Yes.
There’s a reason that Milton Erickson is considered so wise. Many reasons.
It is a good friend. And one with capacities, insights, and resources beyond our imaginations. Taking the time to develop a good relationship with it is a very small price to pay for the treasures it gives us in return.
We need to remember that anger is a defense mechanism at work activated when our survival gets imperiled, therefore, it can be a symptom that our mind is using its innate defensive mechanisms against the stimuli (the scripting).
Upon my long-term usage of subliminals, experimenting, experiencing, observation and introspection I assume that recon is bad (adverse to the execution and integration, therefore, diminishing our results) and we should avoid it or at least minimize it as much as we can. Why? Because reconciliation diminishes our immediate results then why should we believe it’s neutral to our long-term results? On top of that, our long-term results are built upon our immediate results, that is the results we get on a daily basis.
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Another thing is, I would get amazing results on one of the ZP prototypes immediately and they were consistent and now those immediate and strong results occur only when I start listening to a certain sub. They call in “the trailer effect” but it seems to me this is how the program works when you’re not overexposed (yet) and there’s no recon whatsoever (yet) and basically this is how it should affect you all the time provided you don’t get overexposed and you keep the recon at bay.
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On the other hand, it may be that recon covers up most of the shifts that have occurred in you and they surface only when you’re done reconciling. Yet still, it looks like the safer route (the most beneficial - short-term and long-term) is to stick to benefiting from the immediate results, avoiding overexposure and minimizing the recon.
My question is if we get a reconciliation of the kind that you have to be in the couch all day (what I’m going through right now), or doing just some small tasks because we are very tired, then is there any good part of it? Isn’t this kind of strong reconciliation one that rejects the stimulus (stonewalling), or is the brain processing and learning (leading to a bloom in a few days)?
I’m not sure about the second hypothesis, because with this kind of recon, I’m not able to take action, and I’m not sure if the brain can learn some things without taking action, like healing from trauma with Love Bomb.
Unless you’re truly and deeply inspired and compelled to delve into this topic, I’d say the following is enough:
I am truly and deeply inspired and compelled to delve into this topic.
Why wouldn’t I?
That’s the plan
Today I’m too tired and it might be bad for me.
I’m also journaling and introspecting my dreams about love and power.
Because sometimes it really is time to study and investigate 9000 pages on the theory and nature of fire;
Other times?
What you really need’s just a bucket of water.
And why do people study theory?
You don’t have to answer…
I myself study theory. It’s probably my greater tendency.
But I find it very helpful to ‘take the piss’ out of my discursive, cognizing mind on a regular basis.
There are lots of good reasons to study theory. Not the least of which is that it (potentially) helps you to produce great resources, frameworks, and tools like the ones on offer right here at Sub Club. Saint and Fire have had to learn about how a great many different moving parts fit together and work in a highly diverse set of use-cases.
Learning is good. But it’s also a very effective escape-mechanism. So approach it humbly and with as clear a head as possible, I say. Icarus, Pandora, Daedalus, Chiron; they all paid their prices.
Well, I’m not the person for you to ‘take the piss’!
Actually no one is, and you as one of the Forum Leaders should be giving the example.
I’m only replying to you now because in the ultra recon state I have been for the past 2 weeks, I didn’t have patience to reply sooner nor to read all of your reply.
I was feeling really down, I asked for help, I didn’t agree with your initial advice of taking action, as I was too tired, and do you see the reply you gave me?
Just now I read this part of your reply, and I can now see your logic. This should have been the answer you should have given me from the start. You think I was trying to escape. But I don’t understand why and form what I would be trying to escape. You have to be more specific.
So going back to my initial question and detailing it, if you or anyone wants to answer:
Does the healing from Love Bomb occur internally in our minds without taking action?
For example, sometimes I randomly remember past events of my life and I immediately cry, when I’m listening to music, watching TV, when I’m in bed before sleep, etc. For me this seems like healing without taking action.
So could this huge recon period, being on the couch many times and sleeping in the afternoons be the case that my mind has been processing internally lots of trauma and healing in an intensive way, or did my mind just stonewalled everything? Please note that my exposure to loops has been significantly reduced and since Monday I stopped listening to loops. I’m on a washout to recover completely first, as I’m still feeling tired.
Why I’m doing this question? To understand if with this long recon period I have just been wasting my time, or if my mind has been doing precious work, which will lead to a bloom soon. It doesn’t seem to me I was trying to escape something (but I’m open to ear your ideas and change my opinion if you convince me).
I hope I was clear this time.
Take care
As long as you’re alive, your mind and body are always in action. It may be more or less focused, more or less planned, more or less conscious and intention-driven, and so on. But there’s always action. And so there’s always at least something for the subliminal to work with.
For example, each night as we sleep, our minds continue to process questions, experiences, and traumas. Our minds are still active even when our conscious intentionality is largely offline (or at least disengaged from the external world).
On the other hand, making the right conscious choices and taking the right intentional actions can support, compound, and amplify the effects of your subs. (This includes the action of ‘letting go’ sometimes. It’s possible to give a growing plant so much water that it gets drowned. Balance is key.)
Sleeping is definitely a possible response to the heavy internal work being done by the sub. If it’s happening so much that it’s disruptive or disturbing, then you’ll want to decrease the loop lengths.
Yes, your mind is doing precious work during the recon period. Provided that you are not over-exposing and flooding it with too much input.
On the other hand, nowadays the recon cycle is dramatically improved. And it’s much less likely for us to experience disruptive recon sensations. Still happens though sometimes because of whatever growth the mind is working on. Please remember the healthy responses to recon and use them as needed.
(By the way, it seems that you were taking my previous statements too literally and personally. If I describe a general principle that does not automatically mean that I am saying it applies precisely and specifically to you. My aim is, rather, to elucidate a mechanic or a dynamic of how things work. I’m hoping that you can take such ideas, refine them as needed, and then apply them to your own situation by means of your own judgment and experiences. Please take my comments in that spirit.)
Thanks for your detailed answer. It feels good that I’ve not been wasting all of my time.
You’re welcome to describe these principles and that was not the problem.
Sorry, but I have to disagree.
The problem is that on your first reply you didn’t describe any general principle nor anything. You just dismissed my question, trowed a bad joke on it and I felt disrespected.
If this isn’t personal, what is personal?
If you’re talking about the bucket of water comment, I don’t think it was meant as a joke. Water is great for recon, it helps a lot. I acknowledge how you feel, however I am certain that Malkuth intended no disrespect, and from what I read above has not been dismissive. He’s put in quite a bit of effort in an attempt to help.
Don’t see anything wrong with what @Malkuth has said.
Sometimes you do need a “bucket of water” - to cut straight at the root of the problem, rather than trying to understand complex theory.
If your case is resolvable by doing the usual overexposure reducing methods and you aren’t interested in lengthy theory (which most of you can find on support, Masterclass or the forums), then that is exactly what you should do. Hence @Malkuth saying:
Now…
Yes, this can happen. But don’t rely on it - if your first thought is “cool, I’ll just sit around and wait to heal”, then you’re doing it wrong. Taking action and journaling are important; as is listening correctly, meaning no overexposure. Furthermore, be mindful of when it is the subliminal and when it’s simply something in your life, your state, your emotions, etc. Not everything is subliminal related.
Good. Definitely sounds like overexposure. Washout then start off slow with microloops.
There’s no wasted time. Even if it might seem like absolutely nothing is happening, deep work is. One simply lacks the necessary sensitivity to notice it.
What @Malkuth was talking about in escaping was that theory often is an escape from taking action. If you’re not taking action currently and rather are trying to do endless theory - the solution is simple. Pour the water bucket.
In your situation, the solution is simple. Lower exposure (as you currently are doing), start taking action, journal, introspect deeply on yourself and what makes you tick.
Simple, but not easy.
I see now.
My point is that just by his first reply using those words it’s impossible to understand that.
People don’t need buckets of water and others don’t need to ‘take the piss’ on them specially when they’re feeling down. People need to be understood, helped and treated with care. At least is what I do with others (and I acknowledge that he has done that in his subsequent posts here, and on his replies in my other threads).
Also, I was trying to see if resting and sleeping in the afternoons time was being wasted time (Malkuth and you both clarified that it is not). If we would have replied first with his reply where he mentioned that reading theory can be an escape mechanism, I would have understood. But when I read the part ‘I find it very useful to take the piss’ I stopped reading the rest.
So using his words ‘I was truly and deeply inspired’ when I made my initial question, but when that inspiration was questioned I felt my authenticity was being put in check. I don’t pretend, I show people who I really am, even before using the Love Bomb.
I hope you can understand now, if you can’t, one day you probably will… 
Anyway thanks for reminding me about the Masterclasses. According to what you said this is not the right moment to read it, but I plan on reading or at least taking a look at the ones I didn’t read yet, at some stage after I don’t feel tired anymore.
At some stage this recon was really disruptive. Anyway I never stopped doing exercise (I did less intense exercise and with lighter weights), doing some tasks while I was not sleeping in the afternoons, and introspecting and journaling offline.
Doing more than that would be pushing myself too hard.
I’m curious how does healing occur by taking action like going to the gym, specially when you’re feeling so tired that you sleep in the afternoons. Or only it does occur by talking to people? But maybe this is not the moment to learn about it, and maybe I should just keep taking action and journaling.
Wouldn’t cold showers help? (this is not a joke)
By writing these posts on this thread I already figured some things out that make me tick.
What should I do with the things I wrote down (specially the ones that make me tick)? Or will the subliminals work on that together with my subconscious?
Misunderstandings aside, thanks for your and @Malkuth help. And I hope one day we all can become good friends.
Malkuth was referring to his own habit of overanalyzing things. When he mentioned ‘taking the piss,’ he meant that he finds it useful to humorously critique his own overthinking mind. There seems to be a misunderstanding, possibly due to language differences or the way it was interpreted, but rest assured, he was not mocking you.
That is right.
Thank you.
Maybe I’m being pedantic, but it’s important for me to understand this.
So, what was he overanalysing?
I’m not sure, but you could try what works for him, and see if it helps you
Reconciliation is a blessing.
Once you have reconciled something, you have basically won.
Because once you have reconciled something, you are now immune to the emotions and triggers of that something.