Reconciliation: good or bad?

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#12

if only subliminals where the real NZT pill

#13

Reconciliation in some way as you said good it shows that the subliminal is working however depending on who you are as a person( everyone is different with subliminals) it could mean either you need to recover and take a break or it’s a sign that you need to do something now that you have the power to do and that the effect is a sign telling you to start it now.

#14

I guess this answers my question then.

I am someone for whom it is easier to endure short phases of intense recon rather than longer phases of average level recon, thus I was thinking whether it would be wise to add loops and speed up the process by going through harsh phases of recon.

But if that leads to the risk of stonewalling, then it seems it is better to stick to advised ZP listening pattern.

However, if anyone knows a way of how to speed up results and integration at the cost of facing extrem recon for short amounts of time, then I am happy to hear about these experiences. Thanks.

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#15

  1. Add Emperor Black to your stack and take intensive action. wash. rinse. repeat.

  2. Experiment with incremental modifications to the listening guidelines, in order to find your own ideal ratio between integration of stimuli and rejection of stimuli; your own OI (Optimal Intensity). This will involve increases in 2 to 3 potential domains: 1) number of concurrent subs, 2) number of loops, 3) frequency of play periods.

  3. If working with custom subliminals experiment with using the Terminus or Terminus2 builds.

Option 2 is the least dependable. Most potential to go awry. But it’s also the one that people choose most often (probably because it’s the easiest to imagine).

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#16

Wow great descriptions of what reconciliation is like. Gives me great insights from the view points of others.

Is reconciliation good or bad?
I don’t look in the direction of good or bad. I ask a different question all together because good or bad is always judgement. I stepped away from judgement and asked different questions to get different outcomes.

So what are some expansive questions we can ask about reconciliation?

  1. What’s is this?
  2. What can I do with this?
  3. Can I change this?
  4. If I can change this, if so how?
  5. What else is possible here?
  6. What question can I ask that would create a new reality?
  7. How does it get any better than this?
  8. How am I using this to my advantage or disadvantage?
  9. How is this working out for me?
  10. If I can have this any other way, what would I change?
  11. What are my view points about reconciliation? Are any of them lies you bought from others?
  12. I wonder what reconciliation is teaching me?

Edit. New questions come through.

  1. What do I truly believe about reconciliation?
  2. What beliefs do I have about reconciliation that is good or bad, right or wrong?
  3. Truth if I was truly being me, what would I choose?
  4. In this 10 seconds what can I choose about reconciliation?
  5. How can I make reconciliation work for me right away?
  6. Who am I being like when I’m feeling reconciliation?
  7. Who am I not being like when I’m feeling reconciliation?
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#17

Thank you for your fast reply Malkuth.

A few days ago, I have added Executive to my stack of Khan St 4 and LBFH. I felt like Emperor Black would contradict Khan’s harem goals and I don’t want to go monk mode but rather more out into the world, that’s why I have chosen Executive.

I actually do not know how I would be able to tell that this is happening.
Would this equal stonewalling and the absence of any reaction to the subliminal input?
All I know is that for me, more loops lead to more and harsher recon.

I also strongly believe that recon is something positive, especially anger recon, because it is a clear sign to me that I am replacing my old identity with a new one.

I am not at this stage yet. I am first building up a strong foundation with Khan and LBFH for at least 1-2 years (basically following Luther’s advice from his journal), before going to build my own first custom.

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Changes - Subliminalguy
#18

Here is yet another metaphor (borrowed from Ericksonian hypnosis) on how you can think of your unconscious: Think of it as a good friend.

If you want your friend to change, gentle persuasion might be a lot more effective than constant domineering nagging that might just push them away. They need time to process. They are more likely to listen to you if they experience that what you tell them is helpful to them. Sometimes too much tough lough will make them shut you off. Sometimes a fight can make you closer afterward, but constant fighting is not what you want.

And your friend might do really cool stuff with your input that is much better than what you might have thought of yourself. Your friend is much more useful to you if you allow them to find their own ideas, solutions, and approaches.

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#19

I’ve been experimenting with causing reconciliation in me on purpose and what I discovered is that if you succumb to beliefs and coping mechanisms that are contrary to the scripting you get recon and its intensity depends on how much those beliefs and mechanisms are against the scripting. Another thing is recon urges us to follow those “anti” beliefs and coping mechanisms and the stronger it is the more it urges us to do so. Therefore, one can easily fall into a reconciliation loop where the more those “anti” beliefs and coping mechanisms are against the scripting the more recon one gets that urges them to succumb to those “anti” beliefs and coping mechanisms even more which results in even stronger recon. The only way is to break out of it by our conscious choices and strong will.

@SaintSovereign @Fire

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#20

Yes. Stonewalling is rejecting the stimulus.

This is subjective. But I sometimes feel the same way. Particularly when I’m desperate for confirmation that something is happening.

A sound approach.

:muscle:t6:

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#21

Yes.

There’s a reason that Milton Erickson is considered so wise. Many reasons.

It is a good friend. And one with capacities, insights, and resources beyond our imaginations. Taking the time to develop a good relationship with it is a very small price to pay for the treasures it gives us in return.

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#22

We need to remember that anger is a defense mechanism at work activated when our survival gets imperiled, therefore, it can be a symptom that our mind is using its innate defensive mechanisms against the stimuli (the scripting).

Upon my long-term usage of subliminals, experimenting, experiencing, observation and introspection I assume that recon is bad (adverse to the execution and integration, therefore, diminishing our results) and we should avoid it or at least minimize it as much as we can. Why? Because reconciliation diminishes our immediate results then why should we believe it’s neutral to our long-term results? On top of that, our long-term results are built upon our immediate results, that is the results we get on a daily basis.

Edit:
Another thing is, I would get amazing results on one of the ZP prototypes immediately and they were consistent and now those immediate and strong results occur only when I start listening to a certain sub. They call in “the trailer effect” but it seems to me this is how the program works when you’re not overexposed (yet) and there’s no recon whatsoever (yet) and basically this is how it should affect you all the time provided you don’t get overexposed and you keep the recon at bay.

Edit2:
On the other hand, it may be that recon covers up most of the shifts that have occurred in you and they surface only when you’re done reconciling. Yet still, it looks like the safer route (the most beneficial - short-term and long-term) is to stick to benefiting from the immediate results, avoiding overexposure and minimizing the recon.

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#23

My question is if we get a reconciliation of the kind that you have to be in the couch all day (what I’m going through right now), or doing just some small tasks because we are very tired, then is there any good part of it? Isn’t this kind of strong reconciliation one that rejects the stimulus (stonewalling), or is the brain processing and learning (leading to a bloom in a few days)?

I’m not sure about the second hypothesis, because with this kind of recon, I’m not able to take action, and I’m not sure if the brain can learn some things without taking action, like healing from trauma with Love Bomb.

#24

Unless you’re truly and deeply inspired and compelled to delve into this topic, I’d say the following is enough:

  • play shorter loops
  • take strong action
  • get enough rest and exercise (and water)
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#25

I am truly and deeply inspired and compelled to delve into this topic.
Why wouldn’t I?

#26

That’s the plan

Today I’m too tired and it might be bad for me.

I’m also journaling and introspecting my dreams about love and power.

#27

Because sometimes it really is time to study and investigate 9000 pages on the theory and nature of fire;

Other times?

What you really need’s just a bucket of water.

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#28

And why do people study theory?

You don’t have to answer…

#29

I myself study theory. It’s probably my greater tendency.

But I find it very helpful to ‘take the piss’ out of my discursive, cognizing mind on a regular basis.

There are lots of good reasons to study theory. Not the least of which is that it (potentially) helps you to produce great resources, frameworks, and tools like the ones on offer right here at Sub Club. Saint and Fire have had to learn about how a great many different moving parts fit together and work in a highly diverse set of use-cases.

Learning is good. But it’s also a very effective escape-mechanism. So approach it humbly and with as clear a head as possible, I say. Icarus, Pandora, Daedalus, Chiron; they all paid their prices.

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#30

Well, I’m not the person for you to ‘take the piss’!
Actually no one is, and you as one of the Forum Leaders should be giving the example.

I’m only replying to you now because in the ultra recon state I have been for the past 2 weeks, I didn’t have patience to reply sooner nor to read all of your reply.

I was feeling really down, I asked for help, I didn’t agree with your initial advice of taking action, as I was too tired, and do you see the reply you gave me?

Just now I read this part of your reply, and I can now see your logic. This should have been the answer you should have given me from the start. You think I was trying to escape. But I don’t understand why and form what I would be trying to escape. You have to be more specific.

So going back to my initial question and detailing it, if you or anyone wants to answer:

Does the healing from Love Bomb occur internally in our minds without taking action?
For example, sometimes I randomly remember past events of my life and I immediately cry, when I’m listening to music, watching TV, when I’m in bed before sleep, etc. For me this seems like healing without taking action.

So could this huge recon period, being on the couch many times and sleeping in the afternoons be the case that my mind has been processing internally lots of trauma and healing in an intensive way, or did my mind just stonewalled everything? Please note that my exposure to loops has been significantly reduced and since Monday I stopped listening to loops. I’m on a washout to recover completely first, as I’m still feeling tired.

Why I’m doing this question? To understand if with this long recon period I have just been wasting my time, or if my mind has been doing precious work, which will lead to a bloom soon. It doesn’t seem to me I was trying to escape something (but I’m open to ear your ideas and change my opinion if you convince me).

I hope I was clear this time.

Take care

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#31

As long as you’re alive, your mind and body are always in action. It may be more or less focused, more or less planned, more or less conscious and intention-driven, and so on. But there’s always action. And so there’s always at least something for the subliminal to work with.

For example, each night as we sleep, our minds continue to process questions, experiences, and traumas. Our minds are still active even when our conscious intentionality is largely offline (or at least disengaged from the external world).

On the other hand, making the right conscious choices and taking the right intentional actions can support, compound, and amplify the effects of your subs. (This includes the action of ‘letting go’ sometimes. It’s possible to give a growing plant so much water that it gets drowned. Balance is key.)

Sleeping is definitely a possible response to the heavy internal work being done by the sub. If it’s happening so much that it’s disruptive or disturbing, then you’ll want to decrease the loop lengths.

Yes, your mind is doing precious work during the recon period. Provided that you are not over-exposing and flooding it with too much input.

On the other hand, nowadays the recon cycle is dramatically improved. And it’s much less likely for us to experience disruptive recon sensations. Still happens though sometimes because of whatever growth the mind is working on. Please remember the healthy responses to recon and use them as needed.

(By the way, it seems that you were taking my previous statements too literally and personally. If I describe a general principle that does not automatically mean that I am saying it applies precisely and specifically to you. My aim is, rather, to elucidate a mechanic or a dynamic of how things work. I’m hoping that you can take such ideas, refine them as needed, and then apply them to your own situation by means of your own judgment and experiences. Please take my comments in that spirit.)

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