Season 3: Fire Versus Saint (9.2.24)

[emperor_obewan]

@Lion

I think it’s time to get the SubClub test group to try something like this to see if we can run more than 3 titles in a stack using microloops.

Well I’ve been doing this myself for the last couple of years pushing the boundaries of what is possible with a stack and rotations. I just don’t talk about it as much as I could because it’s not considered… erm, polite

But you know in my over four years of being on these forums I have never once been invited to be part of some elite test group, lol. I guess I was just considered too much of a wild one

I agree with the sentiments though, and what I believe I have found during my time experimenting with ZP is that this strategy works best when taking appropriate breaks between sets of rotations, and ensuring that the subs being run harmonize together well, so that there’s a lot of overlap between the goals. And although I’ve overexposed many times, I’ve found this general strategy works well, especially when it is combined with strategies to improve processing times which plenty of folks have discussed.

I hope people take the feedback from people who don’t stick strictly to the guidelines (and treat them more in their spirit rather than their letter) onboard; I’m pretty sure it will make moving towards ZP Union a lot easier.

[Lion]

@emperor_obewan

Well I’ve been doing this myself for the last couple of years pushing the boundaries of what is possible with a stack and rotations. I just don’t talk about it as much as I could because it’s not considered… erm, polite

Yeah I understand. Had to discourage some users myself to not do so so that new users wouldn’t fly off into recon land lol.

@emperor_obewan

I agree with the sentiments though, and what I believe I have found during my time experimenting with ZP is that this strategy works best when taking appropriate breaks between sets of rotations, and ensuring that the subs being run harmonize together well, so that there’s a lot of overlap between the goals. And although I’ve overexposed many times, I’ve found this general strategy works well, especially when it is combined with strategies to improve processing times which plenty of folks have discussed

With microloops though, I wonder if this is more possible now.

If Saint and Fire allow it, we could create a separate thread for these experiments where we use microloops and run more than 3 titles.

This way we can collect data from the forum to see what can we done to increase our stack size.

Maybe like Synergy modules are for customs, microloops could help increase what one can do with more main store titles.

No more stack destruction when titles are new or updated. It will be stack multiplier!

[emperor_obewan]

@Lion

If Saint and Fire allow it, we could create a separate thread for these experiments where we use microloops and run more than 3 titles.

I think that’s a really good idea. It could be on a Black thread if that helps to avoid new users getting the wrong idea.

Also, I’ve been finding ideas coming through recently that are more advanced level stuff which might be better appreciated by people who have had a chance to work with the subs for an extended period of time.

Example: connections between Raikov modelling and unity consciousness as linked below:

Giants in Patagonia, mate! (Limitless, RoS, LB, KB)

Morning flash of insight while reading about the Raikov Effect. The swapping heads technique, the “As-If” technique, and so on – what is it really? It’s just a half-assed attempt to apply the principle of advaita to learning! (as outlined above, unity consciousness aka guru bhakti with another person in the place of the guru) That means, if I can master this technique of advaita, I can improve my ability to use the Raikov Effect one hundred fold! What about using Patanjali’s meditation techn…

I’m also still interested in the idea of an off-forum IRC/WhatsApp or whatever where people can discuss their far out ideas without getting the company in potential legal trouble, where everyone takes responsibility for vetting the shared ideas for themselves. It’s been floated several times before but I’ve yet to see more than a little limited off-forum discussion.

[RockyHandsome]

@Lion

separate thread for these experiments where we use microloops and run more than 3 title

Yes, we could include a disclaimer stating that this is experimental and is in no way a recommended guideline on how to listen to your stack

[Lion]

@RockyHandsome

Yes, we could include a disclaimer stating that this is experimental and is in no way a recommended guideline on how to listen to your stack

Yes. Although I will be sticking to 3 titles this time.

I ran customs a lot over this year and I want to focus on just 3 main store titles for a while.

But I will be testing out microloops though. Haven’t given microloops a good try and 2025 will be my year to start doing so.

So in a way am doing my own experiments with microloops even though they have been proven to work lol.

[HyperMan]

I hope this experimental thing won’t be allowed as @WorldOvertaker and I were severely warned/scolded by @Fire & @SaintSovereign in our journals. It wouldn’t be fair at all to allow another public experiment like that.

[RockyHandsome]

Maybe its better members continue with testing underground. I am scared Fire or SaintSovereign will be angry.

Your clever @HyperMan

[Judoka]

Yes its true results take longer with more titles,but im also in this for the long run,its a long term custom so i can just focus on work without worrying about switching subliminals or getting fomo when a new title drops.

Plus you will still get all the results anyway.

[Sub.Zero]

@Judoka

results take longer with more titles

I would say with less focused action. If you run more titles yet helping your intelligence (mind) focus on certain action and its outcome, at the same time helping you overcome subjective limitations, you would be more than okay.

It’s not like taking too many pills but choosing the right toolbox.

Subs are no magic pills but tools to help you do THE WORK. Always choose the toolbox you can make most of, doing what you need to do, and helping you bridge the “mental” gaps (missing links) towards your desired outcome.

Do what you must and become what you must with what there is at your disposal.

[Plutus]

I hope a new year’s miracle happens where it comes out next week or before mid-January

[TheGreenMan]

[Disclaimer 1: Never have been part of a test group, no idea how test groups are structured @ SC.
Disclaimer 2: I’m running AoH as my 4th sub right now.]

Not sure a test group in a customer setting would make sense tbh. To get proper data, you would need control groups, @AnswerGroup would’ve to set the subs to run, for how long, in what order, taking into account how long a participant have already been listening to what before, trying to measure results etc. Personally speaking, I wouldn’t want to run subs like that. Totally get why @SaintSovereign is jealous of us, as we just get to play as we like with the subs or as long as they need to fully unfold their results.

Another problem would be complexity of instructions. You would have to take into account how dense a title is, e. g. 4 Stage4 subs probably shouldn’t be okay, light/heavy titles/Artisan/customs, how long a customer has already listened to subs (counting listening days and listening time) etc.

Easier solution could be expanding on the AC concept for a 4th title, AoH feels comparable light and easy, MDFY: Now customs could probably fall into this category.

@Lion

[Lion]

@TheGreenMan

Another problem would be complexity of instructions. You would have to take into account how dense a title is, e. g. 4 Stage4 subs probably shouldn’t be okay, light/heavy titles/Artisan/customs, how long a customer has already listened to subs (counting listening days and listening time) etc.

Easier solution could be expanding on the AC concept for a 4th title, AoH feels comparable light and easy, MDFY: Now customs could probably fall into this category.

I think these are very good ideas for running a light title as the 4th title in the stack. Somewhat like how we used to run Ultimas back in Q-tech days as the 4th title in the stack.

Maybe we can categorise which of the titles in the main store will qualify as a booster or “ZP Ultima” provided we run it as a microloop.

EDIT: ran UWX for 30s yesterday night and I feel I can express myself much better both in speech and writing today.

[Simon]

@TheGreenMan

no idea how test groups are structured @ SC.
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To get proper data, you would need control groups, @AnswerGroup would’ve to set the subs to run, for how long, in what order, taking into account how long a participant have already been listening to what before, trying to measure results etc. Personally speaking, I wouldn’t want to run subs like that.

Yup. Same reason I never joined an official test group.

Here’s the 12,000 posts thread from when Zero Point Technology was tested publicly.

Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental) (Part 1)

12.1.21 – ZP Preview Titles Live: Chosen Wanted Diamond Limitless R.I.C.H. Paragon Sage Immortal Spartan Gaming Mastery X Primal Seduction Regeneration – Application live: Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental) - #179 by SaintSovereign Zero Point is the current name (subject to change) for a highly experimental, drastically different build that we’re currently developing based upon new research that we’ve conducted. Zero Point is currently NOT related to Q+ and…

Enjoy.

[FireDragon]

@Lion

I think these are very good ideas for running a light title as the 4th title in the stack.

Free the 4th slot! Join the Rebellion! NOW

[ksub]

Whether more titles take more time to produce results or not depends on the titles themselves and your actions. You’d be splitting your mental resources if you ran three titles with little or no overlap. If you take no action, your ass would end up in reconciliation.

Here is an example. If you run ASBR + RICH + EOG, that would be three money-making subs. If you consistently and relentlessly take focused money-making actions, you’d be creating avenues for the subs to manifest powerful results because you’d be focused on one goal: making money. All your mental resources would be working towards that. The subs would cover different aspects of the goal and synergize powerfully. Alignment of the goals, subs, and actions is a beautiful thing.

Similarly, if your goal is status and leadership and you run Emperor Daddy + Chosen + GLM, and if you’re out there interacting with people and also studying books on leadership, the subs would have an opportunity to shine.

Personally, I stopped running 3 subs a long time ago because I figured there’s nothing I can do with three subs that I can’t do with two carefully chosen subs. I also like to prioritize my goals and attack them with two subs. Sometimes I only run one. When I feel like I’ve made enough progress in one area or on one goal, I move on to the next one and I might choose different subs. Once again, alignment is a beautiful thing.

I really have no patience for moving at a snail’s pace by splitting my precious mental resources three ways and getting nothing done. My goals are too important and subs are just tools.

If you’ve ever trained in martial arts, you’ll probably understand why it’s infinitely better to fight holding one knife than holding two. Oftentimes, less is more.

[Lion]

@FireDragon

Free the 4th slot! Join the Rebellion! NOW

Haha! Free tbe 4th slot from the Cage.

[James]

@ksub

I really have no patience for moving at a snail’s pace by splitting my precious mental resources three ways and getting nothing done. My goals are too important and subs are just tools.

The exact reasons why I’m am sticking with one sub

[Parsifal]

As much as I’d like to have a 4th Slot Liberation Researcher Projekt Badge, I’m still not at a point where I can commit to any fixed times or stacks, risking to be in the blind group.
Once I have a good enough income (local average would be enough already), I’d be in, but not as long as I’m struggling.

[Parsifal]

@James

The exact reasons why I’m am sticking with one sub

The exact same reason why I’m sticking with one goal: Finding and Eliminating the one obstacle that stops me from working.

[Lion]

@Parsifal

As much as I’d like to have a 4th Slot Liberation Researcher Projekt Badge, I’m still not at a point where I can commit to any fixed times or stacks, risking to be in the blind group.
Once I have a good enough income (local average would be anough already), I’d be in, but not as long as I’m struggling.

That’s okay. Am sure there will be many takers to test this out.

Even I am not going to test this now. Am currently in a place that needs more focus.