST1( swapping out ST4) and staying there for a while
    Or
  • stacking KST1 with my current Stack
    Or
  • adding limit destroyer to my current stack ( Since i belive this destroys limit in all areas of life and KST4 aims a destroying more of the social side oriented limits.)

What would your advice be?

Thanks!

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Ok, so if I understood you correctly @mecharc, you have used Khan, saw results, and that led you to switch to the stack of QLSt2, EOG ST1, KST4 + limit destroyer? So moving for 1 multi-stage sub, to 3 multi-stage subs + a stacking module?

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What I understand from that post is this:

Point 1
Although he may have passed through Khan relatively quickly, he was still impressed by the results that he got with the program, and so he has a general sense of confidence in the power of subliminals.

Point 2
Heā€™s now on a plan in which heā€™s running three major programs (Quantum Limitless, Ecstasy of Gold, and a maintenance stack of Khan). Due to his original experiments, heā€™s now comfortable to run all of these for a longer period of time in order to experience deeper and fuller results.

Point 3 - the main question
For his maintenance stack of Khan, heā€™s wondering if it would be more beneficial to use stage 4 of Khan, or whether he should start the Khan program over from the beginning and whether that would deliver a more comprehensive effect. (i.e., somewhere in between a maintenance stack and ā€˜starting over from scratchā€™).

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I see an assumption there that might be very different to reality.

@mecharc is new. The only person I know who ran 3 multi-stages at once is the veteran @DarkPhilosopher, and even him, it took him 6 months of struggle and pain before he began to see results. He can confirm this, and I am pretty sure if he had to do it all over again, @DarkPhilosopher wouldnā€™t repeat running 3 multi-stages at once.

And @Malkuth, that was a rhetorical question to help @mecharc clarify things for himself, so that he builds up his own confidence and independence. That is a much more helpful way of approaching things, to encourage others to grow, than to give them the easy answers :wink:

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Iā€™ll admit that I kind of knew thatā€™s what you were doing; but wasnā€™t willing to wager on the odds of that Socratic approach working, (especially with the possible distorting static of cross-comments that can occur in an online forum. At this point, thereā€™s something of a periodic tendency to pile on the noble @mecharc, with his admittedly mercurial and dramatic past listening patterns). Iā€™ll probably just let it ride next time. :pray:t6:

Peace and respect

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Hi! My name is DarkPhilosopher and I approve of this message.

:slight_smile:


Sorry to hear about your family stuff. Itā€™s harsh.

Iā€™m not very familiar with your culture, but most moms will love their children even if they are disappointed with them. And as a woman, she will likely forgive even if she never forgets. But first, you have to forgive yourself.

Also know that a heartfelt apology (at the right time) is not a sign of weakness or PCC failing you any more than opening up a door or pulling out a chair for a woman. Or joining a 10 year old at the table because their mind simply doesnā€™t ā€œgetā€ the adult hierarchy yet.

On the contrary, an apology can be a very effective ā€œstrategyā€ to diffuse a situation. I rarely apologize for my behavior, although I may sometimes admit I could have handled things better. But when I do apologize, I truly mean it and that shows. And often the person I apologize to will indicate they may have overreacted.

As I said, I am not familiar with your culture, but we are all human under it, right? Forgive yourself, accept the situation without getting stuck in it, take a deep breath and figure out where to go from here. Maybe you both need to focus on other things for a little while.

If you think Iā€™m completely wrong, thatā€™s your right. Iā€™m not going to apologize for it. :wink:

And now back to the answer to AMASHā€¦


I recently came to the realization that itā€™s almost impossible to give each sub the time it requires every day. I would probably have to listen for 5 months per stage to get to the point where Iā€™ve gotten everything out of a stage. Especially now that Iā€™m back at work, trying to learn new stuff and figuring out my new rhythm.

Even though action taking is great to get the most out of your subs, it also takes energy away that your subconscious uses to process those subs. So the more active my life becomes, the longer I should stick to a stage.

Iā€™m not complaining, but AMASH was right about two things (well, heā€™s probably right about a lot of things).

First, Iā€™m a veteran, I can switch from hyper-active to meditative in seconds and my mind can deal with the massive scripts without throwing me into a reconciliation roller-coaster. It can process a lot without getting stressed. And even when things are too much, it will drop the rest rather than pile it on and try to deal with it.

To others, it may pile up until they lose their composure because their mind is getting too overwhelmed to keep up trained behavior and so it goes primal, ejecting all that energy in all directions. Something that might have happened in your case.

Second, I shall always recommend against running more than two major subs at once. If I had to do it all over again, knowing that I had time enough to go slow, I would have done them one by one. Khan first, then add in EoG once I was comfortable at Khan ST4, and replace Khan ST4 with Alchemist ST1 once I got comfortable with EoG ST4. Always running only two at a time, one of them having already completed at ST4.


As a matter of fact, I have been feeling strange lately. Even though Iā€™ve been experiencing lots of changes lately and my life is taking off (finally), I feel like Iā€™m hitting a plateau. Like my mind has reached a point of exhaustion with my stack.

Now I could take a break from subs, but that doesnā€™t feel right either. So instead I asked Saint if I could get EmpQ as well. Running it exclusively for a little while will give me a suitable ā€œshock to the systemā€ that should break through the perceived plateau and allow me to switch back to my own stack afterwards. The effects will probably be quite noticeable, which would make Saint happy.

What works for me may not work for others. Itā€™s awesome you have opted out of EmpQ, mecharc. Resisting impulses and temptation is a lesson everybody should learn.

Regarding your admission before all your family issues startedā€¦

You should also know that for the past few weeks I have been engaging in a lot of sex, alone and otherwise. So much that it makes me late to work and drains my energy. So even after months of good work, I too experience a regression in that department every other month or so. It happens, we are men after all. Youā€™ll have times where you ignore sex altogether and times when you canā€™t get enough of it. Times when Internet porn is super boring but mental fantasies will make you waste hours while you play them out, and times when you need the endless instant variety without using your imagination that the Internet brings. Donā€™t be too hard on yourself. Few people can transmute their sexual energy while their mind is busy telling them to go hump somebodyā€™s leg.

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Deep truth right here. Listen to @DarkPhilosopher guys. Heā€™s dark, and heā€™s a philosopher, and heā€™s right :wink:

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  1. Everything I wanted to tell you is already in my older replies. Iā€™m still waiting for you to understand & implement them. Itā€™s ok. I know it can take time.

  2. I canā€™t make out any clear picture of what your current Goals & Actions are. So, it doesnā€™t really matter what youā€™re listening to.
    Iā€™d rather be the cool-guru who lets you enjoy the scripts, than be a tor-mentor.

:wink:

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@Malkuth you got my points but I also agree with @AMASH (he is a mental magician)
there is some problem from my end at explaining. Let me start again.

I rushed khan up to ST3 till DEC. My initial rush and dramatic listening patterns where to get a immediate sense and feeling of higher status. That feeling here now. So everything else can wait!

Jan- I started KST3 and QL1

Feb- Is where I started seeing prominent changes in me and I was very comfortable with the stack

In mid Feb, I thought of Moving to KST4 and QLSt2 (after 45 days of Qlst1) ā€¦ The stack felt so good, I became greedy with saving time and thought of adding EOG St1.
Kst4- just for the Drive and Push
EOG St1- focusing on the financial side, destroy the limiting belief that everything will be taken care for me / Iā€™m taking my most active part in family business yet (I donā€™t officially work there, just taking up dealing with some suppliers that my dad handles)ā€¦ How ever, I have no confidence in independent earning yet.
Ql 2- aid me with learning Programming/ and master degree completion.

Iā€™ve been running this stack for about 5 daysā€¦ And I feel amazing.
Today, I felt like I rushed through kSt1 too fast, so was thinking that going back to it would be a good idea.
Please discard my portion highlighting LD ( I donā€™t even own it).
The reason I wanna go back to ST1 is to destroy all limitations holding me back from taking social action. But my definition of social action is not going to parties and picking up chicks. I donā€™t find it difficult to talk to girls, but I find it difficult to form strong connection with the Alphas.

@Simon- I could never express it properly, but previously no matter what i was saying my goal was, I was looking for something that would elevate my sense and feeling of status immediately. When I was doing st1 to ST3 that was my inherent desire. I now feel my status is elevated up to a satisfactory extent.
How do I understand this? Many subtle things, for ecample. Before I would communicate with people as if their impression of me was at their disposal, this led me to be very wishy washy with them, now Iā€™m donā€™t communicate with anyone to please them, and this comes internally.

Now my main goal is to free up the financial side of life, which is at 0, I am in no hurry but I must free up before my safety bubble pops.- EOG

With future entrepreneurship intentions, I have started learning Programming with no CS background. Thatā€™s why I have QL
EOG will help me with this regard in the future.

KSt4 is there for the drive, and maintaining the sat

@DarkPhilosopher Iā€™m getting nervous with my decision now

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If you feel amazing, keep running this stack.

Stay at Khan ST4, so that you let EoG ST clear up the money problems, since your finances are at 0 as you said.

Keep doing what is working :wink:

DarkPhilosopher did not feel good on his stack, so if what youā€™re doing works, thatā€™s the only proof you need to keep going!

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Interesting thing I have noticed.

Infront of new people I meet, I am an Charismatic Alpha. (Given no one i know pre subclub journey is there)

How ever, infront of older acqauntences i still am uncharismatic.

Although I am not a pushover or a people pleaser in any situation anymore.

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26 years of Beta programming wonā€™t go away in 5 months

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Why donā€™t you feel charismatic? Did other people gave you the feeling or did you come to the conclusion alone?

I was thinking about that lately too.

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I think most people fall back into old beliefs around ā€œoldā€ acquaintances. Plus, itā€™s very hard to shake that feeling that they have already seen another side of you. Itā€™s like a teenager getting embarrassed at their high school and wishing they could switch to a new one to re-invent themselves. I have the same at workplaces. The women there already saw a worse side of me and the colleagues would frown upon my becoming more alpha, disrupting the closely guarded social hierarchy. It feels ā€œstrangeā€ to display new behavior. So I get stuck in old ways.

Itā€™s not true, of course. The change can happen gradually and although some may comment on it, most would not notice it until it was too late. But still, people always fall back into old behavior when exposed to their old environment.

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@DarkPhilosopher I can relate to everything youā€™ve said

@friday Itā€™s something like, with new people, the charisma comes naturally. With old people I gotta consciously force it out.

Although, I am naturally leading the way in some cases where previously I would have just sat around following the leader. (old acquaintance).
Note: in some cases, not all.

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Back in November, I had the same exact issue while running khan. Further, me constantly trying and failing to change this made me that much more frustrated.
Strangely After I have started Ev4 and added on commander, I dont feel any need to enforce any kind of change in anything at all, it all comes naturally. And now I unintentionally end up dominating in most of the social gatherings with both old and new people.

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Been studying Auto Suggestion chapter frmm think and grow rich.
I wrote out a small meditation using those principles,
And some emotion instilling techniques for more effective affirmations.
I will share the entire thing here. So more people people may benefit

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To misquote a spiritual leader:

If you think youā€™re so [alpha], why donā€™t you spend a weekend with your familyā€¦

It happens.

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I am going Back to Australia Day after tomorrow.

I am feeling very sad.

I just hope i donā€™t get into depression back there down under

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I can make friends easily, but after some time i sort of lose their interest and the intial close bond.

So, for the above reason, i am a loner in Australia and everywhere in the world. Back home I have my family.

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